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[JoltDealer]

 I don't want to seem impatient, but to use another's words, "Dragon Age 3 is the worst kept secret in gaming today."  We all know it's happening and we've been getting tidbits of info for quite some time now.  Now maybe this is selfish, but I'd just like DA3 to be officially announced already.  With the Mass Effect series being effectively done for now, there isn't much for me to look forward to in the world of gaming anymore.

If Bioware is seriously looking for fan feedback to help create the next Dragon Age game, why not, at the very least, open up a proper DA3 section of the forum dedicated to this purpose.  It would be much more helpful than having them in the DA2 forums, where most people would rather complain about how awful the last game was instead of assuring that the next game is better. 

Modifié par Crimson Sound, 11 août 2012 - 05:45 .

[M-Taylor]

The longer the game has in development, the better its chances. I'm hoping it won't be announced in any way shape or form for atleast another few months.

[JoltDealer]

Very good point and agreed. I'm just growing very tired of all this, "So we're not saying we are, but if we were making DA3, what would you like to see?" business. I understand that when you announce a game you need to have certain things already prepared to show off, but by that point its already too late. Why not have an announcement of sorts now, make a dedicated area of the forum where fans can help Bioware like they wanted, and do a proper reveal later?

I'd rather they announce an largely incomplete game that's open to change than what we got at Dragon Age 2's announcement. In that instance, when we fans wished to give feedback or make suggestions, we were told it was too late to implement those kinds of changes.

I like what I've heard regarding DA3, especially the new way companion armor works. I just want to make sure that these sorts of pleasant developments and cooperation with fans continues.

[areuexperienced]

Announcing anything that's not concrete would just send the BSN on a spree of speculation, forming a vague, but not necessarily correct idea of what the game'd be like. Then when the game *is* announced and the speculations don't live up to the real deal, you'll get hordes of disgruntled forumers, crying how BioWare is now just a puppet of EA and all the usual drivel and how the developers ruined their lives, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe I'm just cynical?

[areuexperienced]

Also, plotholes and artistic integrity!

[Zeroth Angel]

M-Taylor wrote...

The longer the game has in development, the better its chances. I'm hoping it won't be announced in any way shape or form for atleast another few months.

Pretty much this.

[chuckwells62]

Spree of speculation. Vague idea of what an unannounced game'd be like. Hordes of disgruntled forumers. Usual drivel. Developers ruining lives, etc, etc, etc.

Cynical? Not!

That sounds like an average day visiting BSN.

[Morty Smith]

Here, I announce the game for you:

DA 3 is comming.

It will have stuff in it. And lines. And awkward fully-clothed romance-scenes to market it in the US.

Are we happy now?

Modifié par Kroitz, 07 août 2012 - 04:00 .

[themikefest]

don't know when they will announce the game
I believe the game will come out March 2014 my opinion

[JasonPogo]

Yeah let them take their time. We know its in the works who cares if they make it official or not. Also like other peoe have said if Bioware showed us ANYTHING and then later changed it or cut it out of the game the forums would explode with "Bioware is a bunch of liers!! They are so lazy to just cut that!!! And blah blah blah...."

PS I am self aware to the point that I can say I would most likely be one of those people ****ing too....

Modifié par JasonPogo, 07 août 2012 - 04:54 .

[Vox Draco]

chuckwells62 wrote...
Spree of speculation. Vague idea of what an unannounced game'd be like. Hordes of disgruntled forumers. Usual drivel. Developers ruining lives, etc, etc, etc.

Cynical? Not!

That sounds like an average day visiting BSN.

I really would like to see DA3 officially announced and an official forum opened for discussion. I am a cynical person, even more so since Bioware totally ripped my heart out with Mass Effect 3. I still feel like I am slowly bleeding out in some pile of rubble, beaten and abandoned and ... hey? So the ME3 endings is the most interactive experience ever, to make us feel like the protagonist!?

Anyway, an official forum for DA3 is also a chance for Bioware and their PR-department. You know, some developers like to discuss with the fans, and lo and behold, not all fans act like stupid morons accusing the devs of everything that went wrong since the fire got invented...

In fact Allan Schumacher from the DA-team has earned quite some positive reputation during the ME-riots as a calm and interested participant in many discussions. that's what many fans really would love to see, constructive discussions about elements of the game, prior and past release...

And really, all they need to do anyway with DA3 is to make it end with an epic battle and a chance of a nice understandable happy end for the protagonist, to keep any flames and dissapointment at a minimum...

Modifié par Vox Draco, 07 août 2012 - 05:20 .

