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[uv23]

So we have shield gates that make sniper rifles completely ineffectual, a steady stream of nerfs applied even to weapons that are nigh impossible to obtain, and constant enemy buffs. What point is there in playing anymore? I'm rank 1700ish, have sunk hundreds of hours into this game, and have convinced friends to buy it. But the fun is over, and I may finally be done.

[IrishDeath420]

death_for_sale wrote...

Well, the video poster didn't reload cancel either nor mention the RoF change on the test class, so overall it was misleading.

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You keep bringing up the ROF change, but have yet to answer this: Wouldn't it be slower on any class without a ROF boost, and what other class are you planning on taking that weapon with?

Modifié par IrishDeath420, 08 août 2012 - 05:20 .

[Rifneno]

Atheosis wrote...

If you are referring to that comparison video that was being posted, it actually showed that it was in fact 25%.  The problem in that video is that the Atlas no longer dying in one magazine resulted in a much greater performance drop than 25% in that particular situation as the player was forced to reload and go through another charge-up before finishing it off.  It doesn't change that the actual damage per round when charged up is in fact 25% less than before just like they said.


And really 25% is a pretty hefty nerf on its own.  Hyperbole isn't needed.

People who whine about the reload in the video make me lol.  Reloading is part of DPS.  Deal.  You don't judge the widow assuming you can fire it like a phalanx.  That's incredibly stupid.  Speaking of incredibly stupid, judging it based on a typhoon 10 with warp rounds 4 and ARRA 3 is way, way beyond merely "stupid."  Yes, it has been nerfed by about 50%.

Not to mention it's now buggy and sometimes the bonuses either just plain don't work at all or don't work at full capacity.  When I used it on my engineer one night, I emptied 80 rounds into a geth prime and took off about 3 bars of armor.  Do you see "typhoon weird bonus bugs fixed" on that balance list?  I don't.

[Lyria]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

Yesssssssss!!

*clicks profile*

...  They need to add some restrictions to these forums.

they need to add some restrictions that  cant allow  idiots that dont agree with people that think its over powered to  troll people  thru there manifest, oh wait they do its called me restricting  you from reading my manifest... but then again i got nothing to worry about since i seen it in action in every game that i played on gold and plat. move along troll.

So let me guess, you're fragile epeen got crushed when the guy with the Piranha X outscored you. Im guessing it's more about his ability as a gamer and less about the gun. Maybe Im wrong, but you should play more multiplayer, get the guns before you start complaining, and stop thinking a video of a group of expert gamers finishing platinum in less that 13 mins enables you to have an opinion about a weapon you haven't used.

As someone who has used a Piranha X, it is in need of balancing. But only after Bioware fixes other more important issues like server disconnects or any of the other annoying bugs. Maybe they could conjure up some space magic left over from writing the endings to fix the servers?

[snfonseka]

Piranha damage reduction.... time to ditch that weapon too.

[elitehunter34]

Rifneno wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

Jesus Christ, it absolutely baffles me how people are up in arms about a nerf. We have absolutely no idea how much of a damage nerf it's getting. It could be a 5% nerf for all we know.

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure we're overreacting. It's not like the last few nerfs were in the area of 50% or anything.

Oh wait, they were? Okay, I guess the problem is you don't know how these things tend to go then.

The Typhoon nerf reduced its damage multiplier from 2.0 to 1.5.  That is a 25% damage nerf.  You are grossly overstating the nerfs.  Use facts instead of patronizing me.

You should be patronized, you don't know jack ****.  They SAID 25%.  Tests have undeniably proven that it's way the hell more than that.

Seriously, cut the attitude man, I'm not your enemy.  I want this game to be fun just as much as you are.  And the fact is, it is still a 25% nerf in terms of numbers.  Against armor it's effect is going to be more than 25% because of the way armor works.  It still has only 25% less damage against unarmored enemies.  Personally I'm neutral on the Typhoon.  Maybe it could use a slight buff.  However, arguing about the Typhoon is not why I came here.

I came here because people are complaining about a nerf which we don't know the numbers behind.  There is no point complaining until we see the numbers.  I've already been over this.

[Atheosis]

Rifneno wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

If you are referring to that comparison video that was being posted, it actually showed that it was in fact 25%.  The problem in that video is that the Atlas no longer dying in one magazine resulted in a much greater performance drop than 25% in that particular situation as the player was forced to reload and go through another charge-up before finishing it off.  It doesn't change that the actual damage per round when charged up is in fact 25% less than before just like they said.


And really 25% is a pretty hefty nerf on its own.  Hyperbole isn't needed.

People who whine about the reload in the video make me lol.  Reloading is part of DPS.  Deal.  You don't judge the widow assuming you can fire it like a phalanx.  That's incredibly stupid.  Speaking of incredibly stupid, judging it based on a typhoon 10 with warp rounds 4 and ARRA 3 is way, way beyond merely "stupid."  Yes, it has been nerfed by about 50%.

