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[XOGHunter246]

hmm yeah how is using potions abuse?? you may as well say buffing is too if you think using potion is abusing game.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 21 décembre 2009 - 10:15 .

[philippe willaume]

Hello

I though that carta girl was the hardest a 2h fighter, dog leliana and morrigan.



Followed by the forge master and his bloody arrow of slaying, even on 4 vs. one he was had as nail.



After that brakan or the golem whose name escapes me was quite hard fight but nothing compared to those two fights



The carta girl was quite hard because, the sheer number of people and their unwillingness to follow you and they are quite wide spread so blizzard. A bit like the denerim thieves rings when they all stun you with arrows and swarm you when you do not have blizzard/fireball/walking nightmare yet.



I though potion were not badly managed you are getting a good **** when you use them in battle which is fair enough

phil

[KariTR]

Creature 1 wrote...

KariTR wrote...

WillieStyle wrote...

Original182 wrote...

Cauthrien at Arl Howe's place.

This.
I can't believe this isn't everyone's answer.
Are there really people that found this fight easier than Branka?

You dont have to fight Cauthrien at Arl Howe's place, it's completely optional** and actually balanced on the  nearly impossible for NPC to win side, in order for you to gain the Prison quest that follows.

**If you're roleplaying, there is no way you would risk the Queen's life by trying to fight an army that outnumbers you 10:1. Even if you would risk your own and your companions.

How does surrendering help the queen?  She's more likely to "slip away in the confusion" if there's actually some confusion going on.  I would expect if you surrendered she would be arrested, returned to her father, and disappeared. 

Ser Clauthrien at Arl Howe's--hardest by far. 

 
By provoking them into attack, one would assume the soldiers will kill all of your group including Anora (if youre role-playing and not meta-gaming at any rate).

Anyway, my point to willie is that as fighting Ser Cauthrien in that situation is an option (one BW seem determined to deter you from infact) and not a necessity, it probably explains why it isnt a more popular answer to the OP's question.

[WillieStyle]

BanditGR wrote...

Every single "tough" fight in the game (especially fights designed to overwhelm you with sheer numbers) has a real difficulty directly proportional to the number of mages in your party. The more, the easier that specific fight becomes due to a mage's certain spells, allowing him to completely dominate any battlefield.

That being said and after 3 playthroughs, Ser Cauthrien pre-Fort Drakon is definitely the "hardest" fight, especially if you decide to stay in the entrance room and not cheese the encounter by ccing via the corridors. In all honesty, everything else is simply a FAR CRY, challenge wise, especially on Nightmare. Even Gaxkang is pretty straightforward if you have a DPS oriented group without the "necessity" of 1(+) mage(s). Everything else can be beaten in a ton of creative (and not necessarily cheesy) ways, by whatever group combination, since you can always abuse resources (=potions).

This man speaks the truth.

[WillieStyle]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

All easy for me even on nightmare just some can be time consuming with certain classes. I think revenants are overrated and high dragons. Guess longest fight i had was with a high dragon. Ser cath is easy once you know how to draw her in other room alone. 

Why brag when you admit you cheesed the fight.
Bioware needs to learn the art of locking doors during boss encounters.
That way folks can't just kite the boss into Vael's room... ahem.

[KariTR]

finnwop wrote...

I suppose the battle I really had the oddest time is, the bounty hunters outside of the dwarf city. The archer, rogue, knight, mage and two hander LT.

They always seem to really pack some hurt, even in replays when I'm aware they're there

Thank gods it wasnt just me then. I was beginning to feel like a huge wuss

[fantasypisces]

On my first playthrough I sucked at the Broodmother. maybe it was group composition, I'm not sure, I also didn't know about the rocks. On all my other playthroughs I just stand people on the rocks, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have to and could still beat it, not sure why I struggled.



But other fights are the Spider Queen, the spiders and Emissary before the spider queen. And any time there are two lieutenant grade Emissaries in one fight.

[fantasypisces]

Oh, I also forgot about the bounty hunter outside of Orzammar, but generally when I go there I am level 7 and trying to get key to the city, when those mobs are all level 10.

[keesio74]

BanditGR wrote...

