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[Ealdred]

... have a child together? I remember on my last playthrough alistair mentioned it was not possible, but I'm just wondering is it true that it is completely impossible or is it just very highly unlikely that they can conceive a child?

Also, if it is impossible, does anyone know specifically why that is?

[fantasypisces]

as far as I remember, it is very difficult for one grey warden to have a child because of the taint. So it would be very very very very hard for two to have a child together, but I wouldn't say impossible.

[Original182]

The Lead Writer David Gaider said that 2 Grey Wardens cannot naturally have a child. The probability is 0%.

http://social.biowar...504&lf=8#455902

BUT, he didn't say anything about having a child through unnatural means, like blood magic.

Modifié par Original182, 21 décembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[AntiChri5]

David Gaider (lead writer) said that it is not naturally possible for two Grey wardens to procreate. This topic has been done before. Is the search function still not working?

[AntiChri5]

Original182 wrote...

The Lead Writer David Gaider said that 2 Grey Wardens cannot naturally have a child. The probability is 0%.

http://social.biowar...504&lf=8#455902

BUT, he didn't say anything about having a child through unnatural means, like blood magic.

Damn explanation ninja stealing all my glory [mumble mutter mumble]   <_<

[Original182]

Relax dude, chill. Search function isn't that good, because it doesn't allow me to search posts by moderators only.

[whtnyte-raernst]

AntiChri5 wrote...

David Gaider (lead writer) said that it is not naturally possible for two Grey wardens to procreate. This topic has been done before. Is the search function still not working?

The search function that everyone actually uses works just fine, you know the one...
Look at the first page and if you don't see your topic there, post away!!!

[Wompoo]

Ask the writers lol real life scenarios don't fit this one. If anything I would like to know why the game felt more like the story was about that whimpering fool Alistair. At no point did I feel as if my character was the central figure. Insufficient conversations from major npcs about my character actions and/or the origin and a lack of origin closure. So am I worried about not being able to bring a child into Fereldon, "no"... to birth a child in that country should be considered child abuse.

[robertthebard]

Well, this certainly puts a damper on the Alistair romance happy ending doesn't it. In about 30 years, Ferelden is going to be in exactly the same place it was at the Landsmeet if you have King Alistair and Queen PC. No heir to the throne.

[Sialater]

Ferelden's going to end up that way, anyway. Anora's not precisely a Fertile Myrtle. Unless you're going to go off the thin theory that there's no heir because Cailan was sowing his oats everywhere else and only rarely at home?





And I'm sure a blood mage can figure out a magical version of IVF. Or surrogacy. Or, heck, where's that kid Dog liked so much? Does he have parents?

[Korva]

Sialater wrote...

Ferelden's going to end up that way, anyway. Anora's not precisely a Fertile Myrtle. Unless you're going to go off the thin theory that there's no heir because Cailan was sowing his oats everywhere else and only rarely at home?

I don't go for men so I haven't seen this myself, but apparently if a female PC is in a relationship with Alistair and talks to Anora about her (Anora) and Alistair marrying, she asks about the relationship and remarks that she isn't keen on having another husband who cheats on her.

Granted this is Anora we're talking about so everything she says is best taken with a grain of salt. Still, I found it mildly irritating and amusing at the same time that Cailan not having an heir is blamed on Anora a few times in the game. Like in real life, I guess. A couple is infertile, or has a worthless daughter instead of a son? Most people in most parts of the world will blame the woman.

[Sialater]

Korva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ferelden's going to end up that way, anyway. Anora's not precisely a Fertile Myrtle. Unless you're going to go off the thin theory that there's no heir because Cailan was sowing his oats everywhere else and only rarely at home?

I don't go for men so I haven't seen this myself, but apparently if a female PC is in a relationship with Alistair and talks to Anora about her (Anora) and Alistair marrying, she asks about the relationship and remarks that she isn't keen on having another husband who cheats on her.

Granted this is Anora we're talking about so everything she says is best taken with a grain of salt. Still, I found it mildly irritating and amusing at the same time that Cailan not having an heir is blamed on Anora a few times in the game. Like in real life, I guess. A couple is infertile, or has a worthless daughter instead of a son? Most people in most parts of the world will blame the woman.

Well, I've seen a real life instance where a woman was supposedly infertile, but the guy was straying (ie, not saving enough boys to bring home), and the next man gave her a child.  It's not common, but it does happen.  I hate the writers went that way to explain the lack, though, since it's kinda cheesy.  I'd rather she have a thyroid problem or something.


Frankly, neither one of them want to marry the other.  That's why my elf mage was chancellor to a single Alistair, I don't care what that ending card said.  That b**** was locked up.

[Adria Teksuni]

One of the things that pisses me off about making Anora queen without Alistair is she doesn't have an heir either. At least, she never remarries and procreates in any of my epilogues.



I'm all like, "Wench, one of the reasons I DIDN'T put Al on the throne was due to the rugrat factor!"

[Imryll]

robertthebard wrote...

Well, this certainly puts a damper on the Alistair romance happy ending doesn't it. In about 30 years, Ferelden is going to be in exactly the same place it was at the Landsmeet if you have King Alistair and Queen PC. No heir to the throne.

A lot of things can happen in thirty years ... And it seems reasonable to hope that crisis with the succession wouldn't coincide with a Blight twice in a row.

I also think that it's good to keep in mind that while the player may know what David has said on the forums, Alistair and the player character do not.  For them infertility would be a concern, but they wouldn't know that there was no possibility of them conceiving a child normally. I see them continuing step at a time solving each insoluble problem as it arises.  At least, that's how I'm planning to play Ailidh.

[Sialater]

Yeah, and since Alistair's a bastard, the unmarried Chancellor's child with him (if there is one) can still be the heir.

[Avaraen]

Sialater wrote...

Ferelden's going to end up that way, anyway. Anora's not precisely a Fertile Myrtle. Unless you're going to go off the thin theory that there's no heir because Cailan was sowing his oats everywhere else and only rarely at home?

Or perhaps Cailan was sterile... why is it assumed Anora is the one who's infertile? Cailan is sleeping around all over the place (according to Anora), if he were particularly fertile, there would've been a bastard child somewhere along the way. If that's the case, it would have as legitimate a claim to the throne as Alistair. And if not, then the issue is perhaps more with Cailan's fertility than Anora's.

[XOGHunter246]

No chance for two warden to have a heir read one of my topic mod proved this.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 21 décembre 2009 - 07:56 .

[Sialater]

Avaraen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ferelden's going to end up that way, anyway. Anora's not precisely a Fertile Myrtle. Unless you're going to go off the thin theory that there's no heir because Cailan was sowing his oats everywhere else and only rarely at home?

Or perhaps Cailan was sterile... why is it assumed Anora is the one who's infertile? Cailan is sleeping around all over the place (according to Anora), if he were particularly fertile, there would've been a bastard child somewhere along the way. If that's the case, it would have as legitimate a claim to the throne as Alistair. And if not, then the issue is perhaps more with Cailan's fertility than Anora's.

I agree, it could have been Cailan's "fault.:"  But we're not shown any of his bastards, so the lack thereof is hardly proof of anything.

Frankly neither may have been infertile, he was just never home.

[SusanStoHelit]

In any case, there would be other ways for them to have a child. As suggested above, there is blood magic. But there is also the possibility of Avernus (if you didn't kill him) coming up with something in his research, there is the possibility of some other magical means of conception excluding blood magic, and there is the possibility of miraculous or divine intervention (such as the ashes of Andraste, which cured Arl Eamon, so miracles are part of the 'lore').

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 21 décembre 2009 - 09:45 .