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[T0paze]

I seem to remember that leader of the Legion of the Dead is quite dark.

Kardol???

He's not dark at all. Maybe his beard and tattooed forehead fooled you. See for yourself:

http://dragonage.wik...:NPC-Kardol.jpg

Modifié par T0paze, 21 décembre 2009 - 07:31 .

[Asylumer]

Dark83 wrote...

Asylumer wrote...

On my latest run-through I noticed a
few -- At least one of the proving fighters and the guy who will buy
the Shaperete book from you.

There's a difference between being black (facial structure) and just dark skinned. There's even some East/Southeast Asians that are darker than some black people.
Dwarves all look like dwarves - facial structure, you know?

Given your specifications, it would be impossible to create a "black" dwarf no matter what you do, because they will always possess a trait that doesn't fit with common stereotypes of what constitutes a "black" race.

Black (person) itself is scientifically inane term. The common understanding of "black" tends to focus primarily on skin-color and then on other traits common to the African origin stererotypes. Even those who's ancestors have bred amongst the "white" (or whatever) populations are considered "black" only due to their skin-color.

I went with a quick response that kept in mind the common usage. So there are "black" dwarves in Orzammar in that they have a dark skin color -- I assumed the poster meant it as such.

[Prowler]

It's even funnier having a gray haired, wrinkled face human noble and being called Pup by everyone.

[Nagisaj]

Perhaps Elanor Cousland has Chasind servants that entertain her >_> when Bryce is away. They are fairly dark skinned people people.

[Baalzie]

IF people get to het up about it I have NO doubt that a modder out there will make a mod that makes The Couslands black... Darkskinned, african-style features or whatnot, asian and eskimo and American Indian, Aboriginese, Maori, Pal'auan, Oceanic, etc etc...

If enough people from said ethnicities play it and give a damn he/she will, otherwise it doesn't seem important enough does it? ^^

If noone of all modders do that then it can't be seen as a big enough issue I think...

Ahwell, my 3cents..

[Dark83]

What the heck is with the "Chasind is black/dark" concept floating around the forums?

"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either. The two Chasind that may or may not have stolen things are at best, darkly tanned. (In fact, their skin tone looks a lot like my Chinese friend after a summer doing Dragon Boat.)

Modifié par Dark83, 21 décembre 2009 - 08:16 .

[westiex9]

Dark83 wrote...

What the heck is with the "Chasind is black/dark" concept floating around the forums?

"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either. The two Chasind that may or may not have stolen things are at best, darkly tanned. (In fact, their skin tone looks a lot like my Chinese friend after a summer doing Dragon Boat.)

I don't think allistair was reffering to her skin colour, i reckon he was more implying that her clothing and wild appearance looked chasind.

[Dark83]

westiex9 wrote...

Dark83 wrote...

What the heck is with the "Chasind is black/dark" concept floating around the forums?

"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either. The two Chasind that may or may not have stolen things are at best, darkly tanned. (In fact, their skin tone looks a lot like my Chinese friend after a summer doing Dragon Boat.)

I don't think allistair was reffering to her skin colour, i reckon he was more implying that her clothing and wild appearance looked chasind.

A white man dressing as a black dude "keeping it real dawg" isn't going to be called black (though he will be mocked). Regardless, there is zero indication that the Chasind is black.

That view also doesn't corrolate with the crazy Chasind, who is as fair skinned as Morrigan is. Not to mention the Chasind themselves are all wearing perfectly normal leather armor.

Note also that Alistair says "Chasind" while Morrigan says "barbarians". Why would a cowboy say "Sioux" as opposed to "Indian", unless said native looks Sioux?

Modifié par Dark83, 21 décembre 2009 - 09:09 .

[Reader81]

westiex9 wrote...

Dark83 wrote...

What the heck is with the "Chasind is black/dark" concept floating around the forums?

"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either. The two Chasind that may or may not have stolen things are at best, darkly tanned. (In fact, their skin tone looks a lot like my Chinese friend after a summer doing Dragon Boat.)

I don't think allistair was reffering to her skin colour, i reckon he was more implying that her clothing and wild appearance looked chasind.

I agree, look at her cloth, it's not a civil city cloth.

Modifié par Reader81, 21 décembre 2009 - 09:08 .

[Tirigon]

Zenon wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

The thing is that there are very few dark-skinned people in Ferelden. But you still got the choice to play as a colored person because otherwise it would probably be criticised as racist.It´s political correctness that even a colored person can become King / queen.

Well, maybe the dark skinned human is half Qunari?

