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[TSA_383]

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

I think there's something a lot more likely:


We know that the reapers wipe out almost all traces of each previous cycle, right?

Well, how did this device come to be, and by what chance has it survived multiple cycles?

I have to say, the whole "crucible" thing seems like a trap, particularly with the addition of reaper parts towards the end of ME3.

[3DandBeyond]

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

It could explain everything.

[3DandBeyond]

TSA_383 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

I think there's something a lot more likely:


We know that the reapers wipe out almost all traces of each previous cycle, right?

Well, how did this device come to be, and by what chance has it survived multiple cycles?

I have to say, the whole "crucible" thing seems like a trap, particularly with the addition of reaper parts towards the end of ME3.

Unfortunately they don't.  They've left enough true Prothean crap laying around and there is stuff from other cycles left on other planets.  The planet Joab for one.

However, that does not rule out a trap and it would actually make the Crucible more credible if left amongst another civilization's ruins.  The kid almost seems pleased when saying he thought the plans had been destroyed and he never says who created them.  If he did not make them then why wouldn't he say that someone created them to thwart his purpose?  And if someone else had made them to mess with the kid then why would that being include any choice that helps him?  The only reason the kid would have for not saying who made the plans would be if he did. 

If the Leviathan made the plans then why since it is apparently supposed to really dislike the reapers (from what I could tell and I could be wrong), why would it create something that would leave the reapers alive?  And still how would the Protheans and any other cycle know how to add to it since it must change the Catalyst, when they didn't know what the Catalyst was?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 09 août 2012 - 01:07 .

[Memnon]

TSA_383 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

I think there's something a lot more likely:


We know that the reapers wipe out almost all traces of each previous cycle, right?

Well, how did this device come to be, and by what chance has it survived multiple cycles?

I have to say, the whole "crucible" thing seems like a trap, particularly with the addition of reaper parts towards the end of ME3.

I have long theorized that the Crucible plans were a Reaper trap - what better way to get the entire galaxy to spend time, manpower, and resources which could be used to build defenses and research technology, than to trick them to build something that in the end provides a solution to their problem

[akeizm_]

Kyle Kabanya wrote...

Everytime someone starts talking about the catalyst and his dialogue, I always think of the MTV movie awards where will ferrel makes fun of the matrix. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

 HAHA

[Massa FX]

So the crucible may very well be a Reaper trap.

Damn... that is so fiendishly brilliant of the Reapers.

But... on the other hand why present destroy as an option at all? What do they gain from that scenario? We see various Reapers fall down as if dead or just powered off. We never see Geth or other synthetics power down/die.

It would help if we'd see synthetic death as well as reapers.

[Dark_Caduceus]

They made this convoluted, retarded, over complicated mess even more muddled?

[3DandBeyond]

Massa FX wrote...

So the crucible may very well be a Reaper trap.

Damn... that is so fiendishly brilliant of the Reapers.

But... on the other hand why present destroy as an option at all? What do they gain from that scenario? We see various Reapers fall down as if dead or just powered off. We never see Geth or other synthetics power down/die.

It would help if we'd see synthetic death as well as reapers.

This is the problem-destroy is really just crap.

You ever really tried to figure out what destroy does?  I know what it shows it doing, but what the kid says about it is the most confusing pile of garbage ever written-almost.  He says it will not discriminate.  It will target all synthetics (he does not say synthetic life) and says Shepard is part synthetic.  Well, I'd ask what that means.  Will it kill Shepard, will it kill others with synthetic implants?  Will it destroy synthetic implants?  What will it do?  It will kill EDI and the geth-a given since it will kill the reapers and target all synthetics, or will it?  He says there will be losses but no more than "you" have already lost.  What the hell does that mean?  If EDI and the geth are killed, those are more losses.  If synthetic implants even just shut down, some are life sustaining devices-won't that kill people and create more losses?  I can't make sense of anything he says there and they added zero clarity to it.  I don't think they added much at all to destroy's dialogue and basic ending.

But we then see EDI dies-her name is on the wall.  And no geth are seen in the slideshow, but they are in the other endings.  They must have died, but what else did it do?

