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[HollowSunsets]

silentassassin264 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

 In the Mass Effect Universe, the primary defenses infantry types use are kinetic shields.  The kinetic shields are very good at stopping the mass accelerated shrapnel "bullets" of the ME universe but cannot do much of anything versus say a bulding falling on you, a punch, or you know a sword.  The logical conclusion to this would assume your enemies are using Mass Accelerated particle gun types that are the standard so carry strong kinetic shields/dodge bullets? and use a sword or otherwise kinetic barrier defying melee weapon.  You opponents will not have much to counter with.  Standard armor seems to be all about produces kinetic shields not really being physical protection "armor".  When Shepard's shields go down, health is the next to get damaged immediately because the "armor" provides no armor unless you or Grunt (or other Krogan or Vorcha who don't use shields in the first place).

In short, Kai Leng is a genius.

Probably because he doesn't use them in books and he went from a serious character to a goofy teenage cyborg ninja phantom trying to hard to be a badass. People hated how Shepard acts like he was defeated by this goof. He didn't beat anyone. A gunship blew up a building and collapsed a floor... with no foundation. The entire scene is contrived.

 I never read the books so you have me at a disadvantage.  But in the game I didn't really see him as a goofy character trying to be badass.  I saw him as a douche trying to get under your skin.  I like I said previously, he was so obnoxious I really wanted him dead so I would say mission accomplished.

Bella Swan is an annoying character.She makes me have homicidal thoughts. Does that mean she is a well written character because she elicits a response from me? Hell no. 

Same with Kai Leng. He is a lame, stereotypical space ninja. The sword was probably not included for the purposes you've stated, more likely to complete his space ninja ensemble. 

[Zan51]

This - Epic moment.

I did steel sword re-enactment for 28 years, using a sword similar to that but 10th C Magyar version. Also did some Kendo. You're committed to 2 hands mostly, and with that tip, is should be a slightly curved blade, meaning the cutting power is not stabbing, or slicing, but rushing past and letting the blade weight on the curve near the tip do the cutting as you pass your opponent. The straighter Japanese blade has a straight angled tip, not a curved one - Wakizashi - and is 4.7" shorter than the curved Katana which is 28.7" long.

Any martial artist knows you need to engage the enemy at no more than arm's length if using a sword, and those of us who have engaged in not only scripted fights but free for all melees, know that close in, a 2 hander is not an advantage. Shep's omniblade is better close in as she has room to maneuver and use it, a sword blade takes, literally, elbow room.

So Leng has biotics, but he is artificially amped up for the game, not a "real" biotic using a blade, like say, Jack or Liara. That's why I think he's a pretty useless anachronism in their time. He's there to look pretty, maybe pander to the Anime lovers, whatever.
The only class that could effectively use such a weapon would be the one that has the biotic "speed rush" skill so they are suddenly in the face, literally, of the enemy,. And then a 12-18" blade would be best, or an omniblade.

Modifié par Zan51, 08 août 2012 - 07:15 .

[Constant Motion]

Was never upset - forgot about it after about thirty minutes, just became part of his character - but I find the whole ninja thing REALLY corny. It's a bit 13-year-oldy. "Oh my god and then we could have a ninja and he's like WHOOOOOOSH and he's got a samurai sword and he can do all these biotic powers and he's always one step ahead and--" it just feels a little... comicbook.

Like I said. Fine after a few minutes. Got used to it. But I did roll my eyes when he first appeared. "Come on, really?"

Modifié par Constant Motion, 08 août 2012 - 07:24 .

[RadioKon]

Weird, I thought space ninjas would be too video-gamey.

[M920CAIN]

silentassassin264 wrote...

 In the Mass Effect Universe, the primary defenses infantry types use are kinetic shields.  The kinetic shields are very good at stopping the mass accelerated shrapnel "bullets" of the ME universe but cannot do much of anything versus say a bulding falling on you, a punch, or you know a sword.  The logical conclusion to this would assume your enemies are using Mass Accelerated particle gun types that are the standard so carry strong kinetic shields/dodge bullets? and use a sword or otherwise kinetic barrier defying melee weapon.  You opponents will not have much to counter with.  Standard armor seems to be all about produces kinetic shields not really being physical protection "armor".  When Shepard's shields go down, health is the next to get damaged immediately because the "armor" provides no armor unless you or Grunt (or other Krogan or Vorcha who don't use shields in the first place).