[JasonPogo]

Yeah but if you were around the DA boards back before DA2 hit stores the devs were very chatty with us. You always had the ****y fans but most people were in their corner kissing their butts. Now most fans just want a chance to tell them personaly how much they hate the work they do. I don't blame most of the devs for not posting alot anymore. They need to win back allot of good faith before the BSN is a safe and friendly place for them.

[Vox Draco]

Maybe I am a bit naive now. But then if they never get into dialogue anymore with the fans, or only when it is safe that everyone will kiss their arses...then maybe they should look for a different job?

They create a product and want to sell it. Not only just one product, but many, many more. A strong fanbase equals strong sales of your products, so they should really get over themselves and interact again with the fans.

Sure, nobody wants jerks to insult you, but I also work in a job when customers sometimes freak out. I endure their complaints, sometimes even insults (up to a certain point) and try to please them so they stay customers. If I would refuse to talk to our customers any longer just because I am afraid of getting insulted/into heated debates my bosses would fire me?

[babymoon]

I don't need another rushed BW game, so I'm good.

We all know it's happening anyways.

[Morty Smith]

Vox Draco wrote...

Maybe I am a bit naive now. But then if they never get into dialogue anymore with the fans, or only when it is safe that everyone will kiss their arses...then maybe they should look for a different job?

They create a product and want to sell it. Not only just one product, but many, many more. A strong fanbase equals strong sales of your products, so they should really get over themselves and interact again with the fans.

Sure, nobody wants jerks to insult you, but I also work in a job when customers sometimes freak out. I endure their complaints, sometimes even insults (up to a certain point) and try to please them so they stay customers. If I would refuse to talk to our customers any longer just because I am afraid of getting insulted/into heated debates my bosses would fire me?

They seem to play the offended party lately.

Up until now every news-outlet kissed their behind and praised them as the best RPG developer in recent gaming history. And now that they are confronted with critique and enraged customers they behave like everyone just does not understand them. On occasion they throw around words like unconstructive criticism to betitle opinions they don´t like or bitter honesty they can´t swallow.

Their silence is a sign of professional behaviour, the offended kind.

Modifié par Kroitz, 07 août 2012 - 08:54 .

[JoltDealer]

Kroitz wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

Maybe I am a bit naive now. But then if they never get into dialogue anymore with the fans, or only when it is safe that everyone will kiss their arses...then maybe they should look for a different job?

They create a product and want to sell it. Not only just one product, but many, many more. A strong fanbase equals strong sales of your products, so they should really get over themselves and interact again with the fans.

Sure, nobody wants jerks to insult you, but I also work in a job when customers sometimes freak out. I endure their complaints, sometimes even insults (up to a certain point) and try to please them so they stay customers. If I would refuse to talk to our customers any longer just because I am afraid of getting insulted/into heated debates my bosses would fire me?

They seem to play the offended party lately.

Up until now every news-outlet kissed their behind and praised them as the best RPG developer in recent gaming history. And now that they are confronted with critique and enraged customers they behave like everyone just does not understand them. On occasion they throw around words like unconstructive criticism to betitle opinions they don´t like or bitter honesty they can´t swallow.

Their silence is a sign of professional behaviour, the offended kind.

Bioware is one of the best RPG developers in recent history.  Before Mass Effect, I knew more people who played JRPG's like Final Fantasy or the like than any Western RPG.  Hell even back then, the best RPG's around were KOTOR and Baldurs Gate.  Now you can argue that Bioware doesn't make the same quality games as before, but that's a matter of opinion that can be argued either way.  Now was that criticism deserved?  Between the entirety of DA2 and ME3's ending, I would say yes.  Was there an gross overreaction by the fans?  I'd say yes, but many of the fans in question would say it's justified.  The fact is, you can't jump into a dialogue and say, "Everything in your game is abhorrent piece of thematically revolting garbage and you are a mere puppet of your publisher."  According to Dictionary.com, constructive criticism is defined as criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions.  Most of the opinions and bitter honesty offered in the various threads, were not as such.  They were merely fans expressing their unhappiness, being more likely to demand Bioware admit how much EA had corrupted them instead of offering any kind of solution.  Not to say I don't understand your sentiment, but Bioware had their reasons for reacting the way they did.

Now regardless of what has happened in the past, Bioware is making a conscious effort to ensure that Dragon Age 3 does not end up the same way.  Vox Draco had the right idea.  The whole reason I want DA3 announced in some official manner is so that Bioware and the fans can open up a proper dialogue, offering actual constructive criticism to help make DA3 the game that fans want.  I mean, have you seen their proposed new system for companion armor?  It is a genius solution that gives players the level of party customization they desire while keeping Bioware's desire to give companions unique appearances.  Having them open a DA3 forum this early in the development process, will allow Bioware to throw out ideas for potential gameplay and allow fans to give ideas on how to improve or replace it.  This sort of feedback is useless after a game has been announced since most of the gameplay is already set in stone and would be very expensive to go back and change.

