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[Imp of the Perverse]

jerrmy12 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I don't have the patience to wade through 26 pages of "omg piranha nerf! now it will only be 20% more powerful than the harrier instead of 50%!!!" posts to see if anyone else has mentioned this, but I remember someone posting a video earlier showing that it's impossible to kill a turret on platinum with a widow due to the shield regen delay being shorter than the widow reload time. Looks like the devs were paying attention, a good sign.

no, it's a bad sign.
1. sr BADLY SUCK, especially platinum
2. bw said they are changing the mechanic.

I'm confused. You're saying sniper rifles are bad on platinum, bioware posts that they're changing a game mechanic in a way that makes them better, and you say that's a bad sign?

[Jebel Krong]

jerrmy12 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I don't have the patience to wade through 26 pages of "omg piranha nerf! now it will only be 20% more powerful than the harrier instead of 50%!!!" posts to see if anyone else has mentioned this, but I remember someone posting a video earlier showing that it's impossible to kill a turret on platinum with a widow due to the shield regen delay being shorter than the widow reload time. Looks like the devs were paying attention, a good sign.

no, it's a bad sign.
1. sr BADLY SUCK, especially platinum
2. bw said they are changing the mechanic.

yeah its certainly not easy with the heavier one-shot snipers.

[friedricethem0n]

Makes me wonder if they ever test the weapons on anything past Silver before nerfing them.

The Pirahna is not OP, not even at X level on Gold and Platinum. You have to kill stuff fast on those difficulty as the enemies do stupid amount of damage (anything below 1000 shields and health will die to one Warp from a Platinum Banshee). Also, try using a Pirahna X with no weapon mods and consumable gears on Gold. You will realize that without AP ammo IV, Shredder mod V and Smart Choke V, this weapon is jank.

Also, Pirahna is highly inaccurate even with smart choke V unless you use some accuracy modifier like Marksman. But who the hell plays a Turian Soldier on Platinum anyways?

A Rare weapon should be treated as better than its Silver and common counterparts. Ultra Rare weapons should be better than Rare weapons which in turn are better than their Silver counterparts and Silver will trump Common weapons. Otherwise, why bother with the rarity tag on weapons? BW should just instead make everything common if they insist on nerfing rare and UR weapons and classes every single week.

[-Event-Horizon-]

GI + Pirahna = OP, simple fact.

[friedricethem0n]

-Event-Horizon- wrote...

GI + Pirahna = OP, simple fact.

GI + Claymore X = OP, also another simple fact...

Also,

Gi + Striker X = OP. Fact.

And

GI + Katana X = OP. Another Fact.

Just substitute the weapon with any weapon you like and it will be OP in the hands of a GI.

The reason being is that the GI can buff weapon damage from its passives, hunter mode and tactical cloak. And mix that in with 20% debuff from proximity mine fired from cloak, you can kill almost everything on Gold and Platinum with almost any decent weapon.

Modifié par friedricethem0n, 08 août 2012 - 08:31 .

[A MIAOW]

friedricethem0n wrote...

 Also, Pirahna is highly inaccurate even with smart choke V unless you use some accuracy modifier like Marksman. But who the hell plays a Turian Soldier on Platinum anyways?

I agree everything you mentioned except this.

Actually I have one friend who is professional to use Turian soldier in gold/ platinum with his harrican...He killed Banshee and Prime in secs...

Of course, not Pirahna...

[Necrotron]

I can understand addressing top contender guns now and then, but can we address some of the dramatically underpowered/rarely taken on high difficulty guns at some point?  (e.g. Locust, Crusader, Eagle, etc.)

Modifié par Bathaius, 08 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[dima_che]

Just some random people discussing random changes in one particular office:
- Let's delay changes, and give them a hint about nerfing that shotgun!
- Hell yeah! And lets whatch the tears flow !!!

[friedricethem0n]

A MIAOW wrote...

friedricethem0n wrote...

