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[andy6915]

I actually just thought of something. Judging from ME3, and looking at the talents of both, Ashley is no better a soldier then Vega. Both Vega and Ashley got their entire unit killed and nothing worthwhile to even show for it. If Ashley is good enough for specter, so is Vega. Is Vega specter material? I would say no. So then, neither is Ashley.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

andy69156915 wrote...

Scottus4 wrote...

As for Ashley getting promoted, I don't think power is taken into consideration. Leadership is the criterion for advancement, and apparently Ashley has some leadership skills. Also, Ashley's lower rank was because she had been held back - I think it is implied she's kicked a lot of ass without getting the promotions she's deserved. Her accelerated track I think is meant to reflect recognition of her prior accomplishments.

Leadership, huh? Like Ashley getting her entire unit killed without any real progress even being made? Even Torfan Shepard, who got his/her entire unit killed, at least made use of their deaths and sacrifices by taking the bunker they were tasked to take. Grim, but their deaths made the mission a success. What did Ashley's unit dying accomplish? Absolutely nothing. Shepard's unit died for something, Ashley's died for nothing whatsoever. Great leadership.

Kaidan's biotic team were apparently kicking ass though. Great leadership, and I don't mean it sarcastically that time.

Now you have proven to me that you are completely daft.

The 212 was outgunned and it was shown how easy the Geth could kill a soldier in the average equipment set given to them. Its drastically much more difficult to stay on a point you are ordered to defend when you are at the disadvantage of being outguned and having superior tech turned against you, ignoring any other advantage the Geth may have had in that situation.

[Mahrac]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[andy6915]

Sora Kitano wrote...

Now you have proven to me that you are completely daft.

The 212 was outgunned and it was shown how easy the Geth could kill a soldier in the average equipment set given to them. Its drastically much more difficult to stay on a point you are ordered to defend when you are at the disadvantage of being outguned and having superior tech turned against you, ignoring any other advantage the Geth may have had in that situation.

So being outgunned means it's fine if you fail? I'll remember to tell my Torfan Shepard that, seeing as she was so outgunned that just breaching that bunkers walls took most of the unit. Or when hitting the Collector base, seeing as it was about, oh... 1,000 to 12, with Collectors having superior weaponry. I guess being outgunned is an excuse to screw up, huh?

Mahrac wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Trolling? I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not making bad points, I'm not bashing ME3, I'm not going off-topic, I'm not posting stupid picures, or anything troll-like. Sounds like you only called me a troll because you disagree.

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 août 2012 - 03:18 .

[I Tsunayoshi I]

andy69156915 wrote...

I actually just thought of something. Judging from ME3, and looking at the talents of both, Ashley is no better a soldier then Vega. Both Vega and Ashley got their entire unit killed and nothing worthwhile to even show for it. If Ashley is good enough for specter, so is Vega. Is Vega specter material? I would say no. So then, neither is Ashley.

More of this nonsense already? Vega's unit got wiped out and he still completed his goal as given to him in his orders. If you even payed attention, you would have remembered that he said that he was rewarded for getting his team killed and it sure as hell didnt sound like he enjoyed being given a promotion for doing something that he saw as a failure.

This may be a bit of a reaching comparison, but considering that Vega gets put forward for N7 training, and seeing that even getting any sort of N designation past 1 requires training in the field. On top of that, making the jump from N6 to N7 is much harder as none of its training is done in any sort of classroom or controled in environment. Trainees going for their N7 designation are thrown into combat zones to prove their worth and with no guarantee that after its all over that they will get to wear the only N designation allowed on a uniform (I do not kid when I say that only N7's are allowed to show off their designation). To say an N7 canidate isnt fit to be a Spectre is about as ignorant as saying that Ashley isnt qualified because she was getting blacklisted by Alliance brass that abused its authority all because they didnt want to see a perceived repeat of her grandfather's surrender happening.

andy69156915 wrote...

Trolling? I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not making bad points, I'm not bashing ME3, I'm not going off-topic, I'm not posting stupid picures, or anything troll-like. Sounds like you only called me a troll because you disagree.

Then you are doing a terrible job of actually presenting anything besides your personal beliefs that Ashley didnt deserve Spectre status.

Modifié par Sora Kitano, 08 août 2012 - 03:21 .

[mango smoothie]

I liked both characters, but I feel both aren't spectre material, Ashley isn't open minded enough, and doesn't posses skills to be a spectre, she is a grunt. Kaidan is also more like a machine, he is told what to do and he does it. If put into a situation where he would have to make a major decision, he would probably take way too long to make that decision.

