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[iplay222]

I've posted these statistics in several threads but nobody seems to take notice.

There have been around 220 buffs in this game.

And there have been roughly 40 nerfs.

Not only does that disprove the 'Constant nerfing' claims so many people make on these forums but it also means this:

Some of you also say that there are constant nerf threads 

Some of you tell Bioware to 'Stop listening to the community'

Put those 2 reasons together and think about this, Surely if Bioware had been listening to the community from the beginning (according to your logic), a hell of alot more guns should have been nerfed, because of these 2 reasons that you often give to enforce your own argument.

Well, when put with statistics, they contradict each other.

I understand that a single person who is against nerfing won't nessercerily agree with some of the statements that others who are against nerfing/balancing make, but for the sake of this argument, I'm putting different reasons that are given together.

Modifié par iplay222, 08 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[xtorma]

Of course we needed one more thread like this. Make more of them.

[Credit2team]

nerfers, no one will ever like you, go away or keep silent.

/thread

[iplay222]

xtorma wrote...

Of course we needed one more thread like this. Make more of them.

Actually what I'm trying to do is just get these statistics out there.

So people can see that statistically, they are wrong.

thewalrusx wrote...

nerfers, no one will ever like you, go away or keep silent. 

/thread

 

Well, actually I'm not really a nerfer, but carry on making assumptions about people, it will get you far in life.

Modifié par iplay222, 08 août 2012 - 09:00 .

[IllusiveManJr]

/Signed

[AbhijitSM]

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

[kevchy]

This is coming from someone who is neutral to all these balance changes.

Honestly, I feel that some these buffs did not do anything to change the balance of multiplayer. I cannot remember the last time a buff opened doors for new and interesting builds. The last time that happened was when they buffed the Hurricane.

Nerfs, on the other hand, have more impact. For example, we don't see the Krysae often anymore, do we? Builds can be made obsolete almost immediately, forcing players to adopt a new strategy in order to compensate or they can abandon it completely. That is why many people around here feel that nerfs are annoying.

EDIT: This time around, I fear that the next upcoming balance changes would render all the new Earth DLC guns redundant and we would be forced to go back to our pre-Earth guns. I hope I am wrong.

Modifié par kevchy, 08 août 2012 - 09:07 .

[BlackDahlia424]

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

This. You're comparing tiny incremental buffs of crappy weapons that are still crappy to nerfs which have completely ruined guns in some cases.

[Pyth the Bull]

xtorma wrote...

Of course we needed one more thread like this. Make more of them.

Oh come on, you like these threads. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't post the same exact thing in every single one of them. These threads give you purpose. You are "THAT GUY".

[Klokos]

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

 I'm sure Gear was a totally pointless buff. 

[iplay222]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

This. You're comparing tiny incremental buffs of crappy weapons that are still crappy to nerfs which have completely ruined guns in some cases.

Actually, I would say that their have been 2 or 3 major nerfs in this game.

Falcon

Krysae

and TC

Yet I could give you examples of huge buffs right now:

The Human Engineer buffs.

Female Quarian engineer buffs.

No missile fire delay.

Blade armor and Rage buffs.

Pull buffs

Modifié par iplay222, 08 août 2012 - 09:20 .

[KyreneZA]

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless (emphasis mine).

Ah, yes, "totally useless," we have dismissed those claims. I swear add the word "like" and you have the unholy trio of hyperbole on BSN.

[Poison_Berrie]

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

Actually only five things have had nerfs that can be considered of magnitude.

Falcon
Sabotage
Tactical Cloak
Krysea
Typhoon

Also buffs of magnitude
Blade Armor/Barrier/Fortification
Tech Armor (over an extended period)
Almost all grenades
Adrenaline Rush (over an extended period)
Drell Fitness
Tech Burst and Fire Explosions
Shockwave
Combat Drone
Sentry Turret
Several assault rifles (over an extended period)

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

It sucks to be a nerfer.

[A Wild Snorlax]

100 buffs don't matter if they are too small to make a difference.

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

[iplay222]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

100 buffs don't matter if they are too small to make a difference.

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

I've listed a bunch of buffs that were pretty huge further up. Read it, maybe you'll learn something.

Also, don't try to insult people simply because you have been proven wrong.

Your threads are...amusing.

[Klokos]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
[...]

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

What a compelling argument !

[DHKany]

It's funny especially with the krysae.
People demand to get a sniper rifle with AOE damage like ME1 or something.
They get it.
They cry OP and bioware nerf.
Then they cry that its a useless POS that can't do anything anymore.

/logic.

[WiqidBritt]

Klokos wrote...

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

 I'm sure Gear was a totally pointless buff. 

Gear isn't a "buff". It's an addition to the game.

[Buckapocka]

kevchy wrote...

This is coming from someone who is neutral to all these balance changes.

Honestly, I feel that some these buffs did not do anything to change the balance of multiplayer. I cannot remember the last time a buff opened doors for new and interesting builds. The last time that happened was when they buffed the Hurricane.

Nerfs, on the other hand, have more impact. For example, we don't see the Krysae often anymore, do we? Builds can be made obsolete almost immediately, forcing players to adopt a new strategy in order to compensate or they can abandon it completely. That is why many people around here feel that nerfs are annoying.

EDIT: This time around, I fear that the next upcoming balance changes would render all the new Earth DLC guns redundant and we would be forced to go back to our pre-Earth guns. I hope I am wrong.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Klokos wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
[...]

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

What a compelling argument !

Bet you are one of the many idol worshipping fanboys on this forum, be it either the devs or one of the more prominent posters, you degenerates are part of why this forum/game is an abomination these days.

[iplay222]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Klokos wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
[...]

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

What a compelling argument !

Bet you are one of the many idol worshipping fanboys on this forum, be it either the devs or one of the more prominent posters, you degenerates are part of why this forum/game is an abomination these days.

Oh, this gets better and better.

Btw, If I agree with something does that make me a fanboy?

If i like a certain type of music, am I a fanboy?

If I believe in a certain religon/theory, am I a fanboy?

No, I simply agree with or like something.

I bet you are one of the many idiot anti-balancers on this forum.

Modifié par iplay222, 08 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[DHKany]

iplay222 wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Klokos wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
[...]

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

What a compelling argument !

Bet you are one of the many idol worshipping fanboys on this forum, be it either the devs or one of the more prominent posters, you degenerates are part of why this forum/game is an abomination these days.

Oh, this gets better and better.

*brings out nachos*

[Taddl]

+1

[Klokos]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Klokos wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
[...]

Stop being a fanboy sheep and defending your idols without thinking.

What a compelling argument !

Bet you are one of the many idol worshipping fanboys on this forum, be it either the devs or one of the more prominent posters, you degenerates are part of why this forum/game is an abomination these days.

No, no no you're all wrong I'm an EA employe in disguise.

WiqidBritt wrote...

Gear isn't a "buff". It's an addition to the game.

 Yes, but it still increased the players "power level" a lot.

Modifié par Klokos, 08 août 2012 - 09:52 .