Your statement sounds a bit like Bioware had to introduce various shades of complexion for the sake of avoiding critizism or being marked racist? I strongly disagree with this statement. Especially the last sentence!

First of all: It is a fantasy game, and the player should play a character looking the way the player likes. I, being "white male human" myself, enjoyed creating a dark tanned female dwarf character for example.

Oh, and don't you forget pointing out about a colored person being able to become king... The probably most powerful individual in the world today is a "colored" person: The President of the United States of America. Just for the record.

A half Qunari as Fereldan Noble? I doubt it...
Well, I didnt mean this as criticism, I think it´s a good thing to have your char customisable as much as possible, though I personally prefer playing as white elf. It´s just my theory why they introduced it, it may or may not be true.

[Aedan_Cousland]

The Chasind might not be 'black' but for the most part they are dark-skinned in game. The two Chasind 'thieves' in Lothering are dark-skinned, as is the Chasind prostitute in The Pearl.  The dark-skinned Chasind don't be appear African, but they don't appear Northern European either. They look bi-racial, or perhaps Indian or Middle-Eastern.

Perhaps the light skinned Chasind in Lothering was mixed whereas the other three are entirely or mostly Chasind ? The Chasind are on the border with Ferelden, so some mixing between the two ethnic groups wouldn't be all that uncommon in border areas on both sides. There are also seemed like there were more dark-skinned people in Lothering  than there were in Redcliffe or Denerim, but who otherwise appeared to have been culturally Ferelden rather than Chasind. Perhaps they were from the Lothering area originally but their ancestors had mixed with the Chasind as well?

[Realmzmaster]

Actually, there are dark skinned bandits in Denerim in the back alleys. But who really cares? You are role playing your character. Bioware simply allows you to create a character you want to play including the color of skin. If you want to create a backstory that your character is adopted or mom was fooling around on trips without her husband or dallying while he was away do so. It could be dad was fooling around and brought back a son to have his wife raise. It is a CRPG run with it.

Maybe Bioaware should have had the human noble family match the character's skin color. But does it really matter?

[Indraugnir Caledor]

As other posters have pointed out the reason BioWare put the ability to change skin colouration along with the other options is so that players can customise their character to appear however they wish

and as for this:-

Zenon wrote...

Oh, and don't you forget pointing out about a colored person being able to become king... The probably most powerful individual in the world today is a "colored" person: The President of the United States of America. Just for the record.

He isn't the most powerful person in the world, he is just the elected leader of a single country, one that seems to have an over-inflated sence of its own place in the grand scheme of things.

There is another who has a bit more power than him and that is Bill Gates of Microsoft, the reason a say that is when you install any of the Windows os, you have to 'sign' a lisence agreement that allows you to make use of 'his' product, but only as long as he allows or some such.
Unless I'm mistaken about the whole Microsoft bit if so then sorry.

[Gold Dragon]

Dark83 wrote...
"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either.

Actually, Morrigan IS dark.  Just take a look at that ritual.

A little black magic never hurt no one,eh?<_<

[Indraugnir Caledor]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Dark83 wrote...
"She looks Chasind" Morrigan is neither black nor dark, and the crazy Chasind is neither black nor dark either.

Actually, Morrigan IS dark.  Just take a look at that ritual.

A little black magic never hurt no one,eh?<_<

Actually she is using 'Blue Magic' and not the Final Fantasy type either.

[Zenon]

@Tirigon:



Basically you and the other posters have a point in saying, that storywise certain type of characters look more fitting into a certain origin. In fact I feel it makes even some sense for certain origins to be preferably played with a certain class. Most origins seem to fit best with a certain phenotype of character. Those, which give quite a bit freedom are probably the Mage, Dwarf commoner, City Elf, and Dalish origin. The mage seems not to be too old, since Jowan, who looks fairly young, claims he was about a year longer in the Circle than you. The Dwarf commoner (typically would have a tattoo), and City Elf are pretty much open, since one of the parents is unknown. The Dalish Elf origin has no introduced parents if I remember correctly while the Dwarf Noble typically should be older than the younger brother with generally no tattoo -- as this would be very uncommon as far as I know. The human noble actually seems most restricted unless you imagine being an adopted child.



About class choice from a RP point of view (in my opinion):



Human Noble fits warrior better than rogue,

Dwarf Noble fits warrior better than rogue as well,

City Elf pretty much both, even though my favourite is (female) rogue,

Dalish Elf fits mostly a Ranger spec, which means rogue fits best,

Dwarf Commoner could be both, but I'd favor rogue as it is about getting by with criminal activities.



