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[3DandBeyond]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

This is the appropriate face to have whenever someone tries to paint the catalyst/the reapers as victims.

https://encrypted-tb...mjU97FH3HJ2gVZD

Love this.  No he is no victim.  I don't believe it.  Just speculating as a discussion tool.  The catalyst is the bully kid down the block that ran and hid behind his mommy when he got caught.

[Mobius-Silent]

3DandBeyond wrote...
Where did I say they were created to transport them?  Have you heard of drones?

You called them "ships" that is a form of transport, all I'm saying is that what we call "reapers" were once just the leviathan versions of the geth (possibly without the network, maybe not) it's only the scale of the Leviathans that makes us think they look like transport.

3DandBeyond wrote... 
Where did I say they didn't have minds at all.  In fact all I said is they may not have been fully sentient but became a problem when they became sentient.  We don't know.

I was interpreting the intent behind this:

not to make them self-aware

Well technically they didn't ever become sentient until the synthesis ending (Sentience implies feeling and emotional capability, which comes with synthesis) but they were "sapient" (Thinking machines like most AIs, with a full sense of self)

3DandBeyond wrote...  
But according to what you are saying the pre-reaper constructs were created to do what?  Stand around looking cool.

Why does any race make thinking machines in their own image, to do thinks they can't be bothered to do.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 09 août 2012 - 04:46 .

[Postman778]

dreman9999 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The destory choice effect all tech....

That makes it similar to an emp blast.

It does not affect all tech, that is the point

  
http://www.youtube.c...ailpage#t=447s' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XNyvUblf28&feature=player_detailpage#t=447s
Listen to what he says. It effects all tech.

"Technology you reliy on will be affected, but those who servive should have little difficulty repairing the damage"

That means tech is effected, but it can be easily repaired. That's why the normady land on that planet and was able to get off.
It effect all tech but it's not permanent.

It says tech, right.
But why are all geth destroyed? Geth are software loaded on a mobile plattform. It is also said, that geth are loaded upon quarian suites to help them. It doesn´t matter if the geth software became selfaware if you choose to unity quarians and geth or just help the geth. If the mobile plattform is destroyed, ok, but the geth are wiped from the face of the galaxy.
Why is EDI dead? She is an AI that is loaded upon the Normandy. It can transfer itself into EVA´s body, but still it remains an AI, it is software. She became selfaware.
If it affects all tech why are the ships immidiatly flying by?

Even with the new lines from the Leviathan DLC the endings make no sense to me. There is so much bull**** with the endings, that it is hard to describe. And with the Leviathan DLC it seems it gets more confusing than it already is.

Trust me i won´t buy it.

[3DandBeyond]

The Twilight God wrote...

Nobody should trust it now.

Good analysis and some great points in that thread.  I wanted to add one minor bit of food for thought.  In Destroy Shepard might not be so dissuaded even with the "even you are part synthetic" line, but more by what it might mean.  Shepard would easily give up his/her life for others.  But, the real question mark here is does that mean anyone that is part synthetic or has synthetic augmentation and implants would be impacted?  No clue.  Shepard has no idea what it would do to him/her but even worse is what it might do to anyone else.  All tech is synthetic-and the kid does not say synthetic life.  He says it will target all synthetics.  Synthetic merely refers to something not naturally occurring.  I think the destroy description is purposely ambiguous and nonsensical.  It's meant to be convoluted.



The point in terms of things in this discussion is destroy should either target all tech (it's synthetic and reaper based) or not.  How can it target synthetics and not target tech?  Because the devs needed to have repairable relays at the end and an ambiguous torso.

If the kid had said it targeted synthetic life-then EDI, Geth, other AIs, reapers are gone.  If it says it targets all tech then oops destroyed galaxy.  They tried to split the baby.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 09 août 2012 - 05:01 .

[3DandBeyond]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
Where did I say they were created to transport them?  Have you heard of drones?

You called them "ships" that is a form of transport, all I'm saying is that what we call "reapers" were once just the leviathan versions of the geth (possibly without the network, maybe not) it's only the scale of the Leviathans that makes us think they look like transport.

3DandBeyond wrote... 
Where did I say they didn't have minds at all.  In fact all I said is they may not have been fully sentient but became a problem when they became sentient.  We don't know.

