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[Joey Foster]

This is probably a duplicate thread of another thread which is a duplicate of another, so sorry, I'd rather just create my own thread than finding someone's else's
Also there obvious spoilers.

Anyway, so I'm trying to get Alistair to marry Anora and I'm going to recruit Loghain, Ive got Master Coercion and 23 Cunning. NOTE: I don't think I "hardened" Alistair after his quest, not sure though, is it neccersary for this outcome?
I've talked to Anora before the Landsmeet and discussed the proposal of Alistair and herself to marry, Alistair agrees and after I informed Anora, she seems fairly happy. So at the landsmeet, I won, Loghain settled it with my PC over a duel, he surrenders, the proposal of the joining comes up and Alistair starts his rant.

Now I come to the point where I have 3 options,
. I stand by Alistair. He'll be the new king.
. You're right. Anora take the crown.
. I thought the two of you were going to marry?

Now I pick the the third option and Alistairs all like "And I thought the whole idea was to bring Loghain to justice! Funny how plan change, isn't it?"
Now I cant make them marry, so whats gone wrong here?
I watched a video on youtube and when he got the the part I was on, he had the first same two options, but his third one was slightly different, it was "(Pursade) I thought maybe the two of you could marry?" and in the video Alistairs was all like "Fine I will maqrry, I don't care anymore blah blah".

Why is his option different to mine? Anora and Alistair agreed to marry before the landsmeet, why won't they marry now?
I'm thinking its something to do with not hardening Alistair after his personal quest? Is there a way to harden him afterwards? Do you need a hardened Alistair to marry Anora, can you not work around it? Is it something to do with our friendship, he was at about 85-90%?

Cheers,
Joey.

Modifié par Joey Foster, 21 décembre 2009 - 11:05 .

[bas273]

If Loghain is conscripted into the Grey Wardens, Alistair leaves
Ferelden and becomes a wandering drunkard. (Unless of course you harden
his personality during his personal quest, and then subsequently
convince him and Anora to marry - in which case he will still choose to
become King but will no longer directly support you in your efforts
against the Blight.) [from the Dragon Age Wikia]


So you must harden him first.

[Joey Foster]

bas273 wrote...

If Loghain is conscripted into the Grey Wardens, Alistair leaves
Ferelden and becomes a wandering drunkard. (Unless of course you harden
his personality during his personal quest, and then subsequently
convince him and Anora to marry - in which case he will still choose to
become King but will no longer directly support you in your efforts
against the Blight.) [from the Dragon Age Wikia]


So you must harden him first.

Thats a shame, hopeing this wasn't the case...
Still, I'm going to side with Anora, she makes a better ruler of Fereldan.

Thanks.

Modifié par Joey Foster, 21 décembre 2009 - 11:49 .

[keesio74]

Alistair steps up at the end.... even if unhardened. It just takes more convincing and dealing with more whining from him. But at the end, it works out.

[termokanden]

In my case he just left in anger. I tried my best though. Don't think I've ever felt so bad about a decision I made in a game before

[Gaidren]

The worst part of it all is when you inspect Loghain's talent tree and realize you've traded a well built/optimized tank (Alistair) for a guy with under 40 Str/Dex and *one point* in the Shield Wall talent line. W..t..f. If you aren't playing with Respec Mod it's a real /facepalm moment.

[termokanden]

Hehe you're right about that. I did indeed /facepalm when I finally inspected Loghain yesterday. Alistair had much better stats.



But hey, Loghain has insane Willpower. Not that he needs it

[Ponce de Leon]

I enjoyed Loghain's conversation with Dog. And besides, let Alistair die. Even mr. Beardy Duncan said "There ish no turning back"

[Baalzie]

Alistair deserves death...
Ali throughout the whole game:
"GreyWardens and Duncan heaven blablablah don't DARE leave, don't suggest it! You be da devil if you do!"
Same Ali not being allowed to kill someone:
"****** off! I'm done! I'll be king but I won't lift a sword against the darkspawn! Because Like by not killing DS I'm showing my disrespect for You personally... Uhm In my fairyfantasyworld anyhow... Not like I sell Out humanity and the world and Grey Wardens and Duncan especially! Right?"

