saracen16 wrote...
Spare me the emotional babble. There is no question that they are the aggressors in this war. However, in the battle for Earth, the allied fleet in space has taken to the offensive. At the last ten minutes of ME3, the variables have changed: the Catalyst ceases to serve the function of antagonist, regardless of what battle rages on outside the Citadel. The Catalyst already made it clear: he can't make the new solution happen. He is just continuing his programming.
The kid/Catalyst is always the antagonist.
The Catalyst says a lot of things-so might any enemy when backed into a corner. You have exactly one being's word on what the crucible/citadel/catalyst combination does-the kid's. And he has never been deceptive before right? His programming is flawed, his logic is not logical, his actions have been single-minded and without nuance, but the truth is he has understanding of nuance-he just refuses to see it as viable. He had determined the best course. But it is no longer working - well if not then why is there a need for Shepard to make a new solution happen? It seems like this would put the ball in Shepard's court. The reapers are no longer working? Then the best course of action is not action. The kid says he needs a new solution (his old one isn't working) but he can't make the new solution (his new solution) happen. Who says so? Well of course, he does. The only reason he can't make the new ones work is because they require either organic material and energy or they require a physical being act upon them.
Of course he is always the antagonist. He is still attempting to deceive. He leaves destroy if it's an authentic choice as some bungled ambiguous garbage that is self-contradictory. And he further implies that killing the reapers might kill Shepard or anyone with synthetic parts-but he is so vague about it as to be laughable.
The Catalyst is supposed to be that which helps or causes a reaction. It's not a passive thing. It is by its very nature active. He is especially active. He understands nuance-he just rejects any alternative that he has not created.
We know-the crucible works in conjunction with the catalyst-not the citadel specifically but the catalyst, the kid. The crucible "connects" to the citadel and the citadel is a part of the kid.
Who would know that the catalyst is the kid? Who would be able to make an item that would act upon the kid and the citadel as well as create choices that would work on reapers to keep them from killing people? Only the catalyst would.
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Whoever created the crucible had to know:
The kid exists-the catalyst is an advanced AI.
The reapers exist-and are the catalyst's solution to a organic/synthetic problem.
Who knows about the kid:
The kid, his creators, and Shepard
Who knows about the reapers:
The kid's creators after becoming a reaper.
Everyone else.
Who could have created something that uses the kid and affects the reapers:
The kid or his creators-after becoming a reaper.
If the kid's creators made the crucible, they did it after becoming a reaper because only then would they know about the reapers as the kid's solution. The crucible changes the solution. If the creators mode the crucible, the kid knew about it and agreed with it, because he controls the reapers and he controls his creators. The crucible is owned by the kid, the solutions are owned by the kid. The kid is always the antagonist.