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[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Read the ops comments.
It's clearly is shackled.
 Also, it perserved it's creators.  And the definiton of ushackled AI's is not killing it's creators. That's a defination of a crazy AI.

He isn't doing this:

protect and preserve organic life

So he isn't shackeled. Stop thinking otherwise. He's bat**** insane and is free willed.
Sadly, we still have to follow HIS SOLUTIONS in the end.
This is BS.

[Ithurael]

I...don't know

[Baa Baa]

Anything that makes the Catalyst look bad is awesome. I'm still a little sad that we didn't ever get to make the Catalyst look like an idiot in the EC dialogue but eh.

[The Angry One]

Every time they try to add lines to the Catalyst to try and justify it's ridiculous agenda and synthesis they make it worse.

You can sugar coat a bad idea ll you want, BioWare. It's still a bad idea!

[dreman9999]

D24O wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That still means he is shackled and his creators are really stupid do making him do this.

Could be that they were so arrogant that they didn't think their machine would turn on them. Look at the reapers, they're all very self assured and so is the Catalyst.

Excatly, this is the sin of hubris.

[Vox Draco]

Ahem..."it cannot be forced" means synthesis?

And "you must choose it. For all of us" means synthesis as well, right?

I am not sure I like this, but maybe I am getting some wrong impression? Please tell me i do..

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

Every time they try to add lines to the Catalyst to try and justify it's ridiculous agenda and synthesis they make it worse.

You can sugar coat a bad idea ll you want, BioWare. It's still a bad idea!

I think you need to under stand that BW is not justifing synthesis. This is clear they are going out of there way to point out the flaws of the choice.

[Ithurael]

The Angry One wrote...

Every time they try to add lines to the Catalyst to try and justify it's ridiculous agenda and synthesis they make it worse.

You can sugar coat a bad idea ll you want, BioWare. It's still a bad idea!

It is like you can see walters in the corner saying: "comon! do it! plz? Its teh best one! Pleaze!!"

LOL - NO!

Synthesis is just...wrong for the sake of Mass Effect. I personally like the idea in another setting, but in no way does it apply to ME.

[Taboo]

Boy is he flawed.

This AI turned on it's creators to form it's calculated process and arrived at a work around.

He still doesn't account for variables each cycle.

What a ****ing mess this is.

[Applepie_Svk]

If you were looking on whole conversation they are again change some of the aspects - retcon once again ... yuppeeee

[dreman9999]

Baa Baa wrote...

Anything that makes the Catalyst look bad is awesome. I'm still a little sad that we didn't ever get to make the Catalyst look like an idiot in the EC dialogue but eh.

Here's you problem. You think this makethe catalyst look bad.That isnto the case. This makes it clear that it's creators are that big of idiots to force a machine to do this. It's ideals , in this dlc, are made clear that it's not it's own. These are it's creators ideals....

It's creators are the idiots.

[Ithurael]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Boy is he flawed.

This AI turned on it's creators to form it's calculated process and arrived at a work around.

He still doesn't account for variables each cycle.

What a ****ing mess this is.

Ok, if I can play devils advocate for a bit.

IMO - It is acceptable that there are massive flaws in the starkid's logic. Machines are not meant to be creative - they truly cannot see past something they do not understand (like organics).

But yeah, I think caking more dialoge to starjar will not end well. Destroy still seems like the best choice with Control coming in close second.

[TSA_383]

Damn, this thread grew quickly.

Taboo-XX wrote...
It's a work around. So is Synthesis. He's trying to solve it through the most blunt manner possible. LITERALLY fusing the two together.

Which is shown from the dialogue to be what it has been doing all along.
Don't you see, the reapers are the catalyst's "solution" because if there are no seperate organics and synthetics, they can't fight one another. The reaper creation process IS synthesis.

To me, it's an unshackled AI that found what to it seemed like a logical way to solve the problem.
Unfortunately, that logic was itself... well... evil.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

What a ****ing mess this is.

An interesting mess, if you ask me.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Every time they try to add lines to the Catalyst to try and justify it's ridiculous agenda and synthesis they make it worse.

You can sugar coat a bad idea ll you want, BioWare. It's still a bad idea!

I think you need to under stand that BW is not justifing synthesis. This is clear they are going out of there way to point out the flaws of the choice.

Synthesis is Bioware's version of a happy ending, its there love child with the Starbrat

[ThaDPG]

I'm just praying for some way to make the catalyst see what an idiot he is and self destruct himself or something

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What a ****ing mess this is.

An interesting mess, if you ask me.

Oh it warrents attention, that's for sure, but is it probable?

That's the thing I'm looking for.

It's more than evident that he presents fallacies AND doesn't account for new things.

He has the opinion of a flawed being, just like the rest of us.

[MegaSovereign]

dreamgazer wrote...

Context can be a far bigger game-changer than people think.

Exactly.

Through extra lines of dialogue the Catalyst went from being a mystical space God to a rogue AI.

[Kyle Kabanya]

Everytime someone starts talking about the catalyst and his dialogue, I always think of the MTV movie awards where will ferrel makes fun of the matrix. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Boy is he flawed.

This AI turned on it's creators to form it's calculated process and arrived at a work around.

He still doesn't account for variables each cycle.

What a ****ing mess this is.

What variables would change it's salution?

It a machine. All it cares to do is what it's programed to do. It found a way to do it thatit's creators did not agree with.
That clear is the flaw of machines.

[dreman9999]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Context can be a far bigger game-changer than people think.

Exactly.

Through extra lines of dialogue the Catalyst went from being a mystical space God to a rogue AI.

Thechnicly he is still doing whathe is programed to do.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Boy is he flawed.

This AI turned on it's creators to form it's calculated process and arrived at a work around.

He still doesn't account for variables each cycle.

What a ****ing mess this is.

What variables would change it's salution?

It a machine. All it cares to do is what it's programed to do. It found a way to do it thatit's creators did not agree with.
That clear is the flaw of machines.

Not it's solution, it's process. He sought a simple solution being a machine.

He isn't creative like organics, and cannot factor in EVERY variable that may come into play.

Shepard simply being in front of him shows that his solution is fallible.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 07 août 2012 - 06:48 .

[dreman9999]

ThaDPG wrote...

I'm just praying for some way to make the catalyst see what an idiot he is and self destruct himself or something

He is only going to see that he has to do what he is programed to do. He wouldn't do that.

[Tazzmission]

did this really need another thread? not to sound rude but theres already a thread discussing this

[MegaSovereign]

dreman9999 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Context can be a far bigger game-changer than people think.

Exactly.

Through extra lines of dialogue the Catalyst went from being a mystical space God to a rogue AI.

Thechnicly he is still doing whathe is programed to do.

Its core programming didn't change, but its directive did. It's still considered going rogue.

Here's an analogy:

EDI was created to serve the Normandy crew. EDI still went rogue against Cerberus, but she still serves the Normandy.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 07 août 2012 - 06:50 .