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[shepskisaac]

The Twilight God wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Shep surviving ME3 is 10 times more realistic than entering into an atmosphere in a suit that's depressurizing.

That assumes the atmosphere of that world was identical Earth's. Its atmopshere coudl be thinner, less dense and the planet could have less gravity. Given the condition of the Normandy crash site and the Mako i would say that planet was somehwere closer to slowly "crashing"  on the moon.

The suit was still punctured and was depresurizing. And we know what effect vacum has on human body.

[MegaSovereign]

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 août 2012 - 08:19 .

[ABedlamSun]

Flog61 wrote...

redcarpet26 wrote...

My Shep survived the rubble thanks to several keepers softening the impact after he was blown clear of the catalyst chamber. He then got picked up by joker and flown to Omega, where he is getting spit roasted by Kaidan and Cortez as we speak.

I....I just....

What the ****?

What on Earth caused you to headcanon this?

 _ I'm eye candy too
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[The Twilight God]

BABYRHINO97 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
Synthetic life is no different than any other program. Electrons running through a medium. Just like huma n nerves and brain patterns for that matter. The Crucible would have to be a glorified EMP to make sense. But low EMS destorys demonstrates that it isn't just an EMP-like explosion.

The low EMS destroy only shows what could happen if the Crucible is badly damaged, it doesn't say anything about the high EMS destroy.

Synthetic life is different than just a machine, which is why the Normandy is still up and running, yet EDI and the Geth are dead. Their bodies would still work as platforms for VI's or future AI's, but the unique AI's that brought life to EDI and the Geth have been completely destroyed.

No it isn't, Hence the ending is absurd.

It's like saying fire will burn a grazing cow, but will have no effect on a slab of beef. The only difference is one has electrons actively running through it and is warmer. The other doesn't have electons running through it and is cooler. Same for synthetics. A Geth platform with a geth inside has a program (active electron patterns). A Geth platform without any geth inside does not (no active electron patterns). How does the Crucble makes heads or tails of which electons serve the purpose of synthetic life and which is just solitary playing on a computer or which are electrons serving the purpose of organic life? It's just an indescriminate wave of energy. It isn't an omnipresent omniscient god.

The ending is absurd. If the energy was designed to do something in particular like neutralize some reaper specific material that only reapers contain, then it would make sense.

[The Twilight God]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Shep surviving ME3 is 10 times more realistic than entering into an atmosphere in a suit that's depressurizing.

That assumes the atmosphere of that world was identical Earth's. Its atmopshere coudl be thinner, less dense and the planet could have less gravity. Given the condition of the Normandy crash site and the Mako i would say that planet was somehwere closer to slowly "crashing"  on the moon.

The suit was still punctured and was depresurizing. And we know what effect vacum has on human body.

Yeah, and Shepard died. I thought you meant how did he survive intact, without burning to a crasp or splattering into pieces. 

You thought he was alive when Lazarus started?

[The Twilight God]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Learn 2 reading/listening comprehension. Remember those tests back in 6th grade where you had to test your comprehension?

The Stargazer, Mass Effect 3's main antagonist says to Shepard: 
"It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed too. The crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. even you are PARTLY synthetic."

The stargazer is most likely:

a) Warning Shepard will literally die along with all other synthetics

A wizard

c) Warning Shepard that all technology is considered 'synthetic' and that all of it will be wiped out

d) Mentioning Shepard's synthetic parts to appeal to Shepard's common bond with synthetics

So full of win.

Correct answer = d) Mentioning Shepard's synthetic parts to appeal to Shepard's common bond with synthetics

Again, like I've been saying. Spewing disinformation, emotional manipulation, and propaganda = indoctrination in the real world (not in the Mass Effect universe)

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Add for very high EMS: "You will lose some technology, but not any more than you have already lost, and you will be able to rebuild it in a short period of time." Okay. So not anymore than we've already lost. So **** we've lost gone, **** we haven't lost not gone, and we'll be able to rebuild **** we've lost = No problem.

Quarians will rebuild the Geth with a shackled core this time (you know - don't harm Quarians and stuff like that). Don't worry. Xen will have it all figured out. Joker can eventually have a reunion with EDI ... restored shackled copy with a less pleasing voice.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 09 août 2012 - 09:19 .