[andy6915]

Sora Kitano wrote...

More of this nonsense already? Vega's unit got wiped out and he still completed his goal as given to him in his orders. If you even payed attention, you would have remembered that he said that he was rewarded for getting his team killed and it sure as hell didnt sound like he enjoyed being given a promotion for doing something that he saw as a failure.

His goals were to protect the colony. He instead let the colony die to get data that wasn't even needed. That's not completing the goal.

Sora Kitano wrote...
This may be a bit of a reaching comparison, but considering that Vega gets put forward for N7 training, and seeing that even getting any sort of N designation past 1 requires training in the field. On top of that, making the jump from N6 to N7 is much harder as none of its training is done in any sort of classroom or controled in environment. Trainees going for their N7 designation are thrown into combat zones to prove their worth and with no guarantee that after its all over that they will get to wear the only N designation allowed on a uniform (I do not kid when I say that only N7's are allowed to show off their designation). To say an N7 canidate isnt fit to be a Spectre is about as ignorant as saying that Ashley isnt qualified because she was getting blacklisted by Alliance brass that abused its authority all because they didnt want to see a perceived repeat of her grandfather's surrender happening.

I didn't say he would never be specter material, just that he isn't... Yet. After going through all the training for N program, actually getting enough skill and merit to get an N designation (NOT just an option to train to possibly become N, which is what Vega got), then he would probably be worthy of specter. But not before then.

By the way... Did Ashley ever even get the option to train for N? No. That shows, if it shown anything, that Ashley doesn't even have Vega's merits.

[MyChemicalBromance]

The VS's are essentially equal in what they have accomplished, and both were likely chosen by Udina as a ploy against Shepard. Remember also that Alliance Ranks=/=Citadel Ranks.

So...

3/10 Would not read obviously misogynistic dribble again.

Modifié par MyChemicalBromance, 08 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[rdnanez]

i stopped reading after the post about vasir and saren. both were great spectres and very deserving. kaidans a little **** anyway

[Mahrac]

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Trolling? I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not making bad points, I'm not bashing ME3, I'm not going off-topic, I'm not posting stupid picures, or anything troll-like. Sounds like you only called me a troll because you disagree.

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

[andy6915]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

3/10 Would not read obviously misogynistic dribble again.

Um... Lolwut? When did I bring up sex? Not once. For that matter, I just talked about how awesome my female Shepard who has a ruthless backward is, and said Vasir was the best specter besides Shepard that we've seen, better then both Saren and Nihlus. Someone is now now trolling in here, and it isn't me, MyChemicalBromance.

Mahrac wrote...

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff
out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than
competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should
affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

She is competent. But specters are the best of the absolute best. They are worth entire platoons by themselves. A single specter showing up is one step below a fleet showing up. Being competent isn't enough. She is a very good soldier, but you need to be better then "very good" to be specter worthy. Kaidan is either the best or second best biotic in Alliance history, which is better then " very good" or "competent".

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 août 2012 - 03:33 .

[Mahrac]

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff
out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than
competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should
affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

She is competent. But specters are the best of the absolute best. They are worth entire platoons by themselves. A single specter showing up is one step below a fleet showing up. Being competent isn't enough.

Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up:

She's much, much, more than competent.

Modifié par Mahrac, 08 août 2012 - 03:36 .

[andy6915]

Mahrac wrote...

]Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up;

She's much, much, more than competent.

Shepard is always the absolute best in the Alliance at what he/she does. Best sniper, or best soldier, best combat engineer, or best biotic. Kaidan is the best biotic in the Alliance if Shepard didn't take a biotic class, and is second only to Shepard if you did. Can you really say that Ashley is the best soldier in the Alliance, when we know someone like Vega matches her abilities? I don't think we can.

Also, I don't see the "much much more" competence you see. Every accomplishment is Shepard's, she is a very good at killing things but an N candidate (not even actually designated yet) is as good as she is at that same thing.

It's getting obvious that most of the Ashley fans on this board were active when I posted this. Where the heck are the Kaidan supporters? I'm getting swarmed here.

[Rogue Unit]

Mahrac wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff
out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than
competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should
affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

She is competent. But specters are the best of the absolute best. They are worth entire platoons by themselves. A single specter showing up is one step below a fleet showing up. Being competent isn't enough.

Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up:

She's much, much, more than competent.

 

Yeah she's so competent. Which is why Shepard has to save her on Eden Prime and Horizon and Virmire and Mars. She actually runs towards the unarmed homicidal reaper robot that just owned her in hand to hand combat minutes ago. Yeah, real competent.