I was interpreting the intent behind this:

not to make them self-aware

Well technically they didn't ever become sentient until the synthesis ending (Sentience implies feeling and emotional capability, which comes with synthesis) but they were "sapient" (Thinking machines like most AIs, with a full sense of self)

3DandBeyond wrote...  
But according to what you are saying the pre-reaper constructs were created to do what?  Stand around looking cool.

Why does any race make thinking machines in their own image, to do thinks they can't be bothered to do.

I've already said you are being too literal.  Drones are airships.  Ships can be used to transport things or do things without being manned-barges are ships.  Unmanned spaceships were launched early on before manned ones were.

You make it incredibly hard to have a discussion.  You interpret intent, use extremely literal meanings and then don't interpret intent. 

A flea has a mind, but it is not fully self-aware.  It has some awareness perhaps but may only know it needs to eat, sleep, reproduce, and die.  That may be all the pre-reaper "ships" were created to do on their own.  And by eat I don't need chew and swallow and digest but to obtain sustenance, nourishment no matter the form they must consume.  My car needs nourishment in the form of oil and gas.  Leviathan constructs (they are not reapers) need something to maintain them and that is fuel.  It could be something they transform into energy, just as food is turned into energy by our bodies.

I have no idea why the Leviathans created these constructs, but they can fly in space.  They have weaponry.  They intake organic material.  They have minds but perhaps no self-awareness.  They may be controlled to do things-exactly what I said.  They could have been created to take over the galaxy-to kill everyone in their wake. 

They could be exploration probes that were meant to bring back samples of less advanced organic life or to be fueled by it-using it as brain food.  Perhaps the Leviathans needed new DNA themselves.  Perhaps the Leviathan ship constructs gained sentience and misunderstood their purpose-they were collecting and/or using organic DNA or intelligence as energy.  Maybe they found they could become smarter and more sentient by taking in more advanced organics' goo. 

The kid was created and got the idea somewhere that the created will rebel against the creator.   He may think this because they did.

[Massa FX]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

My proverbial 2.5 cents.

Reapers are bad.

Killing Reapers is good.

The catalyst is either a moron, evil, or both.

Killing the Catalyst is good.

dreman9999 has incredibly bad spelling.

That is all.

This works for me.

[memorysquid]

Stornskar wrote...

His logic is silly, but that's because his creators' logic was silly ... the reason I don't trust the Catalyst is because his creators were morons. No matter how you look at it, the Catalyst doesn't make sense, it's poor writing, and the only reason you trust him is because the writers tell you that you have to

Well of course, but that happens throughout the game.  The writers of ME are not perfect and the choices you get offered reflect their variously correct or mistaken understandings of ethics, politics and physics.  If you are playing the game, you should be playing it by the rules they wrote, otherwise both this discussion is futile because your understanding will be utterly idiosyncratic. 

When Legion told Shepard that the Heretics are the result of a math error but then immediately denied it offering a false equivalence between [2<3] and [1=/=2] did I fly to BSN demanding everyone recognize all the Geth are insane, cannot perform basic math functions and the only correct response is to wipe them out as a danger to all?  No.  Because I understood it was just poor writing.  So I don't get all these horrible, nasty arguments trying to hash out the correct response to what was ultimately understandable, but bad writing.  The writers' intention was clear enough.  If the writers tell you the proto-Reaper race's logic was sterling, well then it was.  Voila! 

[memorysquid]

Massa FX wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

My proverbial 2.5 cents.

Reapers are bad.

Killing Reapers is good.

The catalyst is either a moron, evil, or both.

Killing the Catalyst is good.

dreman9999 has incredibly bad spelling.

That is all.

This works for me.

It works for me too, just not in this game.  The sheer urge to ignore a simple, easily referenced reality like the universe of ME writing is baffling.

[dreman9999]

Postman778 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The destory choice effect all tech....

That makes it similar to an emp blast.

It does not affect all tech, that is the point

  
http://www.youtube.c...ailpage#t=447s' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XNyvUblf28&feature=player_detailpage#t=447s
Listen to what he says. It effects all tech.

"Technology you reliy on will be affected, but those who servive should have little difficulty repairing the damage"

That means tech is effected, but it can be easily repaired. That's why the normady land on that planet and was able to get off.
It effect all tech but it's not permanent.

It says tech, right.
But why are all geth destroyed? Geth are software loaded on a mobile plattform. It is also said, that geth are loaded upon quarian suites to help them. It doesn´t matter if the geth software became selfaware if you choose to unity quarians and geth or just help the geth. If the mobile plattform is destroyed, ok, but the geth are wiped from the face of the galaxy.
Why is EDI dead? She is an AI that is loaded upon the Normandy. It can transfer itself into EVA´s body, but still it remains an AI, it is software. She became selfaware.
If it affects all tech why are the ships immidiatly flying by?

