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[Rogue Unit]

Mahrac wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff
out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than
competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should
affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

She is competent. But specters are the best of the absolute best. They are worth entire platoons by themselves. A single specter showing up is one step below a fleet showing up. Being competent isn't enough.

Which is why I said more than. If this cleares it up:

She's much, much, more than competent.

 

Yeah she's so competent. Which is why Shepard has to save her on Eden Prime and Horizon and Virmire and Mars. She actually runs towards the unarmed homicidal reaper robot that just owned her in hand to hand combat minutes ago. Yeah, real competent.

And if Shepard was really a Cereberus agent like she suspected, she would have gotten herself and the council kill on the Citadel.

Ashley isn't even close to the best of what the Alliace has to offer.

She survived Eden Prime longer than a Spectre did, and don't pull the 'He thought Saren was his friend' card. Any husk she killed was a soldier she knew.

Shepard would have been screwed on Horizon too if he didn't have Mordin.

Both she and Shepard thought that said robot was dead, Ashley just happened to be closer, and said robot only hurts her, it can kill Shepard.

As for the coup, she still trusted Shepard. Even if it wasn't compleatly, the fact that she thought 'maybe he's not with Cerberus' shows a lot of competence in logical deduction.

Nilhus was killed on a betrayal. He was betrayed. Ashley knew the husk were enemies, Nihlus didn't have that luxury with Saren. And it's easy to survive when you're running away and letting Shep and co. do all the hard work.

Even if the seekers hadn't paralyzed her, the collectors still would have either kill her abducted her. Or do you think Ashley can take on a whole Collectors platoon alone?

And Ashley dies on Mars without Shepard's help. He kills the robot and uses his ship to transport her to the Citadel.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 08 août 2012 - 04:09 .

[Omanisat]

I'm with you OP, I prefer Kaiden to Ash, and think he would be a better Spectre. Ash is too emotional, she's prone to outbursts, while Kaiden is as cool and logical a guy as you're ever likely to find. He may not like the hard decisions and agonize over them later, but I think he would make better choices in the heat of the moment.

[Mahrac]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

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Nilhus was killed on a betrayal. He was betrayed. Ashley knew the husk were enemies, Nihlus didn't have that luxury with Saren.

Even if the seekers hadn't paralyzed her, the collectors still would have either kill her abducted her. Or do you think Ashley can take on a whole Collectors platoon alone?

And Ashley dies on Mars without Shepard's help. He kills the robot and uses his ship to transport her to the Citadel.

Doesn't reduce the psychological effect of killing a comrade, or make it any easier. And she didn't let Shepard do all the hard work, she pulled her own weight despite being more worn down than Kaiden or Shepard.

Yes. Or at least find somewhere to bunker down and wait out the storm.

Shepard shoots Eva in a cutscene and she drops Ashley. If you don't manage to kill her, she kills Shepard. (search on youtube) And since Ashley can survive long enough to get to the Citadel, that means she survived longer than Shepard.


v   and that.

Modifié par Mahrac, 08 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[Made Nightwing]

212 was outnumbered, outgunned and caught by surprise. Yet Ashley not only survives, but is actively continuing her fight using only basic equipment.

On Virmire, if Kirrahe is killed, Ashley takes command of an entire STG team and successfully completes her objective.

During the two years that Shepard is dead, Anderson uses her as his personal operative, indicating that he has a high estimation of her skills. And you can get a lot of missions done in two years.

Come ME3, she's promoted to Lieutenant Commander, has an S1 designation that is apparently so top secret that we don't even know what it stands for and is still rolling as Anderson's offsider. She demonstrates an ability to come up with creative tactics on the fly, manages to damage a Reaper based sexbot and survives a beatdown that should have killed her.

She recovers in record time, and volunteers to protect the Council while still injured, managing to keep them alive despite being pursued by Cerberus assassins. Sure, Shepard can kill her, but Shepard can kill anyone, even Wrex.

If she volunteers for Hackett's staff, she ends up leading squads of elite covert units on hit and run ops and fast response rescue missions.

As good as Shepard? Nope, no one is. But she's most definitely good enough to be a Spectre.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Honestly, whereas I agree Kaidan is probably the better suited SPECTRE, I don't think Ashley so emotional that she'd be unable to make informed decisions.

Judging by ME1, she'd be renegade as hell, though....

[What a Succulent Ass]

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

[WarGriffin]

Well other then the BSN stigma that you must bash the VS regardless


Ashley and Kaidan have made something of themselves without Shepard.


Kaidan is the guy you take to a conference cause if things do turn violent a nice biotic lift into the ceiling shuts them up

Ashley is someone you take into a gun fight/trap.


Granted everybody is incompentent when Shepard's around

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Mahrac wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Trolling? I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not making bad points, I'm not bashing ME3, I'm not going off-topic, I'm not posting stupid picures, or anything troll-like. Sounds like you only called me a troll because you disagree.

I see a lot of flaming of Ashley for stuff out of her control, expecially since (IMO) she's proven more than competent. And I see a lot of illogical arguements about how that should affect her career.

Perhaps baiting would have been a better word, but since you impugned my honor, I'll stick with trolling.

OP doesnt really know what he is talking about. I'm surprised this got to 3 pages with the logic he has been presenting.

The Twilight God wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Exactly how did Ashley get the 212 killed?

She didn't. They were ambushed by geth and she's the only one who got away. Or am I thinking about something else.