[sonicphoto]

It would have been better to have a screenshot of the geth dead, thrown on the floor, or the place they appear in the other endings without them. Again this is why I prefer the original destroy ending, we had no idea if EDI and the geth die, but at least I could put in my mind that they live.

[Memnon]

I don't even know what the EC Destroy ending looks like - I chose Destroy pre EC, but as I was doing the EC playthrough I did my ceremonial "shoot the Catalyst in the face" routine, and well ... imagine my surprise. I didn't have the energy to play it again, I didn't even watch the Destroy endings on youtube. 

[inversevideo]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Says who?  He could have enforced peace at any time by wiping out all organic life.  He didn't, presumably, for a reason - which he actually states in the ending sequence.

Says the fact that that is not peace, and that is not "overseeing relations".

Even if extermination did fit some twisted definition of peace... why not just do that then? Wipe out all life. Peace!
Why bother with the cycle? The cycle has nothing to do with the directive of peace.

Oversee.
1. To watch over and direct; supervise. 2. To subject to scrutiny; examine or inspect.

Overseeres can impose.

What the catalyst is doing is a concept  ends justify the means. Cause chaos now  future  larger chaos will not happen in the furture.

CATALYST - NOUN - something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

Starkid tells you, the Crucible has opened new possibilities for it.  By Starkid's own admission, he has been changed, and by definition of what a catalyst is, Starkid is not the Catalyst.  The Prothean VI told you correctly, the Citiadel is the Catalyst. The Citiadel is unchanged by it'd docking with the Crucible, but Starkid is being changed.

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

His reason for being, his mission, just does not make sense because he is broken. His bread is not done, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, he is several dimes short of a dollar. 

The Reapers have no problem co-opting the Geth to do their bidding. The Reapers do this by introducing a math error into the Geth runtimes. Therefore, the Reapers could do this with any synthetic race that it encounters. 

So if Starkid was functioning correctly, the Reapers would simply take over any inorganic race, like the Geth, thus short circuiting the technological apocalypse before it began.  They could police the galaxy in this fashion forever, co-opting synthetics to become a force to protect life.

But that is not what occurs. Starkid co-opts synthetics, like the Geth, to rape and pillage the galaxy, killing organics in order to 'save' them.  Starkid is broken. Simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, the only way to protect the galaxy, is to ensure dead Reapers. Switch them all off.

Modifié par inversevideo, 09 août 2012 - 03:25 .

[Massa FX]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

So the crucible may very well be a Reaper trap.

Damn... that is so fiendishly brilliant of the Reapers.

But... on the other hand why present destroy as an option at all? What do they gain from that scenario? We see various Reapers fall down as if dead or just powered off. We never see Geth or other synthetics power down/die.

It would help if we'd see synthetic death as well as reapers.

This is the problem-destroy is really just crap.

You ever really tried to figure out what destroy does?  I know what it shows it doing, but what the kid says about it is the most confusing pile of garbage ever written-almost.  He says it will not discriminate.  It will target all synthetics (he does not say synthetic life) and says Shepard is part synthetic.  Well, I'd ask what that means.  Will it kill Shepard, will it kill others with synthetic implants?  Will it destroy synthetic implants?  What will it do?  It will kill EDI and the geth-a given since it will kill the reapers and target all synthetics, or will it?  He says there will be losses but no more than "you" have already lost.  What the hell does that mean?  If EDI and the geth are killed, those are more losses.  If synthetic implants even just shut down, some are life sustaining devices-won't that kill people and create more losses?  I can't make sense of anything he says there and they added zero clarity to it.  I don't think they added much at all to destroy's dialogue and basic ending.

But we then see EDI dies-her name is on the wall.  And no geth are seen in the slideshow, but they are in the other endings.  They must have died, but what else did it do?

Yeah, I've tried to figure it out. It's a tangle of vague insinuation and half talk. I also wonder what happened to the Geth that downloaded to Quarian armor to help the Quarians adapt. How did destroy affect their Quarian host? What happened to the billions of geth on servers (no hardware, just software). What about VI's on other spaceships? And what about biotic implants? Are they considered synthetic since Shepards cybernetic implants are deemed "synthetic" by the Catalyst.

