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[ZeroMystic]

I have an intersting and amusing story:

I actually got the hard covered collectors edtion guide which contains more information than the game does. It in fact even contains information that cannot be found anywhere else unless someone posts that information. I did extensive research on DAO by reading, seeing the class stas layouts, taking advice consideration from the guide, you know just things like that. Just chocking myself full of knwoledge.

Here is the amusing art to this whole story:
I had posted up some topics a while back about some things I didn't like and how things could have been better and just my view points and knew this information because of the guide.

Anyway people tried arguing with me saying how it was not possible I knew about Dragon Age Origins without having gone that far in the game and I got accused of not knowing what I was talking about..

So people here as usual jumped the gun and just started pelting me with these ludicrous claims and trying to use false logic to support their claims.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[AiyanaLindari]

I bought the Collector's Edition Guide for the art and the lore section. I didn't look at it much during my first play through since I didn't want to spoil the experience. I do reference it now and again and find it helpful.

[ZeroMystic]

I have been skimming through these replies and I see one pattern with people.

Pretty much every single reply says they don't use a guide or it's a waste of money because they like to explore the game and or figure things out for themselves.

But there is a massive problem with all that, most people are blinded by a one track mind and think that a guide is only used for one thing and one thing only, and that is getting solutions about how to play or quests or the locations of stuff.

They do not bother to open up their mind and understand a guide is way more than just a walk through as people make it out to be. It's obvious that none of the people saying a guide is only used for one thing , have any clue to what a guide is fully used for.

If people here think that you can learn about everything from a game by just playing it, then they are sadly mistaken, especially with a set up like Dragon Age Origins because that is virtually impossible to do unless you spend about 5 years playing it. There are stats, examples set ups, and just things that are no where to be found in the game or you would ever think to do. And that is because just like people thinking a guide is only used for one thing, they are not realizing all this excesss stuff available in the game because they are too one track minded.

I get a guide to see all teh stats on weapons and just things in general I may never would have thought to do, and because of that, I become a more effective gamer due to opening my mind up to possibilities I may never would have thought of.

In closing i want to say that, if you think you know everything just because you play RPG.s or games constantly and that you cannot possibly learn anything new, then you do not know as much as you think you do.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:27 .

[Paramecium_Caudatum]

Does this mean that the guide contains a detailed breakdown of the stats of the creatures you meet and how they level? Or is the just a lot of extra fluff?

Personally I usually check online before I buy a guide since the quality of game guides varies somewhat...

[F-C]

to me buying a guide just means you wernt able to figure things out for yourself and needed someone to hold your hand and walk you through it. thats just how i feel about it really.

it ruins the game to me because you are reading everything you are doing before you do it and you are just going through the motions to reach the objective and you already know whats going to happen.

the only way i could possibly justify it is if you were on your second or third play through and you just wanted to make sure you wernt missing anything. using a guide to get you through the game on your first play through is just fail.

btw its spelled strategy. hooked on phonics ftw.

Modifié par F-C, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:04 .

[bzombo]

mondotomhead wrote...

So I had NO IDEA what I was doing in this game and instead of asking alot of dumb questions on this forum I bought "The Book".   I've restarted the games and so many things make sense now.   I've found lots of items I missed the first time and was stronger because of it.  Also, it explains how to give gifts and make potions.  Also, and I had no clue about this one, the approval ratings from your party!.   I am now in a romance with Morrigan-hahahaha.   I totally suggest to get this stradegy guide since it makes Dragon Age so much more fun to play.

i preordered the collector's edition strategy guide when i preordered the ce game. i wanted to have the whole ce thing. i'm glad i did. the book is beautifully done, and it's a nice resource when i get stuck. i've only used it a handful of times, but sometimes i just like flipping through it.

[Aidunno]

ZeroMystic wrote...

If people here think that you can learn about everything from a game by just playing it, then they are sadly mistaken, especially with a set up like Dragon Age Origins because that is virtually impossible to do unless you spend about 5 years playing it. There are stats, examples set ups, and just things that are no where to be found in the game or you would ever think to do. And that is because just like people thinking a guide is only used for one thing, they are not realizing all this excesss stuff available in the game because they are too one track minded....

