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[I Tsunayoshi I]

shreddy91 wrote...

I personally hate the modern portrayal of Ninjas. I think people don't really understand what ninja's really were (not saying I do), I think the "stance" is incredibly dumb. Your logic for the use of a sword is reasonable, however my main gripe is the whole "space ninja" persona, and that stupid hand gun thing. The way he put up his barrier during the Coup just seemed like a middle schooler's solution to winning an RPG. If you want a blade, why not have an assassin who specializes in a combat knife or something?

Like Thane Said "That assassin should be embarrassed...",

So its stupid when Phantoms do the same thing? He was kitted out with a Phantom's palm blaster and barriers/shielding, why not have him move and do all the same things they do with that equipment.

[ofarrell]

Who cares, you get to break it.

Modifié par ofarrell, 08 août 2012 - 02:40 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Because those are rather weak (and transparent) justifications for simply including because ninja are "cool." Keeping an F-S, KABAR, or whatever-have-you on-hand makes sense. Using a katana as your primary weapon and wild somersaulting as means of locomotion does not. Kinetic barriers aren't that durable in the ME universe; your stupid arse would be full of bullet holes before getting anywhere near the intended target.

This is actually an observable phenomenon in-game, where Kai Leng should have died upwards of a hundred times per encounter were it not for his invulnerability, cutscene incompetence field, and his plot armour, which is thicker than the collective user bases of Reddit and 9Gag combined.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 08 août 2012 - 02:49 .

[silentassassin264]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Because those are rather weak (and transparent) justifications for simply including because ninja are "cool." Keeping an F-S, KABAR, or whatever-have-you on-hand makes sense. Using a katana as your primary weapon and wild somersaulting as means of locomotion does not. Kinetic barriers aren't that durable in the ME universe; your stupid arse would be full of bullet holes before getting anywhere near the intended target.

This is actually an observable phenomenon in-game, where Kai Leng should have died upwards of a hundred times per encounter were it not for his invulnerability, cutscene incompetence field, and his plot armour, which is thicker than the collective user bases of Reddit and 9Gag combined.

I thought it was pretty clear his kinetic barriers were stronger than any one elses in the game.  I assume it was Reaper Tech but since he had strong enough shields to do that it made perfect sense.  He also had that annoying palm gun for fighting at range so he had everything covered.  There is no tactical flaw in Kai Leng's operation.  Sure the flips and stuff looked silly but it makes him pretty hard to hit flickering in and out of visible range with the Big Iron so it was effective.  

[CrimsonN7]

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Modifié par CrimsonN7, 08 août 2012 - 02:56 .

[Hey]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Because those are rather weak (and transparent) justifications for simply including because ninja are "cool." Keeping an F-S, KABAR, or whatever-have-you on-hand makes sense. Using a katana as your primary weapon and wild somersaulting as means of locomotion does not. Kinetic barriers aren't that durable in the ME universe; your stupid arse would be full of bullet holes before getting anywhere near the intended target.

This is actually an observable phenomenon in-game, where Kai Leng should have died upwards of a hundred times per encounter were it not for his invulnerability, cutscene incompetence field, and his plot armour, which is thicker than the collective user bases of Reddit and 9Gag combined.

"invulnerability, cutscene incompetence field" They need to get better at this.  Cutscenes more on par with gameplay.  Also, if I'm a biotic I want to be throwing S**t around cinematially.

Swords should be used but not from 20 yards away

[commanderkai]

I think the moment I disliked Kai Leng as a character was Thessia. On the Citadel, it's not bad, but that battle on Thessia was rather outrageous. There is no way you can "win" that battle. Target the helicopter? Nope. Basically how he was "victorious" was rather cheap.

[silentassassin264]

commanderkai wrote...

I think the moment I disliked Kai Leng as a character was Thessia. On the Citadel, it's not bad, but that battle on Thessia was rather outrageous. There is no way you can "win" that battle. Target the helicopter? Nope. Basically how he was "victorious" was rather cheap.

That is why I liked Kai Leng, kind of like how I like Joffrey from Game of Thrones.  The fact that Kai Leng had a blatantly rigged fight and then sent that email gloating...I just wanted to eviscerate him.  A character that makes you want to kill them that badly is a good character in my book.