Not to mention it's now buggy and sometimes the bonuses either just plain don't work at all or don't work at full capacity.  When I used it on my engineer one night, I emptied 80 rounds into a geth prime and took off about 3 bars of armor.  Do you see "typhoon weird bonus bugs fixed" on that balance list?  I don't.

You can continue going on about how it was "nerfed by 50%" all you want, but all you're really doing is revealing your own emotionalism and ignorance.  The gun was overnerfed.  I totally agree with that.   But people like you are not helping with this hyperbolic nonsense.

Modifié par Atheosis, 08 août 2012 - 05:24 .

[Halrum]

Never cared too much for the piranha, probably because I never got any upgrades for it. I'm perfectly satisfied with my demolisher and my crusader.

[FlameOfValour]

Rifneno wrote...

People who whine about the reload in the
video make me lol.  Reloading is part of DPS.  Deal.  You don't judge
the widow assuming you can fire it like a phalanx.  That's incredibly
stupid.  Speaking of incredibly stupid, judging it based on a typhoon 10
with warp rounds 4 and ARRA 3 is way, way beyond merely "stupid."  Yes,
it has been nerfed by about 50%.

Only against atlas due to his huge amount of shields and armor. Banshees and primes can still be killed in one clip.

elitehunter34 wrote...

Against armor it's effect is going to be more than 25% because of the way armor works.  It still has only 25% less damage against unarmored enemies. 

Typhoon's multipliers are applied to the final damage value, so it is 25% against everything.

[Cyonan]

 

IrishDeath420 wrote...

I said 50% efficiency, not DPS. Those were also the best of circumstances. Level 10 Typhoon, easiest to hit target, best mods & consumables, and no enemy shooting from behind.

 

Still not valid numbers.

If you weren't using all the things he was, you'd have to reload even pre-nerf.

Only affects one unit with one very specific setup. Not enough to make valid claims of 50%.

steverw1975 wrote...

Perhaps, but reloads are a part of the game, and each weapon has its own reload speed. So, if the change in damage forces a player to take time to reload and get the weapon revved up again, it's a legitimate element when considering its combat effectiveness. DPS isn't the end all be all of combat effectiveness, especially when you're not taking into account what happens when you're fighting the more elite enemies that might require more than one clip. Does that mean it represents an effect 50% nerf? I don't know, and I have no interest in running the numbers. It's just a game after all. I do know, however, that a simple change can lead to more complicated results.

It only affects 1 unit with 1 specific setup. That is not anywhere close enough to make claims that the gun was cut down by 50%.

Literally every other unit you'd not have to needed to reload, if you could actually hit it. If you weren't using all the consumables he was you would also have needed to reload. This skews the number and makes the video not very accurate of the overall picture.

[Lyria]

Atheosis wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

If you are referring to that comparison video that was being posted, it actually showed that it was in fact 25%.  The problem in that video is that the Atlas no longer dying in one magazine resulted in a much greater performance drop than 25% in that particular situation as the player was forced to reload and go through another charge-up before finishing it off.  It doesn't change that the actual damage per round when charged up is in fact 25% less than before just like they said.


And really 25% is a pretty hefty nerf on its own.  Hyperbole isn't needed.

People who whine about the reload in the video make me lol.  Reloading is part of DPS.  Deal.  You don't judge the widow assuming you can fire it like a phalanx.  That's incredibly stupid.  Speaking of incredibly stupid, judging it based on a typhoon 10 with warp rounds 4 and ARRA 3 is way, way beyond merely "stupid."  Yes, it has been nerfed by about 50%.

Not to mention it's now buggy and sometimes the bonuses either just plain don't work at all or don't work at full capacity.  When I used it on my engineer one night, I emptied 80 rounds into a geth prime and took off about 3 bars of armor.  Do you see "typhoon weird bonus bugs fixed" on that balance list?  I don't.

You can continue going on about how it was "nerfed by 50%" all you want, but all you're really doing is revealing your own emotionalism and ignorance.  The gun was overnerfed.  I totally agree with that.   But people like you are not helping with this hyperbolic nonsense.

Speaking of ignorance, have you seen the massive thread where its been proven that the effective damage of the Typhoon was more than the "25%" originally stated? The math alone of a 200% bonus being reduced to a 150% would seem to indicate a 50% reduction in damage. But that's on paper.

[Xaijin]

Atheosis wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

If you are referring to that comparison video that was being posted, it actually showed that it was in fact 25%.  The problem in that video is that the Atlas no longer dying in one magazine resulted in a much greater performance drop than 25% in that particular situation as the player was forced to reload and go through another charge-up before finishing it off.  It doesn't change that the actual damage per round when charged up is in fact 25% less than before just like they said.


And really 25% is a pretty hefty nerf on its own.  Hyperbole isn't needed.

People who whine about the reload in the video make me lol.  Reloading is part of DPS.  Deal.  You don't judge the widow assuming you can fire it like a phalanx.  That's incredibly stupid.  Speaking of incredibly stupid, judging it based on a typhoon 10 with warp rounds 4 and ARRA 3 is way, way beyond merely "stupid."  Yes, it has been nerfed by about 50%.