But isn't that part of the joy to add replayability ? You may have seen quite a few people on these forums saying there is little replayability. How many of these people used some kind of walkthough be it the official  guide or something online and in the long term, it reduces the amount of time they actually play ?

[DragonRageGT]

Hey Random_PcGamer... I see you're back... you're not going to have 3 accounts to pretend they're someone else and "support" you in your non-sense posts are you? Remember that it got you banned from GameSpot/GameFAQs!

Oh, has anyone called you in X-Fire yet? Still waiting? Still saying that people that don't think like you or don't agree with your opinion are lame losers like you did there, or "are sadly mistaken" as you put it...

Just out of curiosity, in Risen, where maximum level to 100% -1 player (that's you) ranges between 29-31, you claimed to be able to reach level 42... and when those 100% forum regulars confronted you, you showed a pic that I countered with one even better, lvl 54. (100% cheated like yours though). Which caused you to spam the forum with your other accounts asking ppl to call you on your X-Fire (saw you're doing that here already!) and calling us all sort of names because none would ever call you on your X-Fire...

What about Dragon Age where 100%(-you of course) can reach a max ranging bet 20-25? Can you go higher than the maximum we common mortals can, here too?

Modifié par RageGT, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:43 .

[blazin130791]

buying guides became pointless when they realeased that new fangled thing called the internet.

[wanderon]

deathwing200 wrote...

If it's your first RPG ever, then buying a strategy guide is justified. Otherwise, it's a waste of money. These so called guides wouldn't know min-maxing if it smacked them in the face.

Perhaps this is because the companies who create the guides are given guidelines from the developers as to how the game is DESIGNED to be played which is more likely to be in a balanced fashion where as min/maxing is a more exploitive playstyle that typically sets aside many of the games more subtle nuances to concentrate solely on combat uberness?

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with min/maxing but just becuase min/maxing may be a viable and relatively popular playstyle doesn't make it the norm nor does it mean that games are designed specificly with min/maxing in mind or that any guide that doesn't focus on that playstyle is somehow flawed. Bioware in particular has always had a tendency to create their games in such a manner as to discourage min/maxing in favor of more balanced play.

As for resorting to buying the guide I typically buy them as a replacement for the poor excuse for a true game manual that comes with todays games. The guides typically have useful charts for weapons, armor and other game info that are presented in a full size book with reasonable sized fonts instead of the use of mice type and often have more details than the so called manuals of today. Unlike pdf manuals they can also be placed in the bathroom for perusal more conveniently.

However I rarely use the feature that most individuals probably buy the guide to get. I almost never even glance at game guides walkthroughs (or any other form of walkthrough) at all. I have owned NWN2 since it was released and bought the guide with the game and have never looked at any part of the guides walkthrough section to this day - I much prefer to figure things out on my own.

I have however used one small section of the walkthrough for DA:O to solve a puzzle (I hate puzzles)

[montana_boy]

Bathead wrote...

I usually get a strategy guide for just about every game I get, this is no exception. I find it quite useful.

Me to... strategy guides enables me to wring every penny out of the game.  In DAO I try to get all the side quests, make sure I talk to all the important (obviously) and semi-important NPC's and open all of the treasure* and explore every nook and cranny of every map. 

*Unfortunately crates, boxes or chests don't seem to contain super items.

[Badger8126]

I've never bought a strategy guide for any game, might as well have someone else play if I start doing that.

Modifié par Badger8126, 21 décembre 2009 - 07:53 .

[montana_boy]

Cybercat999 wrote...

But it was such amazing new word that left me breathless and when I managed to kill my first..... rat I think it was.... I was so proud of myself I actually started jumping up and down irl. It was better "first experience" than sex.

How sad.  Perhaps you should get a strategy guide about sex.

[montana_boy]

Badger8126 wrote...

I've never bought a strategy guide for any game, might as well have someone else play if I start doing that.

That's to bad you miss out on a lot. 

It is a good idea to play the game without reference to a strat guide the first time through, which I do on most games.  I then turn to the guide the second time through.  It is amazing the things a guy misses.

[TheNecroFiend]

Nope. And even if I did feel the need for such a thing I would never waste money on a guide. Why bother when you have the forums and gamefaqs. The info you can get here is current  and more accurate then you will find in a published guide.

[montana_boy]

RageGT wrote...