[MegaSovereign]

The Twilight God wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

An Artificial Intelligence (AI) is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Creation of a conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a "blue box".

An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 août 2012 - 09:23 .

[bas_kon]

Funkdrspot wrote...

iakus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Exactly, people have survived like 2 weeks buried under rubble after major earthquakes, and these are regular people.

Yes, you hear about these things happening.

We don't hear about it happening for SHepard.  That's the problem. No clarity.  No closure.

so thats what it still boils down to? people are so lazy that they cant use the powers of deduction + occams razor to come to a liekly conclusion? 

I think the thing is not that people can not deduct Shepard lives (which he does, without a doubt), it's that they're angry because they didn't get the reunion scene they wanted.

People didn't even wonder about this before the EC, since I read lots of preEC posts, saying that in order to have a happy ending, you had to get your LI not to join the Normandy (or be either Jack or Miranda) so they would be on Earth when Shepard was rescued, instead of breeding a new colony with a random NPC.
Now that they know the LI comes back to Earth, they want more. But even if we saw him being rescued, he could die in the way to Earth, also we could see him recovered and he could die whilst getting out of  the Hospital, or he could be killed by Joker in revenge for EDI's "death"... Some people have too much free time, they should give me some, I know I could use it.

There's also people who hate Destroy for killing sinthetics and want it to be even worse by having shepard dead (no matter if you see him breath or not) so peole won't pick it. And for the record, the last gasp is always breathing out as if loosing conciousness, not breathing in as if waking up...

Edit: Also, I don't think non Reaper tech gets damaged. The brat says just reaper tech and AIs, the Normandy crashes because EDI dies, the rest of the shipt are intact, the citadel has explosions because of the blast same as the relays. Sheoard implants aren't reaper tech. And I think the catalyst says shepard can die because he knows Shepard is unsure if he's a AI himself (cercerus mission) the same way he knows about that stupid kid.

Modifié par bas_kon, 09 août 2012 - 10:18 .

[BABYRHINO97]

The Twilight God wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

The fully realized artificial intelligence. I don't think the Normandy or Shepard's gun is alive, but EDI and the Geth definitely are. The crucible destroy's artificial life. Shepard may be living because of a machine, but so are the quarians, who are still alive in the end.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Shepard is alive at the end of the high EMS destroy ending. Why? Because if they killed the MC at the end of all the endings they would sell zero copies of the DLC, and nearly the same number of copies of DA3 (that's almost zero). They realized this fact and changed their minds. Hence Shepard lives.

There are other reasons Shepard lives:

* the file name is ShepardAlive
* if Liara is the LI, Liara has a special bond with Shepard and she doesn't put Shepard's name on the wall. -- I know the others don't, but the others never mind melded to the extent she did. With her it's not wishful thinking.
* I don't believe what CP and Hepler troll.
* Besides, Liara would only find the body again, go to any lengths (i.e. kill whoever she had to, steal however amount of money needed) give the body and the money to Miranda, provide Miranda with whatever facilities she needed, and tell Miranda to do Lazarus II.
* Shepard lives.

Every other LI does the same....

[The Twilight God]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

An Artificial Intelligence (AI) is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Creation of a conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a "blue box".

An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence

What is your point? Geth are not tradtional AI. They have no blue box. They are programs, software only.

Are you saying the Geth didn't die in destroy? Because that is a valid conclusion. You never actually see them dropping dead or anything.

[The Twilight God]

BABYRHINO97 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

The fully realized artificial intelligence. I don't think the Normandy or Shepard's gun is alive, but EDI and the Geth definitely are. The crucible destroy's artificial life. Shepard may be living because of a machine, but so are the quarians, who are still alive in the end.

Some which part of a synthetic is alive and which part is just tech? That's all I'm asking.

[hoodaticus]

redcarpet26 wrote...

My Shep survived the rubble thanks to several keepers softening the impact after he was blown clear of the catalyst chamber. He then got picked up by joker and flown to Omega, where he is getting spit roasted by Kaidan and Cortez as we speak.

Hawt.

[BABYRHINO97]

The Twilight God wrote...