 

Nope. You got it right. If OP had his way, she would be considered a failure because her squad got jumped and outgunned by enemies with superior tech on their side.

[Andy the Black]

I agree Kaidan is more competent that Ash. Ash may be a better pure soldier but Kaidan has his biotecs and tech knowledge. However I don't think either is really Spectre material.

In Ash's defence she did survive an attack by the Geth when her whole squad got murderized. Pretty much like Shep survive the Thresher Maw on Akuze if sole survivor, and that was enough to get him/her consideration for spectre status.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 08 août 2012 - 04:27 .

[Captain McBuck]

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane

Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Ash - Renegade
Kaiden - Paragon.

basically.

Modifié par Captain McBuck, 08 août 2012 - 04:32 .

[Rogue Unit]

Made Nightwing wrote...

212 was outnumbered, outgunned and caught by surprise. Yet Ashley not only survives, but is actively continuing her fight using only basic equipment.

On Virmire, if Kirrahe is killed, Ashley takes command of an entire STG team and successfully completes her objective.

During the two years that Shepard is dead, Anderson uses her as his personal operative, indicating that he has a high estimation of her skills. And you can get a lot of missions done in two years.

Come ME3, she's promoted to Lieutenant Commander, has an S1 designation that is apparently so top secret that we don't even know what it stands for and is still rolling as Anderson's offsider. She demonstrates an ability to come up with creative tactics on the fly, manages to damage a Reaper based sexbot and survives a beatdown that should have killed her.

She recovers in record time, and volunteers to protect the Council while still injured, managing to keep them alive despite being pursued by Cerberus assassins. Sure, Shepard can kill her, but Shepard can kill anyone, even Wrex.

If she volunteers for Hackett's staff, she ends up leading squads of elite covert units on hit and run ops and fast response rescue missions.

As good as Shepard? Nope, no one is. But she's most definitely good enough to be a Spectre.

Shepard was outgunned in the Blitz too. Her running away and surviving long enough until Shepard comes in and saves the day doesn't impress me.

She is only in Anderson's good graces because of Shepard. He has never seen her in action and her record is crap, she is the reason the beacon gets detroyed and Shepard is nearly killed. No officer with Annderson's status would take a soldier with a record like Ashley under his wing without some good word put in for them. And we never do find out what Ashley specifically did during two years Shep was gone. She could have sat nursing a desk coasting off Shepard's success for all we know. But we do know one thing she did - completely ignore the reaper threat. How competent.

And sure she survives the beatdown but only because Shepard interrupts said beatdown with a flurry of bullets.

[Sousabird]

I wouldn't want my worthless pawn to be a deadly soldier, better to have the blundering idiot

[StrawHatMoose]

I hate both of them. I would have killed them both in ME1 if I had the choice. I didn't get the chance to kill the survivor in ME3 either. Or I did it wrong. Wrex and Garrus and Tali are way better candidates, especially Wrex.

Modifié par StrawHatMoose, 08 août 2012 - 04:44 .

[Made Nightwing]

In the Blitz, Shepard was a Special Forces trooper had backup, resources, and wasn't fighting a machine race with a Spectre and a Reaper at the forefront. Ash had no backup, and her friends were being turned against her. Please consider your arguments before you say them.

No, her record states that she has an exceptional (perfect) record in all training scores and performance review and is rated as a highly effective platoon sergeant by her troops. Shepard is BLOODY UNCONCIOUS. How is he supposed to put in a good word for Ash? Anderson saw something in her, maybe something like he saw in Shepard. Anderson would take a disgraced 'Butcher of Torfan' Shepard under his wing, so yeah, he'd take a soldier with Ashley's potential.

Really? Please tell me you're not that stupid? What POSSIBLE use could Anderson have for one of the only soldiers who has faced geth, rachni and a Reaper at a desk? Are you retarded? This is an honest question. Why would a combat soldier be stuck on a desk job when she's working for Anderson, one of the biggest badasses in the galaxy. What qualifications would she have to run squads of covert infantry under Hackett if she wasn't already doing the SAME DAMN THING under Anderson.

You know who else ignored the Reaper threat? Garrus, Liara, Tali, Wrex and all your other friends and relatives. If you're going to apply a standard to one character, apply it to all.

No, the beatdown is complete before Shepard even pulls his finger out and starts shooting. I know it's confusing, but do try and pay attention to the cutscenes.

[StrawHatMoose]

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane

Not sure if stupid or just a troll. Kai leng has to use a gunship/phantoms and troopers to give him cover fire, and he seems to really like his overpowered invincility shield and phase disuptor. Thane has none of these, and is three months past the estimated life expectancy his doctors gave him, is in the final stages of keprels syndrome, can still go hand to hand with kai leng and gets up and tries to chase kai leng afte being stabbed through the chest.

[Generic Screen Name]

StrawHatMoose wrote...
Wrex and Garrus and Tali are way better candidates, especially Wrex.

No, they're not, especially not Tali.

[andy6915]

Made Nightwing wrote...

In the Blitz, Shepard was a Special Forces trooper had backup, resources, and wasn't fighting a machine race with a Spectre and a Reaper at the forefront. Ash had no backup, and her friends were being turned against her. Please consider your arguments before you say them.

WHAT?! The Blitz happen while Shepard was vacationing on shore-leave. That is having "backup and resources" to you?