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[Ageless Face]

Tritium315 wrote...

The problem is post ME1 Kaiden and Ashley are the same character.

Nope. 

[WarGriffin]

HagarIshay wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

The problem is post ME1 Kaiden and Ashley are the same character.

Nope. 

Kaidan is suppose to be a powerful biotic... yet he never uses them cause that would require making a different scene insteado swaping Models!

[Ageless Face]

WarGriffin wrote...
Kaidan is suppose to be a powerful biotic... yet he never uses them cause that would require making a different scene insteado swaping Models!

They were given the same character arcs.

They aren't the same characters though.

HUGE difference.

[The Spamming Troll]

all i know is i regret making ashley my exclusive LI from ME1.

shoulda picked liara.

i cant think of a conversation i had with ashley outside of when i talk to her on the citadel. i remember minimal face time and only major annoyance about the continuous questioning if im still working for cerberus. i should only have to say it once, stupid bioware character.

also, miranda >>>>> ashley. if only miranda was a squadmate in ME3 id shove ashley out the airlock. id see miranda being a spectre far earlier then ashley. gunery sargent turned spectre. that makes sense.

[Corban von]

Ashley is one of the most annoying characters in the series.

[Tritium315]

The only person more annoying than Ashley is Kaiden. I only wish I had two nukes.

[Made Nightwing]

Shepard makes his reputation when he has the training, resources and equipment of an N7 Commando, pretty much walking death machines. Ash does everything on less training and inferior equipment.

Will Ash ever match Shepard in his capabilities as a peacemaker and warrior? Probably not. Will she be a merciless killing machine on parr with Saren and Vasir? Most definitely.

[Tritium315]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Shepard makes his reputation when he has the training, resources and equipment of an N7 Commando, pretty much walking death machines. Ash does everything on less training and inferior equipment.

Will Ash ever match Shepard in his capabilities as a peacemaker and warrior? Probably not. Will she be a merciless killing machine on parr with Saren and Vasir? Most definitely.

Except Ash, and Kaiden for that matter, never do anything that shows them being bad ass.

Wrex is a millenia old Krogran war machine.
Garrus lead a rag tag group of mercs against a veritable army of hardcore killers in the heart of evil town, and was winning.
Miranda and Grunt are genetically engineered super soldiers.
Jack is the most dangerous criminal in a prison full of super criminals (basically a female Riddick), not ot mention her insane biotic displays.
Samara is a knight templar who's been scouring the galaxy and killing bad guys for half a millenia, alone.
Thane is one of the galaxy's top assassins.
Mordin is a scientist and special forces operative for one of the most elite groups in the galaxy.
Zaeed started one of the largest mercenary outfits in the galaxy and has been killing people for god knows how long (and he survived a bullet to the head by sheer willpower).
etc.

Ash survived against some Geth for a while until Shep rescued her and Kaiden is apparently pretty good at biotics.

[Mathias]

WarGriffin wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both Kaiden and Ashley weren't qualified to be Spectres. I admit that freely as an Ashley fanboy. Spectres are suppose to be the best of the best, the right hand of the council and one of the deadliest weapons in the Galaxy.

The VS just isn't Spectre material. However Ash and Kaiden still have an impressive record and are two of the best soldiers in the Alliance. So there's no denying their impressive feats. If this were real life, i'd probably put Ashley and Kaiden's talent on the same level as Delta Team. They're that good. Qualified for Spectres though? Eh not so much. The only squadmates in Mass Effect that were good enough to be Spectres were:

Garrus
Samara
Miranda

And of those 3, Garrus is the only one of those that could in the future become one. Samara is already a Justicar, and they wouldn't let Miranda in cause of her history.

I fail to see how Garrus qualfies more then anybody else, especailly when the stuff that does qualify him is on par with what Ashley and Kaidan have been doing without Shepard.

His feats are more impressive than hers. We all know he's a peak level soldier, expert marksman, highly intelligent, and great survivability. The fact that it took a betrayal from within, and the combined effort of all 3 major mercenary groups to hope to take Garrus down on Omega, speaks volumes. Even when they had him cornered, they were too afraid to move in on him, and sent a bunch of scrubs after him first.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 09 août 2012 - 05:45 .