And if Shepard was really a Cereberus agent like she suspected, she would have gotten herself and the council kill on the Citadel.

Ashley isn't even close to the best of what the Alliace has to offer.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 08 août 2012 - 03:45 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Exactly how did Ashley get the 212 killed?

[The Twilight God]

mjboldy wrote...

Ashley never became a Spectre on my playthroughs if you know what I mean, hehe.... It means she's dead.

Too bad you can't kill that salarain spectre... Shepard meets spectre = spectre dies. That's the rule and Bioware broke that rule. It's like Highlander. In the end there can only be one.

[Auztin]

I still think Kaiden is a ****.This is all opinion based.

[The Twilight God]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Exactly how did Ashley get the 212 killed?

She didn't. They were ambushed by geth and she's the only one who got away. Or am I thinking about something else.

[Mahrac]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff
out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than
competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should
affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

She is competent. But specters are the best of the absolute best. They are worth entire platoons by themselves. A single specter showing up is one step below a fleet showing up. Being competent isn't enough.

Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up:

She's much, much, more than competent.

 

Yeah she's so competent. Which is why Shepard has to save her on Eden Prime and Horizon and Virmire and Mars. She actually runs towards the unarmed homicidal reaper robot that just owned her in hand to hand combat minutes ago. Yeah, real competent.

And if Shepard was really a Cereberus agent like she suspected, she would have gotten herself and the council kill on the Citadel.

Ashley isn't even close to the best of what the Alliace has to offer.

She survived Eden Prime longer than a Spectre did, and don't pull the 'He thought Saren was his friend' card. Any husk she killed was a soldier she knew.

Shepard would have been screwed on Horizon too if he didn't have Mordin.

Both she and Shepard thought that said robot was dead, Ashley just happened to be closer, and said robot only hurts her, it can kill Shepard.

As for the coup, she still trusted Shepard. Even if it wasn't compleatly, the fact that she thought 'maybe he's not with Cerberus' shows a lot of competence in logical deduction. And the ability to think under pressure. Not to mention that Kaiden gets all the same problems, minus Eden Prime, plus possible mental instability and dehabilitating migranes.

Modifié par Mahrac, 08 août 2012 - 03:55 .

[Rogue Unit]

The Twilight God wrote...

mjboldy wrote...

Ashley never became a Spectre on my playthroughs if you know what I mean, hehe.... It means she's dead.

Too bad you can't kill that salarain spectre... Shepard meets spectre = spectre dies. That's the rule and Bioware broke that rule. It's like Highlander. In the end there can only be one.

If you don't have Kasumi, I think you can let the salarian get strangled in favor of stopping Genocide Jellyfish.

[Captain McBuck]

Eh I'm not sure Udina was taking into account eithers service record when he offered the VS Spectre Status, I think he wanted a glorofied bodyguard and to promote someone close to Shepard.

I'll say right off that I think Ash is awesome and that she is a survivor; she has not only survived contact which would have crippled lesser soldiers but thrived - Eden Prime and Horizon, just the two we know about and whatever the hell she did between games. Kaiden's service record is excelent too but I'm not sure he has the same drive and fire as Ash does but Kaiden is more open minded.

[The Twilight God]

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

]Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up;

She's much, much, more than competent.

Shepard is always the absolute best in the Alliance at what he/she does. Best sniper, or best soldier, best combat engineer, or best biotic. Kaidan is the best biotic in the Alliance if Shepard didn't take a biotic class, and is second only to Shepard if you did. Can you really say that Ashley is the best soldier in the Alliance, when we know someone like Vega matches her abilities? I don't think we can.

Also, I don't see the "much much more" competence you see. Every accomplishment is Shepard's, she is a very good at killing things but an N candidate (not even actually designated yet) is as good as she is at that same thing.

It's getting obvious that most of the Ashley fans on this board were active when I posted this. Where the heck are the Kaidan supporters? I'm getting swarmed here.

Personality wise I don't think Kaidan has what it takes to be a Spectre. He seems to nice a guy who couldn;t make the hard decsions. On Sanctuary he took on two brutes while I handled the banshee. So he defnitely has the skills.

[Captain McBuck]

The Twilight God wrote...
Personality wise I don't think Kaidan has what it takes to be a Spectre. He seems to nice a guy who couldn;t make the hard decsions. On Sanctuary he took on two brutes while I handled the banshee. So he defnitely has the skills.

on Cyone Ash took on two Banshees while Shep handled the third...that girl is really mean with a Revenant MG and Marksman.