That being said and after 3 playthroughs, Ser Cauthrien pre-Fort Drakon is definitely the "hardest" fight, especially if you decide to stay in the entrance room and not cheese the encounter by ccing via the corridors.

Why is this "cheese"? Strategic placement of troops using the terrain is fair as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise why have terrain at all? It is the bad AI where Cauthrien chases you with just two men and the rest stay back. But retreating back to terrain that gives you an advantage is not cheese.

[Estelindis]

The High Dragon was pretty tough; ditto Branka and the Broodmother. Each time I took them down on my first playthrough, there was only one character standing at the end (Wynne with the dragon, my Warden with the other two.)  If you decide to fight Cauthrien, she's pretty tough too - but I didn't even consider than option on my first playthrough (my character turned herself in).  The poster who said that Cauthrien should be made a Warden was right...  Unless the fury!  She could handle the Blight by herself.  ;-)

The Redcliffe Castle Revenant, though, was the only time I had to reload more than ten times. (I didn't realise you could open the gates to get help.) I had Morrigan, Dog, and Alistair, but we were all quite low level so I hadn't yet really custom-specced Morri or Ali yet. No CoC, no Shield Wall, etc. When I finally beat it, my character had taken her first injury in battle - up to then I always reloaded if she died - and after that I just decided to roll with PC deaths. I was not going to play that battle again! By now, having gotten much more familiar with the game, it would be no problem. (Just like the first big battle on [a certain planet where you pick up a party member] in ME had me reloading for hours, but on my second playthrough I breezed through it in no time.) Games have learning curves... And DA:O is tougher than average, I think. But it's nice to have a real challenge! :-)

On the other hand...  I thought the Archdemon was much too easy.  Defeated it first time without losing a single party member.  That was quite surprising to me!

Modifié par Estelindis, 21 décembre 2009 - 11:10 .

[CognitiveDissonant]

keesio74 wrote...

BanditGR wrote...

That being said and after 3 playthroughs, Ser Cauthrien pre-Fort Drakon is definitely the "hardest" fight, especially if you decide to stay in the entrance room and not cheese the encounter by ccing via the corridors.

Why is this "cheese"? Strategic placement of troops using the terrain is fair as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise why have terrain at all? It is the bad AI where Cauthrien chases you with just two men and the rest stay back. But retreating back to terrain that gives you an advantage is not cheese.

I think he agrees that it is bad AI. Most people feel that this is a situation that causes the AI to make a ridiculous decision and decreases the difficulty of the encounter in a way that was not intended. Knowingly benefitting from accidental errors is considered cheese by many people.

[Ravenfeeder]

First time through (as S+S warrior) - Branka. The only time I turned the difficulty down to get through something. It didn't help that Shale was using a damge type that was totally resisted by the golems.... (I only realised that half-way through the fight I won - DOH!)



Other really hard stuff first time through:

Revenants - any and all, but they've been easy second time through, Misdirection Hex ftw.

Fort Drakon gateway - very tough, elves were wusses, mages useless, dwarves won it for me.

Spider Queen - took a few goes - I'd love to see an arachnaphobe's reaction to that one.

The middle back alley bandits - archers with area stuns just killed me - they weren't in one group so I couldn't just AoE them.

The final team in the Provings - took several goes there, not enough healing on hand.

[Jester8183]

For my first play through it was: Branka, Kolgrim and Ser Cauthrien. I totally had to cheese Branka and the Kolgrim fights (got them to chase one of my charaters while the other three took down their lackeys). And I just went with capture after my first 5 Fails in the Ser Cauthrien fight.



On the other hand I was surprised how easy the Flemeth fight was... though by that time I did have Wynne in my party as the dedicated healer instead of Morrigan as a CC.

[Time4Tiddy]

thewayofblackbelt wrote...

Branka was actually easy for me so I have no idea why everyone thinks shes so tough. I killed a few golems (not all) and then got her. CC spells help alot and are super effective against the golems themselves.

My trouble with Branka was that she resisted every spell I cast and kept coming for my mage first so I had no heals.  When I finally beat her, it was just equipping everyone with ranged weapons and just having my mage run away from her for the entire fight while she was sniped down by the rest.  It was completely ridiculous.  She didn't once change to attack another party member, at least not when I had my mage up.