Even with the new lines from the Leviathan DLC the endings make no sense to me. There is so much bull**** with the endings, that it is hard to describe. And with the Leviathan DLC it seems it gets more confusing than it already is.

Trust me i won´t buy it.

1. Geth can exsist with out tech?...Expline how?
2. EDI is not software, and software is still tech.

[dreman9999]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...



The catalyst is either a moron, evil, or both.

It's the catalyst creators who are morons.

[3DandBeyond]

memorysquid wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

His logic is silly, but that's because his creators' logic was silly ... the reason I don't trust the Catalyst is because his creators were morons. No matter how you look at it, the Catalyst doesn't make sense, it's poor writing, and the only reason you trust him is because the writers tell you that you have to

Well of course, but that happens throughout the game.  The writers of ME are not perfect and the choices you get offered reflect their variously correct or mistaken understandings of ethics, politics and physics.  If you are playing the game, you should be playing it by the rules they wrote, otherwise both this discussion is futile because your understanding will be utterly idiosyncratic. 

When Legion told Shepard that the Heretics are the result of a math error but then immediately denied it offering a false equivalence between [2<3] and [1=/=2] did I fly to BSN demanding everyone recognize all the Geth are insane, cannot perform basic math functions and the only correct response is to wipe them out as a danger to all?  No.  Because I understood it was just poor writing.  So I don't get all these horrible, nasty arguments trying to hash out the correct response to what was ultimately understandable, but bad writing.  The writers' intention was clear enough.  If the writers tell you the proto-Reaper race's logic was sterling, well then it was.  Voila! 

I'm sorry but in my game the Heretics say 1 is less than 2, but the true geth say 2 is less than 3.  He is saying it created a similar but different meaning to things.  It means it's like they are speaking a different language almost.  It's the idea that like two people can think they mean and want the same thing, but arrive at it differently.  It made complete sense.

The poor writing took hold in ME3, along with some of the best writing of the series.  The contrast is what is horrific.  In fact, it's because we wanted the writers to play by the rules they wrote and they didn't.  They created their own problems and then refused to see they existed.  And I could go into how they denied so much to fans when they did talk-things they clearly meant to happen in the game, because they said it would happen and did happen, and then came back later and couldn't see why fans thought it happened.  That's not quirkiness or intent, that's pure laziness and rather off-putting.

[TSA_383]

Darkholl0w wrote...

So I was right into not choosing Synthesis after all and chose Destroy from the beginning and stuck with it.

I'm glad with my choice.

It'd certainly appear so.

Synthèse :


Ça ne vous rappelle rien ?

 

[SpamBot2000]

Did some poor fool trust that thing before Leviathan?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 09 août 2012 - 06:13 .

[Taboo]

wat

All three are solutions...

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 août 2012 - 06:13 .

[Applepie_Svk]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Did some poor fool trust that thing before Leviathan?

There is few certain individuals which have no doubts about Catalyst´s goals.

[Yalision]

Mmmm... kind of ruins my interest rather than gets me excited. I wish they'd close this thread if it's false. If it's all true then I may just pass on this DLC. I was very excited, shame.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Irockz wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Starkid is lying to Shepard, and attempting to play with her mind by taking the visage of the kid she could not save.
So there is no reason to believe anything the Starkid tells you, and good reason to evaluate carefully what it is laying down.

Are you the only other person aside from me that figured this out? It seems like it (although I believe that it takes the form of someone that the other knows well based off indoctrination. What I'm saying is that the Indoctrination Theorists were right-to an extent. Shepard IS indoctrinated, but not to a large extent, by any means. She isn't affected by it yet, but the Reapers know her thoughts.)

Well seeing as much of the complaining over the original endings and the kid was that people thought it made no sense to trust the kid, and many complaints are still about the same thing even with the EC, I don't think you are alone.  Part of the problem with the game is the kid being in it at all.  He's clearly there to say something at the beginning, but it's for new players; he's there to put a face on the war for Shepard.  For anyone who played ME1 and/or 2, he mostly comes off as awful.

As the glow kid I think there are people that don't even realize he is fooling them.  I mean it's incredible the number of people that don't think he's capable of lying (yet he has) or that he is even the enemy.  Some think he has good reasons for doing what he does.  If he were Harbinger or even TIM, I think the attitude about the choices and the catalyst would be much different.  Even when some people know he says, "so be it" they still seem to think he's some victim of his programming.