In short, Kai Leng is a genius.

Shepard blocks Kai Leng's sword and rips it to shreds with his armor, so a sword penetrating armor is far fetched.

That said, I didn't mind Kai Leng's sword. What I didn't like were 2 things: those stupid glasses (mask whatever) and he wasn't properly developed as a bad guy type character. Think of it, Saren was pretty well developed, The Illusive Man (at least in ME2), Kai Leng was just.... underwhelming.

Modifié par M920CAIN, 08 août 2012 - 07:55 .

[o Ventus]

In hindsight, Kai Leng's ninjato (Which is supposed to be able to cut through Shepard's armor like butter) is pretty worthless if Shepard can backhand it and make it shatter.

[EnvyTB075]

Sora Kitano wrote...

shreddy91 wrote...

I personally hate the modern portrayal of Ninjas. I think people don't really understand what ninja's really were (not saying I do), I think the "stance" is incredibly dumb. Your logic for the use of a sword is reasonable, however my main gripe is the whole "space ninja" persona, and that stupid hand gun thing. The way he put up his barrier during the Coup just seemed like a middle schooler's solution to winning an RPG. If you want a blade, why not have an assassin who specializes in a combat knife or something?

Like Thane Said "That assassin should be embarrassed...",

So its stupid when Phantoms do the same thing? He was kitted out with a Phantom's palm blaster and barriers/shielding, why not have him move and do all the same things they do with that equipment.

The Phantoms are stupid too, its not only reserved to Kai Leng. Oh and the N7 classes in multiplayer...

Zan51 wrote...
He's there to look pretty, maybe pander to the Anime lovers, whatever.

I love anime, i hate everything about KL, the Phantoms and the N7 kits.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 08 août 2012 - 08:24 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Kei Leng and his sword came off a bit camp. It didnt work.

Sorta like watching batman begins and then they throw in randomly bits of Adam Wests campy batman.

[Discouraged_one]

Adam Jensen got promoted

He never asked for this XD

[v TricKy v]

Discouraged_one wrote...

Adam Jensen got promoted

He never asked for this XD

Did you just compare Adam Jensen with Kai Leng?

You are a horrible person for even thinking about it

[Discouraged_one]

v TricKy v wrote...

Discouraged_one wrote...

Adam Jensen got promoted

He never asked for this XD

Did you just compare Adam Jensen with Kai Leng?

You are a horrible person for even thinking about it

I'm sorry... 

Ever since the ending to ME3, I've been acting really, different...these thoughts coming into my head. 

MURDER

Modifié par Discouraged_one, 08 août 2012 - 09:05 .

[v TricKy v]

Discouraged_one wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

Discouraged_one wrote...

Adam Jensen got promoted

He never asked for this XD

Did you just compare Adam Jensen with Kai Leng?

You are a horrible person for even thinking about it

I'm sorry... 

Ever since the ending to ME3, I've been acting really, different...these thoughts coming into my head. 

MURDER

I understand
Just let the fire of the Enkindlers burn in your heart. It will give you strenght once again.

[Hendrik.III]

It's the ridiculous somersaults and the sword combined that make me laugh hardest at Kai Leng. I think we all proved his ineffectiveness during the game, didn't we?

Kai Leng and the phantoms were just to make things look cool by adding ninja style opponents that were hard hitting. Justifying the use of swords in a high-tech sci-fi universe works only when the sword itself is high-tech, like light sabers.

[Thaa_solon]

Well.......It's kinda stupid to bring a sword to a gunfight

[shreddy91]

Sora Kitano wrote...

shreddy91 wrote...

I personally hate the modern portrayal of Ninjas. I think people don't really understand what ninja's really were (not saying I do), I think the "stance" is incredibly dumb. Your logic for the use of a sword is reasonable, however my main gripe is the whole "space ninja" persona, and that stupid hand gun thing. The way he put up his barrier during the Coup just seemed like a middle schooler's solution to winning an RPG. If you want a blade, why not have an assassin who specializes in a combat knife or something?

Like Thane Said "That assassin should be embarrassed...",

So its stupid when Phantoms do the same thing? He was kitted out with a Phantom's palm blaster and barriers/shielding, why not have him move and do all the same things they do with that equipment.

The existance of biotic barries is acceptable, but the way it was portrayed in the cut scene gave me my reaction. I dislike Phantoms almost as much.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't make Kai Leng any less ridiculous.