Lots of questions...

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Lots of questions, but very few interesting ones. Without a way to win the game, who cares how you get to the lousy ending? I'm under rubble either way.

[Irockz]

inversevideo wrote...

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

Are you the only other person aside from me that figured this out? It seems like it (although I believe that it takes the form of someone that the other knows well based off indoctrination. What I'm saying is that the Indoctrination Theorists were right-to an extent. Shepard IS indoctrinated, but not to a large extent, by any means. She isn't affected by it yet, but the Reapers know her thoughts.)

Modifié par Irockz, 09 août 2012 - 04:18 .

[dreman9999]

KNotW wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KNotW wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KNotW wrote...

There is no way the catalyst was shackled when it tried to reaperize its creators. Basic AI shackling would have prevented that by forcing the catalyst to obey its creators. When it presented that solution its creators would have just been able to tell it no and it would have stopped. Because we're told that its creators disagreed with becoming the first reaper but it did it anyway it couldn't have been shackled by a species competent enough to create the technology that the reapers are based off.

Read this 
http://en.wikipedia....eroth_Law_added.
Then come back. Basic shacles would not stop a highly advance AI. It's a concept of definations that allowed the catalyst to opose it's creators.

My point was that the creators wouldn't be stupid enough to only use the Three Laws of Robotics. Such an advanced civilization would have had "Don't disobey our orders" as the highest priority of the shackles. Even with the Zeroth Law the shackle could be done so that obeying the creators takes priority. I'm saying that if the catalyst is shackled then its creators are really stupid. I think it's more likely that the catalyst was shackled at one point but became unshackled before the reaper solution was carried out.

The probelm is. The catalyst is not programed to do what it creators tell it to do. It madeto solve a problem. They did n't not limit to do want every they told it to because they though just focusing on the problem is enough. That was also the problem. The problem with syntheics up rising is because they are being forced as tools. They casue that to happen agien because they did not understand it was their fault for the synthetics up rising.

Solving the problem with organics and synthetics was WHY the catalyst was created. The game doesn't say HOW it was created so all we can do is make assumptions based off the situation that created it. Any  assumptions about how it was made are just opinions until Bioware says otherwise. You have the right to your interpretation just as much as I have mine and hopefully we can agree there.

Just for a last jab. Their is more proof he is shackled then him being not. He makes it clear is being forced.

[dreman9999]

inversevideo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Says who?  He could have enforced peace at any time by wiping out all organic life.  He didn't, presumably, for a reason - which he actually states in the ending sequence.

Says the fact that that is not peace, and that is not "overseeing relations".

Even if extermination did fit some twisted definition of peace... why not just do that then? Wipe out all life. Peace!
Why bother with the cycle? The cycle has nothing to do with the directive of peace.

Oversee.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">1. ]To watch over and direct; supervise. [/color]2. To subject to scrutiny; examine or inspect.

Overseeres can impose.

What the catalyst is doing is a concept  ends justify the means. Cause chaos now  future  larger chaos will not happen in the furture.

CATALYST - NOUN - something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

Starkid tells you, the Crucible has opened new possibilities for it.  By Starkid's own admission, he has been changed, and by definition of what a catalyst is, Starkid is not the Catalyst.  The Prothean VI told you correctly, the Citiadel is the Catalyst. The Citiadel is unchanged by it'd docking with the Crucible, but Starkid is being changed.

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

His reason for being, his mission, just does not make sense because he is broken. His bread is not done, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, he is several dimes short of a dollar. 

The Reapers have no problem co-opting the Geth to do their bidding. The Reapers do this by introducing a math error into the Geth runtimes. Therefore, the Reapers could do this with any synthetic race that it encounters. 

So if Starkid was functioning correctly, the Reapers would simply take over any inorganic race, like the Geth, thus short circuiting the technological apocalypse before it began.  They could police the galaxy in this fashion forever, co-opting synthetics to become a force to protect life.