[Made Nightwing]

Tritium315 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Shepard makes his reputation when he has the training, resources and equipment of an N7 Commando, pretty much walking death machines. Ash does everything on less training and inferior equipment.

Will Ash ever match Shepard in his capabilities as a peacemaker and warrior? Probably not. Will she be a merciless killing machine on parr with Saren and Vasir? Most definitely.

Except Ash, and Kaiden for that matter, never do anything that shows them being bad ass.

Wrex is a millenia old Krogran war machine.
Garrus lead a rag tag group of mercs against a veritable army of hardcore killers in the heart of evil town, and was winning.
Miranda and Grunt are genetically engineered super soldiers.
Jack is the most dangerous criminal in a prison full of super criminals (basically a female Riddick), not ot mention her insane biotic displays.
Samara is a knight templar who's been scouring the galaxy and killing bad guys for half a millenia, alone.
Thane is one of the galaxy's top assassins.
Mordin is a scientist and special forces operative for one of the most elite groups in the galaxy.
Zaeed started one of the largest mercenary outfits in the galaxy and has been killing people for god knows how long (and he survived a bullet to the head by sheer willpower).
etc.

Ash survived against some Geth for a while until Shep rescued her and Kaiden is apparently pretty good at biotics.

Apart from when, if Kirrahe dies, Ashley takes command of the team and successfully leads them to complete the objective. And managing to survive against thousands and thousands of geth. And surviving a beatdown that should have killed her. And jumping in to help save the Council from Cerberus assassin's while still wounded and keeping them one step ahead of Kai Leng's troops. And doing as good a job at every task as every other squadmate. And leading highly effective elite units on covert missions (if she goes with Hackett). More than enough qualifications.

[Cyrax86]

@Made Nightwing -Ashley takes command of the team and successfully leads them to complete the objective.       IF Kirrahe dies, 
-And managing to survive against thousands and thousands of geth.     By running away, 
-And surviving a beatdown that should have killed her.   Because Shep saved her 
-And jumping in to help save the Council from Cerberus assassin's while still wounded and keeping them one step ahead of Kai Leng's troops.lol no, Cerberus assassins had no reason to pursue her fully or focus on her, she was handing over council to Udina(unknowingly). If Shep hadn't shown up, the council would be dead and Ash would be dead or indoc.

Modifié par Cyrax86, 09 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[nos_astra]

Tritium315 wrote...
Except Ash, and Kaiden for that matter, never do anything that shows them being bad ass.

So what? Since when is the merit of a character determined by some arbitrary level of badass? What is badass anyway? A cool cutscene? Snarky dialogue? Devil may care attitude? A distinct lack of weaknesses or flaws (or a lack of acknowledgement thereof)? A cool backstory or recruitment mission that serves highlight how special and badass they are (only for them to fall in line and fade into the background)?

[Goneaviking]

klarabella wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...
Except Ash, and Kaiden for that matter, never do anything that shows them being bad ass.

So what? Since when is the merit of a character determined by some arbitrary level of badass? What is badass anyway? A cool cutscene? Snarky dialogue? Devil may care attitude? A distinct lack of weaknesses or flaws (or a lack of acknowledgement thereof)? A cool backstory or recruitment mission that serves highlight how special and badass they are (only for them to fall in line and fade into the background)?

I miss the days when Achilles sulking in his tent because his commander in chief confiscated his concubine was the height of manliness.

Now that was badass at its most refined.

[nos_astra]

Goneaviking wrote...
I miss the days when Achilles sulking in his tent because his commander in chief confiscated his concubine was the height of manliness.

Now that was badass at its most refined.

It reminds me of Garrus actually. With his Commander dead he loses his patience with everyone else, quits C-Sec again/Spectre training and chooses to sulk on Omega, until the Commander returns from the dead, saves his ass and takes him back.

Epitome of badass.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

I don't think you kept up with the storyline OP.

[Goneaviking]

klarabella wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...
I miss the days when Achilles sulking in his tent because his commander in chief confiscated his concubine was the height of manliness.

Now that was badass at its most refined.

It reminds me of Garrus actually. With his Commander dead he loses his patience with everyone else, quits C-Sec again/Spectre training and chooses to sulk on Omega, until the Commander returns from the dead, saves his ass and takes him back.

Epitome of badass.

Hells yeah! Explains how he survives a missile to the face and then walks away looking even prettier than before.