If you going to say he is lieing...Give proof to how and what he lied about. Because ift his leak is true, then it's clear he is not.

How many times do I have to post what he has lied about?  And there are many ways he lies.  He is deceptive.  I have replied to you in several different threads regarding this and what he has done.  You ignore anything that doesn't fit with your tragic super advanced adaptable partly-but-not-totally shackled AI that was allowed the freedom to figure out how to solve a problem with loose programming, but whose programming is so strict he cannot be held responsible because he's just a dumb machine.  How can anyone discuss anything with you?  I say he lies.  You say show proof.  I show proof.  You say he's just a machine and machines can't lie-you say I don't know how machines think.  If I say he can, he's an advanced AI, you say I don't know how AIs think.  If I say he can adapt, that's what makes him advanced-like EDI.  You say, no he's controlled by his programming.  If I say that would mean he is shackled in some way so he couldn't have destroyed his creators.  You say an advanced AI could get around basic shackling.  That means he is not bound by his programming and he can adapt and think on his own.  I know what you will say to that.  You will say no he was only given a problem and wasn't told how to solve it.  And again I will say that means he was given the authority to think for himself.  And he has done that.  But here goes--he lies.  If you come back with your usual BS then it's because you have closed your mind to anything that does not fit your idea of a tragic boy AI.

The kid says he controls the reapers.  If he doesn't, he is lying.  You say he doesn't.  If he does, he also is responsible for indoctrination.  Indoctrination forces people to believe things that are not true.  That's lying.  The kid says he's not killing anyone, but he is.  He knows what that is and he is doing it, but he says he is not.  That's lying.  The kid lies by omission.  Why, if he did not create the plans for the crucible, does he not say who did?  He knows they exist.  He does not say he didn't create them and he doesn't say who did.  If he didn't create them, he could tell Shepard he didn't and hope Shepard believes that.  If he did create them and told Shepard that, no way Shepard would want to use the crucible.  The great possibility exists that he created the crucible and the choices.  Not proof of a lie, but one piece of evidence that creates the possibility of a lie. The Citadel is a part of him just as your body is a part of you, as opposed to the Normandy and EDI.  In saying this he is taking ownership of what happens on the Citadel and the choices exist there.  If you get a tattoo on your body, unless you were drunk, you tend to know where it came from. 

The kid is being deceptive just by looking like he does.  He's obviously not the kid.  Of all the people Shepard has met the AI takes the form of the most supposedly innocent and (ugh) tragic one.  The kid had no weapon, was not fighting, was running away, and was killed.  He is by definition supposed to be very innocent.  Why not take on the appearance of TIM or Anderson, even.  The appearance as a kid is as old as it gets.  A wolf in sheep's clothing.  Deceptive.

All choices do solve his problem, even control and destroy do.  Yes, he is a program and he is tasked with solving a problem.  He sucks at it.  His solution is always temporary, because he makes it so.  He does not want the problem ever to be solved, because then he will no longer be needed and may be shut off.  Pure conjecture, but he could have a shut off routine.  He may know no matter what if his problem is finally solved he may be gone.  End conjecture.

His solution is temporary.  So are the choices as he presents them.  One assures that he may "live" on as he is now.  That may be why he promotes it.  The other two represent less acceptable solutions, but they still solve his problem, what he was programmed to do.  He has tried other things before-tried things before making a reaper.  And then in a real act of deceit, he turned his creators into a reaper.  He did what you said, he determined how to solve his problem.  It no longer works.  He needs another way to solve it and he has 3.  They are all temporary.  Synthesis is a bit more permanent, but still could lead to organic and synthetic lifeforms being created and so on.  And the reapers still exist as does the kid.

Control might still leave him in the reapers-no longer the AI in control of things, but a part of the whole Shepard AI.  Conflict could return because the reapers still exist.  The kid most likely still exists too.

Destroy does get rid of synthetics, though the kid's whole description of what it does is a mess.  It destroys reapers or does it just shut down their AIs?  They don't vaporize.  And that means the kid's blue box, if there is one, still may be in existence.  He even says the conflict will return (as he sees it).  If mass relays and the citadel are repaired, who is to say what else might be?  But even so, the threat as he sees it has been destroyed, for now.