[jbrand2002uk]

TBH I dont blame them for keeping quiet alot of fans lately have shown what a fickle, ungrateful bunch of whingers they have become and lets be honest there are far to many "armchair developers" who like to believe they know better than the guys and girls who have been doing this job for many years.

Fans must also remember that buying a product does not mean that the company is required to listen to their demands and comply with them, actually the fans should be grateful that the employees make time to post on the forums and engage with the fans there are many companies who dont even bother to do that at all.

Fans may not like the direction DA2 went however since as they don't own the IP rights its not their call to make,something some fans seem to easily forget when they come waging in with their "demands". At the end of the day its BW's call and if you dont like it well then you know where the door is don't let it hit you on the way out

[JoltDealer]

Well like I said, Bioware has shown a genuine intention to not repeat the past. I'm just saying, we do it in an official forum where you don't have to sift through the various lingering complaints about Dragon Age 2. Sure, it wasn't Origins, but it was still a good game for the most part. Some fans are just a bunch of ungrateful girls who got a car for their sweet sixteen. They're upset that Daddy didn't give them the Porche they wanted despite the brand new Honda in the driveway.

What bothers me the most is that there is an argument about whether or not video games are art, yet most fans don't respect artistic integrity. Even if you don't consider games art, then think about it as a product. If you aren't satisfied with a product you don't ask the manufacturer to change it, you return it. What Bioware did with ME3's ending was completely unprecedented and unnecessary. They didn't have to do anything whatsoever, but they did because they care about their fans. What happened when they did? People still complained and claimed it wasn't goo enough.

Bioware wants to put this behind them and I think the fans should too. DA3 is the perfect opportunity. I'm saying, let's make it official and do it right. Have a DA3 Discussion Forum and make the purpose of those forums clear. Discuss possible gameplay and story ideas only. If someone takes advantage and instead makes an irrelevant topic about how bad DA2 was, offering no criticism, LOCKDOWN.

[The Night Haunter]

areuexperienced wrote...

Announcing anything that's not concrete would just send the BSN on a spree of speculation, forming a vague, but not necessarily correct idea of what the game'd be like. Then when the game *is* announced and the speculations don't live up to the real deal, you'll get hordes of disgruntled forumers, crying how BioWare is now just a puppet of EA and all the usual drivel and how the developers ruined their lives, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe I'm just cynical?

You get horde's of disgruntled forum-goers no mater what. People just love to be angry so no matter what happens and when there will be people crying bloody murder. But i do want a DA3 forum just to have these discussions somewhere other than where we are supposed to be discussing DA2 lol

[JoltDealer]

Yeah, it's tough to give actual feedback to Bioware regarding current ideas when you have to go through a forum full of DA2 topics. There 's only a few DA3 threads in there...

[DPSSOC]

Kroitz wrote...

Here, I announce the game for you:

DA 3 is comming.

It will have stuff in it. And lines. And awkward fully-clothed romance-scenes to market it in the US.

Are we happy now?

Can we drop the last bit?  Or maybe have a special version produced just for sale in the US.  They can call it DA3 Puritan Edition and market it like a Collector's Edition with bonus DLC that only they get.

[Dessalines]

DPSSOC wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

Here, I announce the game for you:

DA 3 is comming.

It will have stuff in it. And lines. And awkward fully-clothed romance-scenes to market it in the US.

Are we happy now?

Can we drop the last bit?  Or maybe have a special version produced just for sale in the US.  They can call it DA3 Puritan Edition and market it like a Collector's Edition with bonus DLC that only they get.

Lol, I am a proud American, and that is still funny.

[Dessalines]

How long does it take to code a game, record the voice acting, and beta test the game? I am thinking that we will have some major news in Jan or Feb next year.

[The Night Haunter]

Dessalines wrote...

How long does it take to code a game, record the voice acting, and beta test the game? I am thinking that we will have some major news in Jan or Feb next year.

Tp give you an idea: DAO was announced in 2004 and released in 2009. Much work went on before it was even announced also. So it really depends on the size of the team working on it. DA originally had a small team while they built the engine and the writers started solidifing the backstory and general themes.

So while DA3 has all that story established it could still take a long time if Bioware wants a new engine for DA3. If they use an existing engine and modify it that would substantially cut down on development time, but it would still be years. (Hopefully at least 2, I want a good game!)

[schalafi]

Does anyone actually know how long DA2 was in production? I've heard everything from 2 yrs to 16 mos.