[bloodstalker1973]

Because I grew up in the 80's, so regardless of whatever information the game may give me about how/why it might work, this is all I can think whenever I see Kai Leng.

www.youtube.com/watch 

[Scottus4]

I didn't find Kai Leng to be that outrageous. I did think that was retarded though when Thane rushed towards him and leaped into the air at him when his opponent had a sword and he had a gun. It was meant to make Kai Leng look like a bad ass, but it just made Thane look like a fool... when Thane was supposed to be one of the greatest assassins around.

Then again, I felt like Bioware did that a lot; they didn't really consider the consequences of decisions. Starchild is the most obvious example of this.

[silentassassin264]

Scottus4 wrote...

I didn't find Kai Leng to be that outrageous. I did think that was retarded though when Thane rushed towards him and leaped into the air at him when his opponent had a sword and he had a gun. It was meant to make Kai Leng look like a bad ass, but it just made Thane look like a fool... when Thane was supposed to be one of the greatest assassins around.

Then again, I felt like Bioware did that a lot; they didn't really consider the consequences of decisions. Starchild is the most obvious example of this.

Well to Thane's credit, they did say in ME2 he much prefered close combat fighting (even though he had a sniper rifle).  Maybe he felt he could take the sword on at close range.  I like to think that Thane would have disarmed Kai Leng or otherwise had something planned but his sickness made him too slow to actually execute it.  

[Shaleist]

Swords are antiquated as weapons of war now. And I hate to say it, but they have been for centuries. Even when they were in fashion, they were generally not the best thing to have in front line combat. Before anyone says something dumb about samurai just remember, they actually worked a lot on archery as well *because greater weapon engagement ranges = keeping your ass alive*. I wasn't aware people hated Khai Leng for his sword though... I thought it was because he was a horribly bland and hollow villain? The sword is just anachronistic if anything.

[CrimsonN7]

Shaleist wrote...

I wasn't aware people hated Khai Leng for his sword though... I thought it was because he was a horribly bland and hollow villain? The sword is just anachronistic if anything.

Yeah him having a sword didn't bug me at all, whatever good Drew did for his character was destroyed in ME3 and of course that book, seriously eating Anderson's cereal:lol: That whole prima ballerina display he puts on ugh freaking lame Bioware, can't believe we had to endure that guy besting us twice<_<

[The Twilight God]

silentassassin264 wrote...

 In the Mass Effect Universe, the primary defenses infantry types use are kinetic shields.  The kinetic shields are very good at stopping the mass accelerated shrapnel "bullets" of the ME universe but cannot do much of anything versus say a bulding falling on you, a punch, or you know a sword.  The logical conclusion to this would assume your enemies are using Mass Accelerated particle gun types that are the standard so carry strong kinetic shields/dodge bullets? and use a sword or otherwise kinetic barrier defying melee weapon.  You opponents will not have much to counter with.  Standard armor seems to be all about produces kinetic shields not really being physical protection "armor".  When Shepard's shields go down, health is the next to get damaged immediately because the "armor" provides no armor unless you or Grunt (or other Krogan or Vorcha who don't use shields in the first place).

In short, Kai Leng is a genius.

Probably because he doesn't use them in books and he went from a serious character to a goofy teenage cyborg ninja phantom trying to hard to be a badass. People hated how Shepard acts like he was defeated by this goof. He didn't beat anyone. A gunship blew up a building and collapsed a floor... with no foundation. The entire scene is contrived.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 08 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[silentassassin264]

The Twilight God wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

 In the Mass Effect Universe, the primary defenses infantry types use are kinetic shields.  The kinetic shields are very good at stopping the mass accelerated shrapnel "bullets" of the ME universe but cannot do much of anything versus say a bulding falling on you, a punch, or you know a sword.  The logical conclusion to this would assume your enemies are using Mass Accelerated particle gun types that are the standard so carry strong kinetic shields/dodge bullets? and use a sword or otherwise kinetic barrier defying melee weapon.  You opponents will not have much to counter with.  Standard armor seems to be all about produces kinetic shields not really being physical protection "armor".  When Shepard's shields go down, health is the next to get damaged immediately because the "armor" provides no armor unless you or Grunt (or other Krogan or Vorcha who don't use shields in the first place).

In short, Kai Leng is a genius.

Probably because he doesn't use them in books and he went from a serious character to a goofy teenage cyborg ninja phantom trying to hard to be a badass. People hated how Shepard acts like he was defeated by this goof. He didn't beat anyone. A gunship blew up a building and collapsed a floor... with no foundation. The entire scene is contrived.