Not to mention it's now buggy and sometimes the bonuses either just plain don't work at all or don't work at full capacity.  When I used it on my engineer one night, I emptied 80 rounds into a geth prime and took off about 3 bars of armor.  Do you see "typhoon weird bonus bugs fixed" on that balance list?  I don't.

You can continue going on about how it was "nerfed by 50%" all you want, but all you're really doing is revealing your own emotionalism and ignorance.  The gun was overnerfed.  I totally agree with that.   But people like you are not helping with this hyperbolic nonsense.

Taken with the destoyer nerfs, -50% output probably isn't that far off.

[Lucrece]

Hopefully with the nerf to the Piranha they also make other weapons useful... the Piranha was just a symptom of limited options.

[Lyria]

Lucrece wrote...

Hopefully with the nerf to the Piranha they also make other weapons useful... the Piranha was just a symptom of limited options.

Agreed. I'd love if the Disciple would do some damage on higher difficulties.

[Clayless]

St Michael wrote...

About time. Being able to drop a banshee, prime or atlas in 4 seconds on platinum is just...wrong.

[Stinja]

elitehunter34 wrote...

IrishDeath420 wrote...
25% damage nerf that ended up cutting its actual efficiency by 50%.

I don't think any weapon even with all those upgrades can cut through an Atlas that fast.  

See these two videos:

www.youtube.com/watch

and:

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Stinja, 08 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[dumdum2]

I've been opposing buffs and nerfs from day one (which I've clearly stated on the forum a couple of times) because for me it takes away so much of the fun when constant changes are being made. Sometimes I don't even go online to see read what they change so when I play the game I just go "what the hell just happened?!".

Sometimes I want to have a challenge by using "bad" characters and weapons and sometimes I just want to slaughter enemies with overkill. It's about MY gaming experience, I wan't to be able to choose how my gaming experience will be when I play RPG, I do not want to get forced into a specific style of play and such.

Well, I have a few games lying around that I haven't even started playing yet only because I've played Mass Effect 3 instead. Now I'm going to put this game aside for a while, and I'm not even going to buy the new DLC. I figure that the most important thing is to fix things like bugs in the game, the ending in SP (because it still sucks) and the freaking store system. But no, BW will focus on taking away the fun with this game, the feeling of RPG is lost to me because of all the "balancing". Sometimes I wonder if they even know what RPG means....

So Bioware, listen now and listen closely, because I'm only going to say this once - F*ck you!

[Methew]

So.

Piranha's getting nerfed.

Didn't see that coming.

[IrishDeath420]

death_for_sale wrote...

IrishDeath420 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Well, the video poster didn't reload cancel either nor mention the RoF change on the test class, so overall it was misleading.


You keep bringing up the ROF change, but have yet to answer this: Wouldn't it be slower on any class without a ROF boost, and what other class are you planning on taking that weapon with?

You seem to be missing the point. I am pointing it out because it effects the comparison, meaning the video has an innate flaw.

To give you an example, let's say I took a weapon on a class that had a 70% damage boost to a Platinum match. I video killing an Atlas in 6 seconds. Now that class has a reduction a week later in damage, let's say to 60%, and a 25% damage change to the weapon. The damage change to the class is going to effect my damage output, possibly forcing me to have to reload the weapon. The damage change to the weapon will also have an effect.

Between the two, I now have to reload to kill the target, which means I am definitely going to kill it slower. But let's say I completely skip reload-cancel, a known and BW approved mechanism in the game. That adds more time to the video, meaning I take 13 seconds to kill the same Atlas.

Would it be fair for me to now show a comparison video and say that the weapon is broken? Or would someone on this forum say, "Hey, but you didn't reload cancel and the weapon was not the only thing changed". I know I would expect someone to call me on it immediately from past experience.

Now, as I have said before, I think the balance change was a little overkill for the weapon. But posting flawed comparisons does nothing to help that argument. I think that BW will probably give it a small buff next week in any case.

The video was still a perfect representation of how both nerfs affected the Destroyer/Typhoon combination, which is what most people run/ran anyways. (reload canceling aside)

While reload canceling may be well known to people on this website, it is far from well known to the majority of ME3 gamers.

[BlackoutOmega]

 Way to cave into peer pressure. 

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

Have you fixed the drop rates, the vanguard glitch and magneti hands befre nerfing stuff?

[Darth Malice113]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Have you fixed the drop rates, the vanguard glitch and magneti hands befre nerfing stuff?

Nope.

[FollowMeClosely]

I don't use the Piranha so...meh.

But if BW nerfs my Locust, Predator, Eviscerator, Revenant, or Incisor... I will ragequit the game!!

[Methew]

BlackoutOmega wrote...

 Way to cave into peer pressure. 

Was it peer pressure?

Or was it the untold numbers of players grabbing the weapon and using it and only it because it pretty much outclasses almost every other shotgun?