[Titius.Vibius]

Gaxkang, Brood mother, Flemeth the dragon, the high dragon, and the archdemon. Also with Morrigan, she's been a b*tch after we broke up only referring to me as a greywarden.

[Time4Tiddy]

WillieStyle wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

All easy for me even on nightmare just some can be time consuming with certain classes. I think revenants are overrated and high dragons. Guess longest fight i had was with a high dragon. Ser cath is easy once you know how to draw her in other room alone. 

Why brag when you admit you cheesed the fight.
Bioware needs to learn the art of locking doors during boss encounters.
That way folks can't just kite the boss into Vael's room... ahem.

Hah - my second playthrough as a rogue, I maxed stealth and traps and through I would draw the carta boss and her never ending stream of stealthed yellow rogues out into the hall.  I laid down claw trap after claw trap followed by grease trap and a couple big shrapnel traps.  Then the door locked and I was trapped in the room with her and all my traps outside in the hall.  Oops!

[Gradlein]

Hardest for me were the revenants in Brecilian Forest and the old hermit in the same area. My characters were only around level 7 or 8 since I was trying to get Arcane Warrior as early as possible.

[Alamadis]

The only fights I had any legitimate trouble with were the revenants. The one in redcliffe was easy as I simply shattered it, but the vials/forest ones actually involved attention to health/mana and positioning. It didn't help that I used 3 melee characters in my main group which resulted in the cleave being a rather large problem if I wasn't careful. They weren't nearly as bad late game, but they were still impressive combatants.

[3nfan7]

The High Dragon when i was prolly around lvl 13 or something got it after some tryes with Sten Alistair Mine (Warrior 2w) and Wynne.

Revenant in random encounter in Denerim (mostly lacking of hit and suffering the extra debuff caused by his aura).

In those fights i used basically every single buff i could from items,spells or abilities; used poisons traps and anything that come extra from outside my party.

That was really competitive and fun.

Need to mention that i accomplished every fight without any of my party member falling in battle,to give that extra flavour of self-imposed challenge.

From that moment i just melted down every other boss (probably was because of good gear / skill selection) but i feel like that i need to take it to another level

[brownstudies]

The blood mages in Denerim hand me my arse every single time. You go into a room and there's three of them with a host of warriors and archers....the first time I managed to complete that sidequest my entire party had fallen and it was just my mage PC on her own, slugging lyrium like crazy and casting as many paralysis-style spells as she could

[jtdragon100]

mine was the brood mother, which i ironically found harder than the arch demon and flemeth

[Toranilor]

For me it would have to be gaxkang, only because in his Arcane Horror form he has the annoying ability to cast aoe drain and regenerate health. Enough to cause him to change back into a renevant, leading to the annoying chain of Renevant + DPS = Arcane Horror, + AOE Drain = Renevant, + DPS = Arcane Horror etc.



Had to lower difficulty to hard and just spam everything my characters had.

[XOGHunter246]

WillieStyle wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

All easy for me even on nightmare just some can be time consuming with certain classes. I think revenants are overrated and high dragons. Guess longest fight i had was with a high dragon. Ser cath is easy once you know how to draw her in other room alone. 

Why brag when you admit you cheesed the fight.
Bioware needs to learn the art of locking doors during boss encounters.
That way folks can't just kite the boss into Vael's room... ahem.

Well  I don't get people saying things like using potions or this or that is abusing as that room is clearly empty meaning meant to be used . By all means lock the door In fact i would love them to lock the door, I could still find a way to do that part anyways it not like impossible with right group. I was just saying i found the game easy sorry if you think it's bragging saying i found the  game easy can't help if a game is easy for me Bioware should make the game harder or at least the AI smarter.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 22 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[Balthazars55]

The Broodmother with Morrigan, Oghren, Shale and myself (sword and shield warrior) was both the longest and the toughest fight so far. Spammed the most potions for that one as well, and it didn't help that I lost track of Oghren about half-way through, allowing him to get TKOed.



It was lots of fun though, very intense!

[Sparhawk]

The fights I hated the most were the "random" encounters - especially those early in the game. I've only gone through the game once so far, but the fight that I had to reload the most on was random encounter against some darkspawn that Wynne sort of faints on when it is done. That one must have been 10 reloads for me.