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Kaidan was far more worthy of being a specter then Ashley. Ashley even being asked is nonsense.


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Made Nightwing wrote...

In the Blitz, Shepard was a Special Forces trooper had backup, resources, and wasn't fighting a machine race with a Spectre and a Reaper at the forefront. Ash had no backup, and her friends were being turned against her. Please consider your arguments before you say them.

No, her record states that she has an exceptional (perfect) record in all training scores and performance review and is rated as a highly effective platoon sergeant by her troops. Shepard is BLOODY UNCONCIOUS. How is he supposed to put in a good word for Ash? Anderson saw something in her, maybe something like he saw in Shepard. Anderson would take a disgraced 'Butcher of Torfan' Shepard under his wing, so yeah, he'd take a soldier with Ashley's potential.

Really? Please tell me you're not that stupid? What POSSIBLE use could Anderson have for one of the only soldiers who has faced geth, rachni and a Reaper at a desk? Are you retarded? This is an honest question. Why would a combat soldier be stuck on a desk job when she's working for Anderson, one of the biggest badasses in the galaxy. What qualifications would she have to run squads of covert infantry under Hackett if she wasn't already doing the SAME DAMN THING under Anderson.

You know who else ignored the Reaper threat? Garrus, Liara, Tali, Wrex and all your other friends and relatives. If you're going to apply a standard to one character, apply it to all.

No, the beatdown is complete before Shepard even pulls his finger out and starts shooting. I know it's confusing, but do try and pay attention to the cutscenes.


First Shep was on vaction when the Blitz hit. That's not having "backup and resources". Second, Saren and Sovereign barely assisted in the attack on EP.

Kaidan (the qualified officer) is the one who puts in a word for Ash and Shepard backs him up after he wakes up. Otherwise, who'd want the blacklisted moron who just destroyed a major scientitfic discovery and nearly killed your XO?

Are you retarded? I said we never specifically were told what she did. I also said she could have sat af a desk for two years for all we know. I don't actually believe Ashley sat at a desk for two years. There I had to make that clear since you obviously can't read inbetween the lines.

Try and keep up here, buddy. Remove Sheperd from the Mars scene and what happens to Ashley? Oh, yes. She dies.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 08 août 2012 - 05:13 .


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Some of you dummies need to recalibrate your sarcasm detectors!

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YOU SHOULD SUCK EGGS, RANDOM JERKFACE.

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Captain McBuck wrote...

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I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Who got stabbed in the gut? Exactly...

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What's up with the radio and the VS themselves saying they are the second human spectre? In the quest dealing with the asari trying to leave the citadel (ME2, geth infiltrators, etc), if Shepard uses his spectre status to authorize them to leave and informs them of it, they make some comment how they heard humans were getting their own people into spectre positions. Shepard replies with how he was a spectre before they had a seat on the council. Anyway, that minor thing always bugged me. :P

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

In the Blitz, Shepard was a Special Forces trooper had backup, resources, and wasn't fighting a machine race with a Spectre and a Reaper at the forefront. Ash had no backup, and her friends were being turned against her. Please consider your arguments before you say them.


WHAT?! The Blitz happen while Shepard was vacationing on shore-leave. That is having "backup and resources" to you?


That and Shepard had to hold off 10,000 SLAVERS, pretty much by himself, until "backup and resources" arrived. The backup and resources Shepard had when the ish hit the fan were civilians.


To be fair, Shep probably had more that just civilians for back up. Elysium had a police force and a significant Alliance presence. Not to mention the one and only  Jon Grissom. Image IPB

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J. Reezy wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Who got stabbed in the gut? Exactly...


Thane - Termanlly Ill dying man in the final stages of Keprals Syndrome who should have died 3 months ago
Kai Lang - Former N7, Cerberus Wet Work Assassin and Pumped Full of Reaper Tech.

Thane still kicked his ass, and drove him away from his target. (the Salarian Counciler)  Yes he got stabbed and later died. but he acomplished his goal. as Thane said Kai Lang should be ashamed. Thus Thane the bigger bad-ass.

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J. Reezy wrote...

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Oh man, low blow.:lol: Still post of the day though.

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Shepard was so disgusted with Thane's lack of swordsmanship she couldn't even watch.

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J. Reezy wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Who got stabbed in the gut? Exactly...

Who needs a gunship and super invincibility barrier to protect their sorry ass? Exactly....
Arguement has been invalidated.
And thane still lives for quite a while after being stabbed, and gets up and tries to chase kai leng, whereas kai leng just dies (TIM's base)

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StrawHatMoose wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Who got stabbed in the gut? Exactly...

Who needs a gunship and super invincibility barrier to protect their sorry ass? Exactly....
Arguement has been invalidated.
And thane still lives for quite a while after being stabbed, and gets up and tries to chase kai leng, whereas kai leng just dies (TIM's base)


Kai Leng only used the gunship because he was bored, notice how he KO'd Shepard and Co in a matter of seconds once he was done playing around.

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Neither were ready to be Spectres.

YET.

Their listed accomplishments (or possible accomplishments, depending on your choices) show that both Kaiden and Ashley are Spectre material, but were mostly chosen by Udina in ME3 for tactical reasons.

Ashley was only held back in rank due to the Williams curse. Once that lifted, the sky's the limit.
Kaiden only held himself back, due to his personal/biotics worries. Once the Reaper threat came, the sky's the limit.

They're both, in skills, nearly the best that humanity has to offer. Individuals like Shepard are the very best. Kaiden and Ashley, in a more safe galaxy/longer Reaper war, without Udina's interference, would have BOTH been up for Spectre candidacy eventually.