But that is not what occurs. Starkid co-opts synthetics, like the Geth, to rape and pillage the galaxy, killing organics in order to 'save' them.  Starkid is broken. Simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, the only way to protect the galaxy, is to ensure dead Reapers. Switch them all off.

It's clear you don't even understand what it was made to do.

[dreman9999]

Stornskar wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

I think there's something a lot more likely:


We know that the reapers wipe out almost all traces of each previous cycle, right?

Well, how did this device come to be, and by what chance has it survived multiple cycles?

I have to say, the whole "crucible" thing seems like a trap, particularly with the addition of reaper parts towards the end of ME3.

I have long theorized that the Crucible plans were a Reaper trap - what better way to get the entire galaxy to spend time, manpower, and resources which could be used to build defenses and research technology, than to trick them to build something that in the end provides a solution to their problem

So, it's a trap that lets you kill them....That makes no sense.

[dreman9999]

Massa FX wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

So the crucible may very well be a Reaper trap.

Damn... that is so fiendishly brilliant of the Reapers.

But... on the other hand why present destroy as an option at all? What do they gain from that scenario? We see various Reapers fall down as if dead or just powered off. We never see Geth or other synthetics power down/die.

It would help if we'd see synthetic death as well as reapers.

This is the problem-destroy is really just crap.

You ever really tried to figure out what destroy does?  I know what it shows it doing, but what the kid says about it is the most confusing pile of garbage ever written-almost.  He says it will not discriminate.  It will target all synthetics (he does not say synthetic life) and says Shepard is part synthetic.  Well, I'd ask what that means.  Will it kill Shepard, will it kill others with synthetic implants?  Will it destroy synthetic implants?  What will it do?  It will kill EDI and the geth-a given since it will kill the reapers and target all synthetics, or will it?  He says there will be losses but no more than "you" have already lost.  What the hell does that mean?  If EDI and the geth are killed, those are more losses.  If synthetic implants even just shut down, some are life sustaining devices-won't that kill people and create more losses?  I can't make sense of anything he says there and they added zero clarity to it.  I don't think they added much at all to destroy's dialogue and basic ending.

But we then see EDI dies-her name is on the wall.  And no geth are seen in the slideshow, but they are in the other endings.  They must have died, but what else did it do?

Yeah, I've tried to figure it out. It's a tangle of vague insinuation and half talk. I also wonder what happened to the Geth that downloaded to Quarian armor to help the Quarians adapt. How did destroy affect their Quarian host? What happened to the billions of geth on servers (no hardware, just software). What about VI's on other spaceships? And what about biotic implants? Are they considered synthetic since Shepards cybernetic implants are deemed "synthetic" by the Catalyst.

Lots of questions...

You two can't even imagine a concept of an emp device?

[dreman9999]

TSA_383 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. Thread still alive.

Had a thought. What if some of the present crucible builders are indoctrinated? They sabotaged the crucible which enabled the evil catalyst to appear?

Further, and worse: what if some of the protheans were indoctrinated when they added their additions to the crucible plans? Or any other now extinct civilization?

Maybe this is why the catalysts logic is fubar and the new options are in many ways worse than reaping.

I think there's something a lot more likely:


We know that the reapers wipe out almost all traces of each previous cycle, right?

Well, how did this device come to be, and by what chance has it survived multiple cycles?

I have to say, the whole "crucible" thing seems like a trap, particularly with the addition of reaper parts towards the end of ME3.

You too?  The very concept of this should end at the understand that it does kil the reapers.

[Massa FX]

dreman9999 wrote...

So, it's a trap that lets you kill them....That makes no sense.

Exactly!!!! :happy:

[Massa FX]

dreman9999 wrote...

You two can't even imagine a concept of an emp device?

EMP. Yes, I understand that concept. Does it apply here?

The crucible is simply an EMP blast that takes out Geth, EDI, Reapers, and Shepard's implants but nothing else?

Heck, why didn't Hackett, Shepard, Anderson, the Salarians, the Asari, the Turians (etc..) try using an EMP blast to stop the Reapers. Shoot, why didn't any other previous cycle try that?