*sigh* Kill the frigging whiney idiot already!

And On Topic:
You NEED to harden him, no matter Your coercionskills it'll fail otherwise, don't  let anyone lie and say differently!
Why on earth You'd WANT to is another story... I try and convince him, then after having him selling out the world for petty vengeance after all that whining, I let Anora Off him!

Modifié par Baalzie, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:47 .

[Joey Foster]

My Alistair's stats were good be he still sucked in combat, so im not bothered about tradeing him in!
Anyway, I got Loghain now and I'll let him kill the Arch-deamon, after that I'll just make up a part in my epilogue where I find Alistair, he forgives me but we don't become friends and i'll hand him some money to get back on his feet or something.

Was thinking about allowing Anora to behead him, I thought it would be a little harsh...
Anyway thanks for the help guys/girls.

Modifié par Joey Foster, 22 décembre 2009 - 11:45 .

[wxman]

You don't have to "harden" Alistair to get them to marry, but if he is not hardened you will have to kill Loghain, and you cant let Alistar kill him because then Annora will refuse to marry the man that killed her father.

[Gaidren]

wxman wrote...

You don't have to "harden" Alistair to get them to marry, but if he is not hardened you will have to kill Loghain, and you cant let Alistar kill him because then Annora will refuse to marry the man that killed her father.

Correct, you just have to "harden" him if you want him to marry Anora *and* want to let Loghain live.

[Zeitan]

I'have the same problem...

Alistair is "friendly" 100/100 (I think he is hardened enough!) but the game give me no possibility of persuasion...

[BigBad]

This chart is extremely helpful when navigating the Landsmeet in order to produce a specific outcome: http://dragonage.wik...ssible_Outcomes

[tonnactus]

termokanden wrote...

Hehe you're right about that. I did indeed /facepalm when I finally inspected Loghain yesterday. Alistair had much better stats.

But hey, Loghain has insane Willpower. Not that he needs it

His high willpower is not that bad because it let him use his shield attacks often.I used an unchanged loghain on nightmare and he was decent enough. Didnt see much difference compared with Alistair.

[Zeitan]

BigBad wrote...

This chart is extremely helpful when navigating the Landsmeet in order to produce a specific outcome: http://dragonage.wik...ssible_Outcomes

I tried several times following the advices in that page but i had always the same outcome...also with another pg

[IanPolaris]

tonnactus wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Hehe you're right about that. I did indeed /facepalm when I finally inspected Loghain yesterday. Alistair had much better stats.

But hey, Loghain has insane Willpower. Not that he needs it

His high willpower is not that bad because it let him use his shield attacks often.I used an unchanged loghain on nightmare and he was decent enough. Didnt see much difference compared with Alistair.

Yeah but that high willpower comes at the expense of strength.  Without respec, Logain is a severe dissapointment.  He can't even wear the armor he needs as a defensive sword and board fighter.  There's only so fast the talents refresh and thus only so many times you want to use them.  Give me better strength over WP anyday.

-Polaris

[tonnactus]

IanPolaris wrote...


Yeah but that high willpower comes at the expense of strength.  Without respec, Logain is a severe dissapointment.  He can't even wear the armor he needs as a defensive sword and board fighter.

-Polaris

What? First,his riverdane armor is not that bad, just ugly for me(i make him a templar and give him the knight commander armor). There are also enough things that gives higher strenght as an enchantement.Harvest Festival ring,ring of the warrior,two examples,key of the city,the helm you get when you free shale,the vanguard mace.(the rings/helm are only needed to equip loghain and can be removed after that)
I can equip every armor on loghain without respec. I not even give Alistair more then 32 strenght in fact.
He could still wear the knight commander armor.
Not his low strenght is such a problem.
I rather have more dexterity.
But with rally and howes shield(and the warcry debuff),his defense is still decent enough.

Modifié par tonnactus, 16 décembre 2010 - 09:36 .