 I never read the books so you have me at a disadvantage.  But in the game I didn't really see him as a goofy character trying to be badass.  I saw him as a douche trying to get under your skin.  I like I said previously, he was so obnoxious I really wanted him dead so I would say mission accomplished.

[RuthlessGravity]

I didn't mind the sword. What I did mind was Kai Leng's ****** personality. He acted like a kid who gets worked up too easily and emails you to rub his victory in your face whenever he actually thinks he punches you.

[Cobalt2113]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Because those are rather weak (and transparent) justifications for simply including because ninja are "cool." Keeping an F-S, KABAR, or whatever-have-you on-hand makes sense. Using a katana as your primary weapon and wild somersaulting as means of locomotion does not. Kinetic barriers aren't that durable in the ME universe; your stupid arse would be full of bullet holes before getting anywhere near the intended target.

This is actually an observable phenomenon in-game, where Kai Leng should have died upwards of a hundred times per encounter were it not for his invulnerability, cutscene incompetence field, and his plot armour, which is thicker than the collective user bases of Reddit and 9Gag combined.

Not that I'm trying to defend Kai Leng as a character... But Stealth was obviously his modus operandi. He wouldn't be running straight at a target and getting shot at. He'd sneak up behind them and slit their throat like the scientists on Thessia. Remember, assassin, not line trooper.

[Bill Casey]

If you bring Vega on the Citadel Coup mission, he goes "I just gotta say. Swords? SERIOUSLY???"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 août 2012 - 07:04 .

[shepdog77]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

But Stealth was obviously his modus operandi. He wouldn't be running straight at a target and getting shot at. He'd sneak up behind them and slit their throat like the scientists on Thessia. Remember, assassin, not line trooper.

To put it in simply, he's a biotic infiltrator.  He uses Tactical Cloak to gain position on his enemies, and instead of guns he uses biotics at a distance.  No matter what you think of his character, the guy is a deadly fighter.  The sword is just for quick kills at close range.  

He is a former N7 operative after all.

Modifié par shepdog77, 08 août 2012 - 06:56 .

[EnvyTB075]

Because some people (like myself) see it as one of the most insulting things added to ME, the Space Ninja.

I'm sorry but it really is quite pathetic.

[inko1nsiderate]

silentassassin264 wrote...


 I never read the books so you have me at a disadvantage.  But in the game I didn't really see him as a goofy character trying to be badass.  I saw him as a douche trying to get under your skin.  I like I said previously, he was so obnoxious I really wanted him dead so I would say mission accomplished.

In the books he is more of a brooding, generic, xenophobe who is good at sneaking around and has incredible pain tolerance. He did kill a few Turians pretty quickly after getting the drop on them, but most of the book he isn't allowed to kill the main protagonists (either by direct order or through plot armor) so he comes off just as impotent as he does in ME3.   Saren made a far better antagonist in the first ME book, and was even better in the book than in game.  Seeing how Saren thinks is downright chilling.  I think Kai Leng was a more appropriate antagonist in ME3.  He might be somewhat bland, but at least you don't have to hear him complaining about how horrible aliens are everytime he sees one.

[StrawHatMoose]

And yet he still needs a ****ing gunship to help him fight shepard. What a badass......
Anyway, it's not too smart when my shepard has biotics waiting to explode. And shepard can break his sword with his hands.

Modifié par StrawHatMoose, 08 août 2012 - 07:04 .

[ediskrad327]

the sword didn't bother me, in fact it's nice to have him use something unique different to the other enemies we have fought....at least in theory he just ended up being a phantom with plot shields (that fight could have been done much better). what did bother me is that he felt like a flat villain and not very memorable. but hey! at least he was not stealing cereal or p!ssing in vases this time

[StrawHatMoose]

shepdog77 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

But Stealth was obviously his modus operandi. He wouldn't be running straight at a target and getting shot at. He'd sneak up behind them and slit their throat like the scientists on Thessia. Remember, assassin, not line trooper.

To put it in simply, he's a biotic infiltrator.  He uses Tactical Cloak to gain position on his enemies, and instead of guns he uses biotics at a distance.  No matter what you think of his character, the guy is a deadly fighter.  The sword is just for quick kills at close range.  

He is a former N7 operative after all.

To put it simply, he's a sentinel with tac cloak. He has no combat powers, so he isn't an infiltrator. Tac cloak is tech, and he also has biotics, making him a sentinel.

[Grubas]

plotarmor, stereotypical antagonist, to much screentime. dont mind his sword, but i shoul not fight him thrice, in a game where everything else has been cut short.