In either case, both of their stories have more to do with their relationship to Shepard and their possible growth in skills, rank, and character development (kinda) as time goes on. The Spectre thing was Udina's doing. Both characters were at least competent material for the rank, but the process was sped along for plot purposes.

It's OK. Ashley is not horrible, but she is more hotheaded. Kaiden is also not horrible, but he is more restrained. Both are overall average characters when you don't romance them, but pretty good characters if you do romance them. They're not the more typical romance story, but rather it feels like Bioware keeps trying to pull you apart with every scene together (WAT UR CERBERUS? CERBERUS BAD). The payoff, from what I've seen on Youtube, does feel satisfying enough though. Trials and tribulations are some of the best parts of a good romance.

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Made Nightwing wrote...

In the Blitz, Shepard was a Special Forces trooper had backup, resources, and wasn't fighting a machine race with a Spectre and a Reaper at the forefront. Ash had no backup, and her friends were being turned against her. Please consider your arguments before you say them.


Are you actually trying to suggest that Ashley is somehow a more competent soldier than Shepard?

Modifié par HollowSunsets, 08 août 2012 - 06:46 .


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General Slotts wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I hope we're not admitting cutscenes as proof of competence.


...Because Kai Leng.

He sure is competent with that sword in his hand. Kai Leng>Thane


Pfft At that point Thane was a terminally ill dying man in the final stages of cancer Kepral Syndrome and Thane still managed to kick his ass and drive him away from his target.

Who got stabbed in the gut? Exactly...

Who needs a gunship and super invincibility barrier to protect their sorry ass? Exactly....
Arguement has been invalidated.
And thane still lives for quite a while after being stabbed, and gets up and tries to chase kai leng, whereas kai leng just dies (TIM's base)


Kai Leng only used the gunship because he was bored, notice how he KO'd Shepard and Co in a matter of seconds once he was done playing around.


I literally lol'd at that post. Nice joke. You must not have got to thessia yet. He uses his gunship when you take his barriers down, so he can recharge them. He doesn't KO shepard and co, he tells the gunship to send a few missiles to destoy the temple so shepard and co will die. The fact that he needs a gunship/squads of phantoms to help him fight shepard proves that he is just worthless. Not to mention his invincibility shield.....

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MerchantGOL wrote...

ummm Ashley's tour of duties made her qualified far beyond her rank in me1


Yeah, she's blacklisted in ME1 not from any fault of her own but because of her grandfather.  In ME1 for example her squad is forced to deal with not only a Geth invasion but also a dreadnought Reaper.  Was there ANY other squad in the galaxy that could have fared better?

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General Slotts wrote...

Shepard was so disgusted with Thane's lack of swordsmanship she couldn't even watch.

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LOL. Thane doesn't use a sword, he is a master of matial arts, or do you not remembe his recruitment mission in mass effect 2.

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Swords>Fists.

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General Slotts wrote...

Swords>Fists.


I guess you have no real arguements, so you just turn into a stubborn mule. 
Guns>Swords
How did I do?

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 Not quite.

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If spectres would have been chosen based on their past service, then I would agree, Ashley being made a spectre is a huge joke. But they aren't. Garrus was also asked to be a spectre, and he was only a just some random C-sec officer. As long as you're good with your guns, smart enough, can get the job done, know how to make hard decisions, and of course be loyal to the council, and you're a good spectre.

Ashley is almost all of those things. She is certaintly a good soldier, she is smart, she can make hard decisions, she is pretty much loyal to the council. We don't really know if she can get the job done since we don't really know enough about her past service to be sure either way. But I'll go with "yes", since she has enough skills to be able to do that.

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To be fair, I doubt Ashley or Kaidan being asked to be a spectre is anything more than a ploy by Udina to get one of Shepard's former crew on his side.

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Ranger Jack Walker wrote...
To be fair, I doubt Ashley or Kaidan being asked to be a spectre is anything more than a ploy by Udina to get one of Shepard's former crew on his side.

How does this even make sense?

What could Udina possibly gain by making someone a Spectre who has ties to Shepard? That's pretty risky. Just make someone Spectre who has no ties to Shepard and use them.

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Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

To be fair, I doubt Ashley or Kaidan being asked to be a spectre is anything more than a ploy by Udina to get one of Shepard's former crew on his side.


I rather doubt that. The other councilors wouldn't have given Kaidan and Ashley the spectre title if they didn't deserve it. Udina might have wanted them for protection in the coup (and unless he can predict the future, I also doubt that), but it's obvious they were asked to be spectres for their skills, not for Udina to make a ploy. 

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Kaiden is definitely far more professional than Ashley, that said why either of them suddenly get the invite is a bit....odd, especially since that canonically speaking the spectres are the ones who are meant to put forward names, not the council.

HagarIshay wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

To
be fair, I doubt Ashley or Kaidan being asked to be a spectre is
anything more than a ploy by Udina to get one of Shepard's former crew
on his side.


I rather doubt that. The other councilors
wouldn't have given Kaidan and Ashley the spectre title if they didn't
deserve it. Udina might have wanted them for protection in the coup (and
unless he can predict the future, I also doubt that), but it's obvious
they were asked to be spectres for their skills, not for Udina to make a
ploy. 


What? Udina is part of the coup, so he WOULD know about it if it were going to happen...

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 08 août 2012 - 08:32 .


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No one deserves to be Spectre. Spectres are chosen for ... reasons. Shepard becoming a Spectre was a political choice, too. Lowest common denominator, welcome to the Spectres.