 Also, Pirahna is highly inaccurate even with smart choke V unless you use some accuracy modifier like Marksman. But who the hell plays a Turian Soldier on Platinum anyways?

I agree everything you mentioned except this.

Actually I have one friend who is professional to use Turian soldier in gold/ platinum with his harrican...He killed Banshee and Prime in secs...

Of course, not Pirahna...

Hi A Miaow. Sorry, I probably sucked with using the Turian Soldier on Gold and Platinum. But I can't seem to get the Turian Soldier to work on Platinum and Gold. I seem to die a lot when using him. I have better survival rate with the Batarian Sentinel on Gold.

I might be going online tonight. See you and HBSWong for some Platinum runs?

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Eric Fagnan wrote...


[*]Piranha damage reduction.

Now it´s official. classes that rely heavily on weapons are not welcome to Multiplayer. Whoever wants to play a destroyer, if he simply can play a slayer, hide behind a wall and spam biotic strike - the one button wonder. Just yesterday I played a game where I had about 80.000 points on FBWGG farm run ( N7 destroyer, Typhoon 1 and Piranha V ), and the slayer, just by pressing his one button made something about 130.000 points. And you REALLY want to nerf weapon based classes in their options?

Thanks guys, you are best at balancing.


Edit: What is wrong with you guys? How about adressing the unloved weapon categories instead of nerfing usable weapons into the dust? Do you really think it´s fine, that due to shield gate mechanism A M98-Widow is simply one of the worst weapons to choose on gold? Literally a rifle that was build to destroy light tanks ( Anti Material rifle ) isn´t able to oneshot a geth trooper? Apart from the fact that nobody wants to snipe anymore anyway thanks to the various methods of making the screen shake like it´s world war 3 and lining up shots is next ti impossible anyway... /rant

Modifié par Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout, 08 août 2012 - 08:49 .

[BiO]

They should have increased it's weight, not decrease it's damage! And buff the ton of useless Rare weapons.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

BiO_MaN wrote...

They should have increased it's weight, not decrease it's damage! And buff the ton of useless Rare weapons.

Damn right! That would be the best fix. Make it as heavy as a claymore, I don´t care! The destroyer was built around being able to ignore weapon weight, so make the weapon unuseable to tech/biotic classes and we are good to go!

[Aethyl]

Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

They should have increased it's weight, not decrease it's damage! And buff the ton of useless Rare weapons.

Damn right! That would be the best fix. Make it as heavy as a claymore, I don´t care! The destroyer was built around being able to ignore weapon weight, so make the weapon unuseable to tech/biotic classes and we are good to go!

Huh? Lol no? Go to hell?

Vanguards should have the possibility to use good shotguns as well, not only those gun buffers classes.
A damage reduction won't hurt them alot anyway. <_<

Modifié par Aethyl, 08 août 2012 - 08:52 .

[WaffleCrab]

Soo lets get this straight, why it is silly to nerf the piranha. By reducing its damage, they would make it just.... a scimitar... YAY!!!! so now we have a rare, that is on par(and still less accurate) than an uncommon, then on the other hand, if they would increase its weight, it would not be affected in the hands of classes that can utilize it to its fullest. I predict piranha will be gathering dust on our gun racks post nerf and we all go back to reload canceling with claymores or GPS's if the nerf hits too hard.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 08 août 2012 - 08:57 .

[St3v3H]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...
[...]



[*]Piranha damage reduction.

Wait a second, ... that doesn't make sense. First you buffed the weapon damage after you released it and now you are going to nerf it again?

Do you have any idea what you are doing? Because evidently, you didn't at one point or the other.

Doesn't make sense to me either...                         

[WaffleCrab]

Aethyl wrote...

Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

They should have increased it's weight, not decrease it's damage! And buff the ton of useless Rare weapons.