Hey Random_PcGamer... I see you're back... you're not going to have 3 accounts to pretend they're someone else and "support" you in your non-sense posts are you? Remember that it got you banned from GameSpot/GameFAQs!

Oh, has anyone called you in X-Fire yet? Still waiting? Still saying that people that don't think like you or don't agree with your opinion are lame losers like you did there, or "are sadly mistaken" as you put it...

Just out of curiosity, in Risen, where maximum level to 100% -1 player (that's you) ranges between 29-31, you claimed to be able to reach level 42... and when those 100% forum regulars confronted you, you showed a pic that I countered with one even better, lvl 54. (100% cheated like yours though). Which caused you to spam the forum with your other accounts asking ppl to call you on your X-Fire (saw you're doing that here already!) and calling us all sort of names because none would ever call you on your X-Fire...

What about Dragon Age where 100%(-you of course) can reach a max ranging bet 20-25? Can you go higher than the maximum we common mortals can, here too?

What does any of this rant have to do with Strategy Guides?

[Cybercat999]

montana_boy wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

But it was such amazing new word that left me breathless and when I managed to kill my first..... rat I think it was.... I was so proud of myself I actually started jumping up and down irl. It was better "first experience" than sex.

How sad.  Perhaps you should get a strategy guide about sex.

When I had my first sex none was selling guides about anything. I wont even say here how old I was to avoid shocking some people.
Bu then when I see statistics about how many girls actually do not enjoy their first sex even in these modern times I wonder if the guides you boys get nowdays are worth anything.

[andybuiadh]

Cybercat999 wrote...
When I had my first sex none was selling guides about anything. I wont even say here how old I was to avoid shocking some people.
Bu then when I see statistics about how many girls actually do not enjoy their first sex even in these modern times I wonder if the guides you boys get nowdays are worth anything.

Hey! I bought the Collectors Edition Sex Boxset, it comes with strategy guide, fabric map and night-vision goggles.

[Seifz]

underhill.mr wrote...

also..considering that there are many good, free guides online (gamefaqs.com is a good source), I fali to see the point of paying for one

1.  Buying the PRIMA guide supports BioWare/EA.
2.  There weren't any good, free guides available for DA:O when most of us were actually playing through it the first few times.
3.  Most of the free guides just rip info from the PRIMA guide anyway.

The PRIMA guide is actually really nice, and that's especially true for the Collector's Edition guide.  I didn't use anything but the maps for my first playthrough because this particular guide goes out of its way to through major plot spoilers onto every page, but I've found it incredibly helpful for my second playthrough.  The extra 70+ pages in the back were a great read, too!

[montana_boy]

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When I had my first sex none was selling guides about anything. I wont even say here how old I was to avoid shocking some people.
Bu then when I see statistics about how many girls actually do not enjoy their first sex even in these modern times I wonder if the guides you boys get nowdays are worth anything.

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Lol... fair enough!

Modifié par montana_boy, 21 décembre 2009 - 08:38 .

[TheNecroFiend]

Well the guide I use "Raouls International Guide To Love And Dentistry" has never sterred me wrong.

[jennamarae]

ZeroMystic wrote...

If people here think that you can learn about everything from a game by just playing it, then they are sadly mistaken, especially with a set up like Dragon Age Origins because that is virtually impossible to do unless you spend about 5 years playing it. There are stats, examples set ups, and just things that are no where to be found in the game or you would ever think to do. And that is because just like people thinking a guide is only used for one thing, they are not realizing all this excesss stuff available in the game because they are too one track minded.

Prefering to discover things in-game as opposed to in a guide does not mean that I nor anyone else has a one-track mind. It means we prefer to learn by doing as opposed to learning by being told. I've learned quite a bit about stats and weapons and armor through trial and error. Far more fulfilling to learn it on my own than just do what a book tells me to do.

[sravenblood]

First play through, "Dry" run as it were. No guides, nothing. Any subsequent times I got to Gamefaqs or another free source instead of shelling out money.

[VanDraegon]

I bought the CE guide to go along with my CE copy of the game. Mainly because i have been waiting for this game for so damn long, i had to have everything that went a long with it. The book is great looking. Lots of artwork and extra history. The gameplay guide is just an added bonus.