All solutions are temporary and some not his favorites, but they all stop the conflict as he sees it.  Any solution fulfills his programming.  He could very well be in control of all of it.

I know this is all pointless because you won't respond directly to all of this, but again I tried.

He could be lying because he has lied. 

You have yet to point out what he lied about.

1."The kid says he controls the reapers.  If he doesn't, he is lying.  You say he doesn't.  If he does, he also is responsible for indoctrination.  Indoctrination forces people to believe things that are not true.  That's lying "

I never said he does not control the reapers. Heck, I even said he is the reapers. And doing indoctriantion is not lieing.

2.Who created the crucible does not matter and him not telling who did  is not a lie. With this dlc  leak you now know who made it.

3.Him taking the image of the kid that died on earth(if he is real) is not him lieing ether.

4.Him not wanting the problem be solved make no sense. He brought you up here just to solve it. If he never wanted it to be solved, why help Shepard?

5.Synthesis is a perment salution. It's mass indoctriantion and implatation.

6.In control ,he has no control at all. Period.

7. In destory he is dead. He andthe reapers are not coming back. It make no sense to allow us to destroy him if destroy is a trick.



You have yet to tell me one of his lies....
Let me ask agein...How does he lie?

Modifié par dreman9999, 09 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[Postman778]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Geth can exsist with out tech?...Expline how?
2. EDI is not software, and software is still tech.

Software is not that kind of tech the spacebrat is talking about. If all software would be affected and if all tech would be affected there would be a major problem. Everything the future civiliziation depends upon has to be reinvented.
You cannot say that software is affected and that software is not affected, neither can it differ between that kind of hardware or that kind of hardware.

Back to the questions

• How can the quarians survive without tech? If all tech is affected, the quarians are exposed to germs etc. and a lot of them will die.
• You see the helmet is filled with tech. The whole suite is filled with tech to keep up life systems etc. The geth can load themselves upon the suite. You don´t see the quarias dying, but on a picture wearing their suites on some kind of world.
• How  is it possible that spaceships keep flying around if all tech is destroyed? Navigation depends upon software. Engines depend on software, reactor cooling etc. depends on software. Everything upon a spaceship depends on software. The software is stored on some sort of medium, maybe hard-disk. That medium is tech. If every tech is destroyed the hard disk would be destroyed, too, and all data is lost. But ships are still flying around, so the software storages seems in a pretty well condition.
• If software storages are working, why are the geth gone? The ones saved upon the quarian suites would survive. The ones, that didn´t participate in the fight, but beeing loaded into the geth cluster would survive, too.
• If all tech is affected, all spaceships must be stranded, drifting in space. If the tech is repaired by rebooting the computer (Jurassic Park Style) the software will still be there. Otherwise the systems won´t work and you have to rewrite all controll programs right from the beginning. I doubt so
• EDI is software. Here a quote from the Mass Effect Wiki

  An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer
  network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading
  these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as
  variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create
  unpredictable variations.

  The Software must still be there.
• If the Bluebox is repaired, the Normandy is repaired, too, it seems to be possible to repair a bluebox, bringing back EDI with her old personality.
• Same for the geth

so for me it is a not logical that they both disappear.

Modifié par Postman778, 09 août 2012 - 06:56 .

[Nicksta92]

Crucible was flawed; catalyst said that. Hence,it's power couldn't be focused properly and the geth EDI unfortunately are destroyed.

[The Twilight God]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Nobody should trust it now.

Good analysis and some great points in that thread.  I wanted to add one minor bit of food for thought.  In Destroy Shepard might not be so dissuaded even with the "even you are part synthetic" line, but more by what it might mean.  Shepard would easily give up his/her life for others.  But, the real question mark here is does that mean anyone that is part synthetic or has synthetic augmentation and implants would be impacted?  No clue.  Shepard has no idea what it would do to him/her but even worse is what it might do to anyone else.  All tech is synthetic-and the kid does not say synthetic life.  He says it will target all synthetics.  Synthetic merely refers to something not naturally occurring.  I think the destroy description is purposely ambiguous and nonsensical.  It's meant to be convoluted.

Good point about the implications that it will possibly hurt or kill a multitude of multitude of organics as well. I will include your suggestion.

3DandBeyond wrote...

The point in terms of things in this discussion is destroy should either target all tech (it's synthetic and reaper based) or not.  How can it target synthetics and not target tech?  Because the devs needed to have repairable relays at the end and an ambiguous torso.