BABYRHINO97 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Shepard is dead. All his cybernetics are fubar'd and he's blind, paralyzed at least below the waist. If we believe synthesis is true and his energy embodies what synthesis is then all his nanites failed and he sufffers cellular decay, organ failure and coma. He has a slow death ahead of him alone and in the dark. If you consider that "alive" so be it. People have questioned his survival before any Hepler guy said anything.

The Crucible blast does not destroy synthetic tech in the high EMS endings. If it did then the Normandy would have been severely damaged.

It destroys synthetic life.

And what defines synthetic life vs tech?

What part is the "life"?

The fully realized artificial intelligence. I don't think the Normandy or Shepard's gun is alive, but EDI and the Geth definitely are. The crucible destroy's artificial life. Shepard may be living because of a machine, but so are the quarians, who are still alive in the end.

Some which part of a synthetic is alive and which part is just tech? That's all I'm asking.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. But it seems like the AI is the living part, while the hardware is just a shell to house the software. Only the software was destroyed, not the body.

Of course, that's just a theory. I could very well be wrong, and I doubt we'll ever know if Shepard lived past that day, I believe that the breathing scene was in the game to imply that he was alive and going to make a recovery. After all, like someone said earlier, he did fall onto a planet from space, drank poison, had debris from a reaper land on him, and survive an almost direct beam from a reaper.

Modifié par BABYRHINO97, 10 août 2012 - 12:31 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Shepard survived because people kept asking for it. That's all there is to it.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Mahrac wrote...

Supposedly s/he ducked to avoid the explosion in the cutscene.

And fell into a plothole.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

devSin wrote...

Officially?

Chris Priestly wrote...

You assume Shepard survived. That could have just been a final breath before he/she died.

You're not getting any other answer.

This doesn't surprise me in the least..........................considering they killed off characters via TWIT-ter!!

[BABYRHINO97]

ohupthis wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

Supposedly s/he ducked to avoid the explosion in the cutscene.

And fell into a plothole.

It isn't  a plothole, it is just a scene at the end that show's he is alive.

[MegaSovereign]

What is your point? Geth are not tradtional AI. They have no blue box. They are programs, software only.

Are you saying the Geth didn't die in destroy? Because that is a valid conclusion. You never actually see them dropping dead or anything.

The geth would still die because they're using Reaper code, I believe.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Reaper code yes, but not tech, so NO they shouldn't be subject to MACWALTERS' unilateral blather.

[D24O]

Shepard survives because he's actually a super saiyan.

[The Twilight God]

BABYRHINO97 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Some which part of a synthetic is alive and which part is just tech? That's all I'm asking.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. But it seems like the AI is the living part, while the hardware is just a shell to house the software. Only the software was destroyed, not the body.

What is the AI part made of?

[Funkdrspot]

The Twilight God wrote...

Ah, petty insults. The mark of a true intellectual confident in the strength of his own argument. I can already guess you have a carefully laid out articulate counter argument prepared for me which will no doubt test my wits to their limits.

I love the internet. Its the only place where you can act stupid and pedantic, then feign outrage that someone actually tells you so.

I didn't realize that it was an insult to expect you to have basic high school level reading comprehension. 

The Twilight God wrote...
Gasp! Imagine my surprise when your post has absolutely nothing to do with anything I posted,
You contain no counter argument whatsoever and makes no coherent sense at all.

.....what is this? I can't even....

ARE YOU SERIOUS? You say i'm insulting you for telling you that your reading comprehension sucks, then you go out and prove it.

Lets go back and review.

• In your own words you said Shepard's cybernetic parts are fubar'd and he's blind
• thus you believe that the Red EM blast fries actual circuitry,
• which is most likely based on your poor interpretation of what the Catalyst said
• My post then countered how you misinterpreted what the Catalyst said
• I show that you have a clear lack of comprehension for what the Catalyst was saying and you're making the elementary school mistake of doing a literal interpretation when it wasn't intended.

The Twilight God wrote...
I'm surprised. Based on you're opening statement I had you pegged as some kind of savant. Or perhpas I'm simply too stupid to "get it". Or you meant to address someone else and it is simply my priviledge to be the recipient of one of your rare mistakes. Oh, you geniuses and your wily ways!

Considering the above, this part of the post is 'lol' worthy. Irony.