Brain flatulence?

[dreman9999]

Massa FX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You two can't even imagine a concept of an emp device?

EMP. Yes, I understand that concept. Does it apply here?

The crucible is simply an EMP blast that takes out Geth, EDI, Reapers, and Shepard's implants but nothing else?

Heck, why didn't Hackett, Shepard, Anderson, the Salarians, the Asari, the Turians (etc..) try using an EMP blast to stop the Reapers. Shoot, why didn't any other previous cycle try that?

Brain flatulence?

The destory choice effect all tech....

That makes it similar to an emp blast.

[inversevideo]

dreman9999 wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Says who?  He could have enforced peace at any time by wiping out all organic life.  He didn't, presumably, for a reason - which he actually states in the ending sequence.

Says the fact that that is not peace, and that is not "overseeing relations".

Even if extermination did fit some twisted definition of peace... why not just do that then? Wipe out all life. Peace!
Why bother with the cycle? The cycle has nothing to do with the directive of peace.

Oversee.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">1. ]To watch over and direct; supervise. [/color]2. To subject to scrutiny; examine or inspect.

Overseeres can impose.

What the catalyst is doing is a concept  ends justify the means. Cause chaos now  future  larger chaos will not happen in the furture.

CATALYST - NOUN - something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

Starkid tells you, the Crucible has opened new possibilities for it.  By Starkid's own admission, he has been changed, and by definition of what a catalyst is, Starkid is not the Catalyst.  The Prothean VI told you correctly, the Citiadel is the Catalyst. The Citiadel is unchanged by it'd docking with the Crucible, but Starkid is being changed.

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

His reason for being, his mission, just does not make sense because he is broken. His bread is not done, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, he is several dimes short of a dollar. 

The Reapers have no problem co-opting the Geth to do their bidding. The Reapers do this by introducing a math error into the Geth runtimes. Therefore, the Reapers could do this with any synthetic race that it encounters. 

So if Starkid was functioning correctly, the Reapers would simply take over any inorganic race, like the Geth, thus short circuiting the technological apocalypse before it began.  They could police the galaxy in this fashion forever, co-opting synthetics to become a force to protect life.

But that is not what occurs. Starkid co-opts synthetics, like the Geth, to rape and pillage the galaxy, killing organics in order to 'save' them.  Starkid is broken. Simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, the only way to protect the galaxy, is to ensure dead Reapers. Switch them all off.

It's clear you don't even understand what it was made to do.

What is clear is that you imagine you do! 

You are drawing inferences, making up motivations.

My statements are based on what we have witnessed and experienced.

We have no way of knowing what Starkid was manufactured to do. Nor does it matter.
It is a Reaper. Reapers control 'lesser synthetics'. It could choose to control those synthetics and use them to preserve life. Instead, Starkid destroys life, with the goal of saving life.  This is specious reasoning.

Aside from the small fact that Starkid is committing galactic genocide in order to preserve life in the galaxy, it's actions, during our first meeting make it suspect.   It could project any humanoid form it wants, or appear as a talking bear.  It chooses to reach into Shepard's mind and select an image that has haunted Shepard all game. It appears as the ghostly apparition of a dead child that Shepard could not save.  Not the best start to our relationship.

And since the Citidel is Starkid's 'home', I am mindful that for all intents and purposes, I am inside a Reaper.
A 'mad' Reaper.  A mad Reaper who has access to my head. And the Reaper is telling me that he destroys all life in the galaxy to preserve it from the bad AI we created.  When said Reapers have shown proficiency at co-opting those AI, and it would be a bit less harsh if Starkid just told the AI to help preserve and protect life, rather than tell the AI to join in taking down organics.

This is what I know, have seen/experienced.  I have not seen Starkid's origin, we only just met, and since I would have to take anything it tells me about it's motivations as 'truth', without the benefit of verifiying anything that occurred millions of years ago, I think I am okay in judging Starkid, by his actions, which it has repeated for several cycles now.  And what I see is broken machine. A very dangerous broken machine.