Ok, I also think it would be extremely unlikely to have someone with Qunari blood being adopted by the Couslands, but perhaps that would be one of the few options on how some human could look "black" at all.





@Indraugnir Caledor:



As for the question if the president of the USA is among the most powerful persons in the world today it probably depends also on how you define power. I didn't say the absolutely most powerful, but among the most powerful. As for comparing Bill Gates with Barack Obama in terms of power I feel this comparison doesn't work for me. Besides I can also run Linux and use my computer with modern software completely ignoring Microsoft. (Alas, I'd have to play DA:O with a PS3 then, wouldn't I? Sorry, but I like the PC version so much more... good for MS I guess.) Anyway, I think there's no need to discuss this further. My reply about Mr. Obama was just an answer to Tirigon's remark about Bioware being "politically correct" in allowing a colored person to become king... meaning to say that from my point of view this statement is quite awkward for me.

[Indraugnir Caledor]

@Zenon

My sincere apologies for either misquoting or misunderstanding you, also i think my example was also poorly chosen/thought out.
So again my deepest apologies.

[Estelindis]

I was kinda surprised that this was allowed to pass, to be honest. The NWN community lobbied Bioware for years and Get/Set Skin/Hair colour functions were eventually added to the game with a patch, which allows custom modules in NWN to easily set family of the PC as having same or similar hair and skin colours. Bioware knew that players and modders like this sort of thing... And so much DA code is very like NWN code! Why not appy it in DA?



...Actually, considering that the PC is cloned into a mirror version during the Gauntlet, shouldn't it already be possible to Get/Set skin and hair? (Though I seem to recall something similar happening in... Hordes of the Underdark(?)... before the aforementioned NWN patch. Okay, now I'm confused!)

[gauntz]

Fereldans are inspired by British Celts, Orlais being the French (and thus also the Normans who conquered the barbarian England, although England was technically already conquered.) Information from the game seems to suggest that the Chasind (and another seemingly more barbaric tribe) are the southern-most people of Thedas, and that below them is only a southern ice cap. There is nothing what so ever that suggests that there is anything even faintly related to black people or sub-saharan Africa in Thedas, and the Quenari are inspired by Arabs, Middle-Easterners, Moors or whatever you want to call them, who are also far from being "black."



Considering how Middle Easterners and Muslims in general have treated "black" people, I find it hilarious how black people seem to gravitate towards such traditions (hint: the Nation of Islam etc.) Search for "black eunuch" or similar, quite a different treatment for blacks compared to whites back when. This might've seen overly aggressive; I'm just lashing out a little against those who seem to read to much into Arab-inspired fantasy.

[Nathair Nimheil]

sigi333 wrote...

genes, theyre random.

Did your wife tell you that? </rimshot>

[Aedan_Cousland]

gauntz wrote...
 There is nothing what so ever that suggests that there is anything even faintly related to black people or sub-saharan Africa in Thedas, and the Quenari are inspired by Arabs, Middle-Easterners, Moors or whatever you want to call them, who are also far from being "black."
.

I believe the people of Rivain are described as being dark-skinned, so that nation may be loosely based on a sub-Saharan African nation.

Although the Chasind are never described as being black or dark-skinned in game as far as I can remember, most of the Chasind NPCs you meet in game are dark-skinned. In fact all of them except for one are dark-skinned. From that I think it is safe to assume that the Chasind are generally a dark-skinned people, though the culture doesn't seem to based on any sub-Saharan African or Middle-Eastern cultures.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 22 décembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Isn't this really a potential problem for most Origins, though? You can make a "black" elf too, yeah? So that wouldn't mesh with your father in that origin... same for a Dwarven Noble. Weird that people seem to fixate on it in the Human Noble Origin only.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

As some others have stated if really wanted to be pedantic about it, they should not only have limited the color of skin but also the complexion and hair/brow color seeing as you could end up looking like you are older than your alleged parents.



As for why people fixate on the human noble, probably because it is the only real origin where you see both of your parents.



Easiest out of the lot to get away with having your character be dark skinned and ancient is mage, although one would have to wonder how it took them so long for them to put you through the harrowing lol (motive for killing irving later I guess)

[Rei no Otaku]

They could have handled this like was done in Fallout 3. The father's facial features and skin color changes depending on how you customized your PC.

[Zenon]

Indraugnir Caledor wrote...

@Zenon

My sincere apologies for either misquoting or misunderstanding you, also i think my example was also poorly chosen/thought out.
So again my deepest apologies.

No problem. Your analogy surprised me though, so I couldn't resist adding my opinion to it.