"SHUT UP!" - Kai Leng

Well true his comebacks were hilariously bad but that doesn't change the fact that his setup made perfect sense.  His kinetic shields can deal with your weapon and you have nothing to protect against a sword through the chest.  

Just because it killed an injured Drell, does not mean it kills everything on one hit. In that case everyone would be walking around with swords.

In matter of fact, the reason the sword killed Thane on one hit was because it was a plot sword, just like you can kill the VS with one pistol shot during the coup.

Also, my sword doesn't kill everything on one hit in MP.

[flanny]

the sword only works when combined with plot armour, that makes Kai Lengs appearances look stupid, though I the sword is just one of the many reasons people find him annoying.

Though I suppose a sword works when given to a 'cereal killer' who like to pee in people's vases.

[BDelacroix]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't make Kai Leng any less ridiculous.

"SHUT UP!" - Kai Leng

Well true his comebacks were hilariously bad but that doesn't change the fact that his setup made perfect sense.  His kinetic shields can deal with your weapon and you have nothing to protect against a sword through the chest.  

I have the indiana jones solution which worked many many many times except for the plot armor.

The sword just made him over the top silly.  He was already silly.  I hope they never intended for me to take him seriously, because I didn't.  If they did intend for me to take him seriously, they need more practice writing bad guys.  Try getting the book "The Book of Vile Darkness".  Yes its a source book for D&D but its premise is to discuss the motivations and activities of evil characters.  Bufoonery is not a trait of a well done villain.

[MadRabbit999]

silentassassin264 wrote...

 In the Mass Effect Universe, the primary defenses infantry types use are kinetic shields.  The kinetic shields are very good at stopping the mass accelerated shrapnel "bullets" of the ME universe but cannot do much of anything versus say a bulding falling on you, a punch, or you know a sword.  The logical conclusion to this would assume your enemies are using Mass Accelerated particle gun types that are the standard so carry strong kinetic shields/dodge bullets? and use a sword or otherwise kinetic barrier defying melee weapon.  You opponents will not have much to counter with.  Standard armor seems to be all about produces kinetic shields not really being physical protection "armor".  When Shepard's shields go down, health is the next to get damaged immediately because the "armor" provides no armor unless you or Grunt (or other Krogan or Vorcha who don't use shields in the first place).

In short, Kai Leng is a genius.

Which is exactly 100% identical to the shields Goauld use in SG-1, I think this is well exploited with wood pointy sticks,  in the episodes the SG-1 team clashes with Apophis while meeting the Nox, yet nobody is moaning about that...

But guess what, beacuse is Mass Effect, people has in it for them, everything after they saw the ending is wrong, so it is a lost cause with the haters, don't bother reasoning with them, I gave up ages ago.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 08 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[AxStapleton]

SlyTF1 wrote...

I wish Shepard could use a sword. The ME series should have had better melee combat. ME3 was a step in the right direction, but I would have liked options for swords and daggers and hammers and stuff as along with the standard firearms.

Please tell me your joking. This isn't Warhammer 40K.

[o Ventus]

SlyTF1 wrote...

I wish Shepard could use a sword. The ME series should have had better melee combat. ME3 was a step in the right direction, but I would have liked options for swords and daggers and hammers and stuff as along with the standard firearms.

Warhammer 40k is --> way.

Modifié par o Ventus, 08 août 2012 - 01:38 .

[BerzerkGene]

Probably cause guns beat swords. Thats history.
The sword apparently doesn't ignore kinetic barriers,(considering N7 slayers and shadows use the same swords) i think its mainly to look cool. Because really, how brittle would they be? A decent assault rifle and suddenly you have no sword.
Edit: A second thought occurs to me. It might be because he is a terrible assassin with a sword, the only guy he killed in my game was a dying drell who brought a long range weapon to a melee fight. Not impressive.

Modifié par BerzerkGene, 08 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[EnvyTB075]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

But guess what, beacuse is Mass Effect, people has in it for them, everything after they saw the ending is wrong, so it is a lost cause with the haters, don't bother reasoning with them, I gave up ages ago.

Wrong

[xxskyshadowxx]

I liked that he had a sword....it makes for a much easier kill while I stand out of sword range and blow through his shields...oh but he doesn't have Kinetic shields...he has invisible titanium plot armor. And that what makes him both stupid and annoying.

[macrocarl]

Because BSN likes crying about everything. And since having a sword falls under the category 'everything' it was bound to get flack!