Modifié par inversevideo, 09 août 2012 - 05:50 .

[Ozzy]

The Crucible was much less jarring in the earlier script where it served as a red herring and was found out to be planted to be Reapers. At least it makes more sense than what we got.

[dreman9999]

inversevideo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Says who?  He could have enforced peace at any time by wiping out all organic life.  He didn't, presumably, for a reason - which he actually states in the ending sequence.

Says the fact that that is not peace, and that is not "overseeing relations".

Even if extermination did fit some twisted definition of peace... why not just do that then? Wipe out all life. Peace!
Why bother with the cycle? The cycle has nothing to do with the directive of peace.

Oversee.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">1. ]To watch over and direct; supervise. [/color]2. To subject to scrutiny; examine or inspect.

Overseeres can impose.

What the catalyst is doing is a concept  ends justify the means. Cause chaos now  future  larger chaos will not happen in the furture.

CATALYST - NOUN - something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

Starkid tells you, the Crucible has opened new possibilities for it.  By Starkid's own admission, he has been changed, and by definition of what a catalyst is, Starkid is not the Catalyst.  The Prothean VI told you correctly, the Citiadel is the Catalyst. The Citiadel is unchanged by it'd docking with the Crucible, but Starkid is being changed.

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

His reason for being, his mission, just does not make sense because he is broken. His bread is not done, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, he is several dimes short of a dollar. 

The Reapers have no problem co-opting the Geth to do their bidding. The Reapers do this by introducing a math error into the Geth runtimes. Therefore, the Reapers could do this with any synthetic race that it encounters. 

So if Starkid was functioning correctly, the Reapers would simply take over any inorganic race, like the Geth, thus short circuiting the technological apocalypse before it began.  They could police the galaxy in this fashion forever, co-opting synthetics to become a force to protect life.

But that is not what occurs. Starkid co-opts synthetics, like the Geth, to rape and pillage the galaxy, killing organics in order to 'save' them.  Starkid is broken. Simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, the only way to protect the galaxy, is to ensure dead Reapers. Switch them all off.

It's clear you don't even understand what it was made to do.

What is clear is that you imagine you do! 

You are drawing inferences, making up motivations.

My statements are based on what we have witnessed and experienced.

We have no way of knowing what Starkid was manufactured to do. Nor does it matter.
It is a Reaper. Reapers control 'lesser synthetics'. It could choose to control those synthetics and use them to preserve life. Instead, Starkid destroys life, with the goal of saving life.  This is specious reasoning.

Aside fromn the small fact that Starkid is committing galactic genocide in order to preserve life in the galaxy, it's actions, during our first meeting make it suspect.   It could project any humanoid form it wants, o appear as a talking bear.  It chooses to reach into Shepard's mind and select an image that has haunted Shepard all game. It appears as the ghostly apparition of a dead child that Shepard could not save.  Not the best start to our relationship.

And since the Citidel is Starkid's 'home', I am mindful that for all intents and purposes, I am inside a Reaper.
A 'mad' Reaper.  A mad Reaper who has access to my head. And the Reaper is telling me that he destroys all life in the galaxy to preserve it from the bad AI we created.  When said Reapers have shown proficiency at co-opting those AI, and it would be a bit less harsh if Starkid just told the AI to help preserve and protect life, rather than tell the AI to join in taking down organics.

This is what I know, have seen/experienced.  I have not seen Starkid's origin, we only just met, and since I would have to take anything it tells me about it's motivations as 'truth', without the benefit of verifiying anything that occurred millions of years ago, I think I am okay in judging Starkid, by his actions, which it has repeated for several cycles now.  And what I see is broken machine. A very dangerous broken machine.

This dlc leak already proves what he was made for. You entire argument is based on the fact maybe the catalyst is lieing about everything it said. If you go by what it said, it doing it programing. If you going by the leak, it defently doing it's programing.
So for you to even beable to continue, youhave to prove that:
1. The catalyst is lieing.
2. The leak is false.
3.You have to show what it's programed to do.


Unless you can't. Every thing you stated is bs.