Damn right! That would be the best fix. Make it as heavy as a claymore, I don´t care! The destroyer was built around being able to ignore weapon weight, so make the weapon unuseable to tech/biotic classes and we are good to go!

Huh? Lol no? Go to hell?

Vanguards should have the possibility to use good shotguns as well, not only those gun buffers classes.
A damage reduction won't hurt them alot anyway. <_<

20-25% damage reduction would make it as bad or worse than scimitar. which is an uncommon btw -.- considering scimitar has less spread than piranha. about the same fire rate if you tap the button, but weighs less.... so even if the damage nerf is 15%-20% people will still have serious difficulties making a choice over a rare or an uncommon that weighs less, has practicly the same rof and slightly better accuracy >_<

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Aethyl wrote...

Huh? Lol no? Go to hell?

Vanguards should have the possibility to use good shotguns as well, not only those gun buffers classes.
A damage reduction won't hurt them alot anyway. <_<

If Vanguards have to suffer, so that at LEAST ONE Soldier class is viable to be played, so be it. Vanguards have other options. Soldiers have much less. I DOn´t WANT vanguards to be nerfed. They deserver some love, exspecially with the magnectic hands banshee and all... but if Bioware wants to nerf the piranha, lowering the damage isnt the way to go and would make the piranha unfit for vanguards anyway. So what´s the point?

Some more random ranting: Fully skilled in destroyer mode you need at least 20-30 Shots with EB/SC and ammo mod III with the piranha to take down a boss. What is so insanely good about this that it needs to be nerfed? Tech classes can solo bosses in the same time, without ammo and producing nice AOE damage while on the go.

I JUST DON´T UNDERSTAND IT!

Modifié par Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout, 08 août 2012 - 09:02 .

[Raphamon]

At this point I'm more interested in fixes for bugs/glitches than nerfs to weapons/characters. If Bioware would spend less time nerfing all the weapons/characters/powers to all hell and more time on bug fixing then that would go a long way to making the game more enjoyable for everyone.

[Escocido]

Well it's back to the Graal for my Kroguard, I guess. It was good while it lasted.

[Archonsg]

Bait and switch.
Typhoon was the "main event", Piranha the "fluffer".
Now that those who would buy BW/MS/Sony points or whatever it is they use, have already done so, time to "balance" these guns to "normalcy" and make them just a tad better then their rare counterparts so that you would be wowed by the next round of "OPed" guns.

On a side note, wonder when they are going to slide down that slippery slope and nerf biotic and tech powers into "normalcy".

[Klokos]

All the butthurt, all the overreaction, all the misunderstanding on how things works.

Just your typical day on the BSN.

[RomanowRomanow]

does the stuff really have to be delayed so many times? how much effort it takes to switch one number in an editor to another number?

[DivineAtropos]

friedricethem0n wrote...
Also, try using a Pirahna X with no weapon mods and consumable gears on Gold. You will realize that without AP ammo IV, Shredder mod V and Smart Choke V, this weapon is jank.

1/10, fail troll attempt is fail.

[Escocido]

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Modifié par Escocido, 08 août 2012 - 09:11 .

[Imp of the Perverse]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Aethyl wrote...

Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

They should have increased it's weight, not decrease it's damage! And buff the ton of useless Rare weapons.

Damn right! That would be the best fix. Make it as heavy as a claymore, I don´t care! The destroyer was built around being able to ignore weapon weight, so make the weapon unuseable to tech/biotic classes and we are good to go!

Huh? Lol no? Go to hell?

Vanguards should have the possibility to use good shotguns as well, not only those gun buffers classes.
A damage reduction won't hurt them alot anyway. <_<

20-25% damage reduction would make it as bad or worse than scimitar...

I... don't think that's right. Right now a piranha does a little bit more than 3 times as much damage as a scimitar. A 25% reduction would make it about 2.25 times. So it'd be like dual wielding scimitars (plus a bit.)

Modifié par Imp of the Perverse, 08 août 2012 - 09:17 .