In one of my fantic endings the Crucible negated the effects of eezo. Reaper ships are far more dependent on their huge cores to function. Our vessels use a combination of fuels and me cores. In this scenario reapers on the ground become too heavy to walk and topple over helpless. Those in space are stranded with no propulsion and not enough power to run those thanix beams. The fleets who have thrusters and can still manuveur mop them up in a satisfactory display of  reapers getting torn to shreds. The Normandy can send unload missiles up Harbinger's ass. The relays are shut down, obviously, but they can use the Crucble to get relays jump charges and eventually design new relays based around the Crucible's tech (i.e. the combined ingenuinity of all past races). Maybe I'll post it.

3DandBeyond wrote...

If the kid had said it targeted synthetic life-then EDI, Geth, other AIs, reapers are gone.  If it says it targets all tech then oops destroyed galaxy.  They tried to split the baby.

It would make more sense if it did just target reapers. There has no be something unique to them that can be targeting. I still can't believe they didn;t have anyone turn on the Citadel relay and fly to a darkspace base. It woul dhave made for a more believable  "deus ex machina" way to get knowlegde of the reapers and set us up for the Catalyst beforehand.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 09 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[Clayless]

Is this thread still going? Why don't we just wait for the DLC?

[dreman9999]

Postman778 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Geth can exsist with out tech?...Expline how?
2. EDI is not software, and software is still tech.

Software is not that kind of tech the spacebrat is talking about. If all software would be affected and if all tech would be affected there would be a major problem. Everything the future civiliziation depends upon has to be reinvented.
You cannot say that software is affected and that software is not affected, neither can it differ between that kind of hardware or that kind of hardware.

Back to the questions

• How can the quarians survive without tech? If all tech is affected, the quarians are exposed to germs etc. and a lot of them will die.
• You see the helmet is filled with tech. The whole suite is filled with tech to keep up life systems etc. The geth can load themselves upon the suite. You don´t see the quarias dying, but on a picture wearing their suites on some kind of world.
• How  is it possible that spaceships keep flying around if all tech is destroyed? Navigation depends upon software. Engines depend on software, reactor cooling etc. depends on software. Everything upon a spaceship depends on software. The software is stored on some sort of medium, maybe hard-disk. That medium is tech. If every tech is destroyed the hard disk would be destroyed, too, and all data is lost. But ships are still flying around, so the software storages seems in a pretty well condition.
• If software storages are working, why are the geth gone? The ones saved upon the quarian suites would survive. The ones, that didn´t participate in the fight, but beeing loaded into the geth cluster would survive, too.
• If all tech is affected, all spaceships must be stranded, drifting in space. If the tech is repaired by rebooting the computer (Jurassic Park Style) the software will still be there. Otherwise the systems won´t work and you have to rewrite all controll programs right from the beginning. I doubt so
• EDI is software. Here a quote from the Mass Effect Wiki

  An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer
  network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading
  these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as
  variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create
  unpredictable variations.

  The Software must still be there.
• If the Bluebox is repaired, the Normandy is repaired, too, it seems to be possible to repair a bluebox, bringing back EDI with her old personality.
• Same for the geth

so for me it is a not logical that they both disappear.

[*]You miss a keep fact. It affect all tech. That does not mean it destroies all tech.  Get it. As the catalyst stated, it would be easilly repaired. The quarians and every ship will be fine The suit are just airlocks  and can last some time before the quarian is in danger if it's suits tech is down. It can easilly be repair. Same with the ships. Your also missing the fact that Joker had to land on a planet...Why did he?[*]With EDI and the geth it's different.  If her software is distrupted and her reaper tech is destoryed...EDI would not  no longer be EDI. Think brain death and you'll get it. Her reaper hard ware that makes her what she is is gone. Think lobotamy. She would be like a VI.[*]The geth on the other hand can be restored but the concenecuc as it was before is gone. They would be  How before they became self aware and have to gain that self awarniss back. This is a race the has to be one to be inteligent. Added, the reaper code they have is gone post-destroy. 

[dreman9999]

Nicksta92 wrote...

Crucible was flawed; catalyst said that. Hence,it's power couldn't be focused properly and the geth EDI unfortunately are destroyed.

He never said that.

[ATiBotka]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Did some poor fool trust that thing before Leviathan?

I trust him.

[Prom001]

Nyoka wrote...

Once all the planned DLC for ME3 are out the conversation with the Catalyst is going to be seven hours long, he'll have sooo many excuses and rationalizations...

so true