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[Immortal Strife]

Grogimus wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

I have two issues with nerfing: Over Nerfing destroys gun to unusable levels. And class Nerfing ****s up the whole game, example-TC got slammed and now snipers are god awful. A whole weapon class (snipers) became garbage with the snap of a finger.

Out of all the fine posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one....Four Infiltrators did a 10:09 Platinum run yesterday.  Yes, apparently 'snipers' are god awful.....

The whining and hyperbole on this forum is what's god awful.

So four GIs using piranhas means that sniper are in fact good.hmmm, interesting. Your logic is unparalleled.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 08 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Immortal Strife wrote...

My main issue with Piranha is the weight to power balance and how it renders the wraith obsolete.

Wraith's rate of fire does that more than anything, IMO.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 08 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[LoboFH]

/Signed

[RagingDream]

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

You sir, deserve a medal, and the internet. 

It's incredibly sad to see that the tiny buffs to weapons do not in anyway, compare to the nerfs that seemingly take a weapon and smash it to bits.

[Immortal Strife]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My main issue with Piranha is the weight to power balance and how it renders the wraith obsolete.

Wraith's rate of fire does that, IMO.

The wraith needs a buff,  either make it lighter or increase the RoF. I personally would love to see it be a 200% cool down weapon.

[nir_sir]

errr ok arguing over things we cant control. if you can play you get through with any gun or power regardless of buffs or nerfs, the nerfs just make it more of a challenge thats all. and i use the geth SMG with 5 damage at all times and still top score with ease

[BjornDaDwarf]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

I have two issues with nerfing: Over Nerfing destroys gun to unusable levels. And class Nerfing ****s up the whole game, example-TC got slammed and now snipers are god awful. A whole weapon class (snipers) became garbage with the snap of a finger.

Out of all the fine posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one....Four Infiltrators did a 10:09 Platinum run yesterday.  Yes, apparently 'snipers' are god awful.....

The whining and hyperbole on this forum is what's god awful.

So four GIs using piranhas means that sniper are in fact good.hmmm, interesting. Your logic is unparalleled.

My Indra and Valiant Snipers are still totally boss.

That said, the problem with Snipers is not what happened to TC.  It's the most of the Sniper Rifles simply don't match up to the top-tier guns in other categories.  I legitimately think you could double the damage on the Javelin, and it would not be used much more.  But it would be an incredible boss killer at that point. 

I'm not one to ask for buffs or nerfs, don't typically care.  But even I agree that the single shot snipers are simply not powerful enough when compared to alternatives. 

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Grogimus wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

I have two issues with nerfing: Over Nerfing destroys gun to unusable levels. And class Nerfing ****s up the whole game, example-TC got slammed and now snipers are god awful. A whole weapon class (snipers) became garbage with the snap of a finger.

Out of all the fine posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one....Four Infiltrators did a 10:09 Platinum run yesterday.  Yes, apparently 'snipers' are god awful.....

The whining and hyperbole on this forum is what's god awful.

They were using shotguns... Now try to do a speedrun with oneshot Sniper Rifles.

[Grogimus]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

I have two issues with nerfing: Over Nerfing destroys gun to unusable levels. And class Nerfing ****s up the whole game, example-TC got slammed and now snipers are god awful. A whole weapon class (snipers) became garbage with the snap of a finger.

Out of all the fine posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one....Four Infiltrators did a 10:09 Platinum run yesterday.  Yes, apparently 'snipers' are god awful.....

The whining and hyperbole on this forum is what's god awful.

So four GIs using piranhas means that sniper are in fact good.hmmm, interesting. Your logic is unparalleled.

*shrug*  Sorry, I'm not young enough to know everything.

[Jackville Assington]

the nerfs are much more significant and impactful than the buffs. In addition, a bunch of the buffs have been buffs to the enemy that make the game a lot more difficult. After a while, it starts to become unfun. I dont remember being swarmed by 30 phantoms in wave 6 before.

[Rebel_Raven]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My main issue with Piranha is the weight to power balance and how it renders the wraith obsolete.

Wraith's rate of fire does that, IMO.

The wraith needs a buff,  either make it lighter or increase the RoF. I personally would love to see it be a 200% cool down weapon.

Thhe disciple's probably going to beat it to the 200% cooldown mark.

But yeah, the wraith could use a RoF that doesn't take longer than most guns to reload. It's practically a single shot weapon.

[SeaJayX]

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Look at the Krysae when it was introduced.....and look at the Krysae today.
2 very opposite sides of the spectrum...neither are balanced.

Modifié par SeaJayX, 08 août 2012 - 04:58 .

[Bolo Xia]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My main issue with Piranha is the weight to power balance and how it renders the wraith obsolete.

Wraith's rate of fire does that, IMO.

The wraith needs a buff,  either make it lighter or increase the RoF. I personally would love to see it be a 200% cool down weapon.

or give it 1 more bullet it the clip, personally think the wraith is pretty good gun.
i used to think the gun sucked bad too.

as it is, its a decent gun but could be better with 1 more shot per clip, or increase refire rate but leave the reload speed the same... or vice versa maybe.

[wraith27]

There have been some nice buffs (I enjoy tech armor much more now) but too many useless ones (Incinerate)

Problem is that the big nerfs hit the popular stuff. Typical the stuff that makes soldiers compete with casters - it used to be "you can play that soldier as long as you take the Falcon"

Geth buffs are the problem >

[Bivo]

RagingDream wrote...

AbhijitSM wrote...

OP the numbers may mean nothing.
Number of buffs 220 > Number of nerfs 40
But....
Magnitude of nerfs 40 > Magnitude of buffs 220

Seriously whenever bioware has nerfed they seem to render some things totally useless.

You sir, deserve a medal, and the internet. 

It's incredibly sad to see that the tiny buffs to weapons do not in anyway, compare to the nerfs that seemingly take a weapon and smash it to bits.

http://en.wiktionary...i/overstatement

[Bivo]

SeaJayX wrote...

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Look at the Krysae when it was introduced.....and look at the Krysae today.
2 very opposite sides of the spectrum...neither are balanced.

I disagree and find the Krysae balanced now.

[SeaJayX]

Bivo wrote...

SeaJayX wrote...

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Look at the Krysae when it was introduced.....and look at the Krysae today.
2 very opposite sides of the spectrum...neither are balanced.

I disagree and find the Krysae balanced now.

You might want to put in an application at Bioware then.

[Atheosis]

Bivo wrote...

SeaJayX wrote...

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Look at the Krysae when it was introduced.....and look at the Krysae today.
2 very opposite sides of the spectrum...neither are balanced.

I disagree and find the Krysae balanced now.

If by "balanced" you mean mediocre and totally unexceptional in any way, I totally agree.

[KalilKareem]

Dear opponent of balanced weapons,

If the game is too difficult for you without over powered weapons feel free to lower the difficulty. Glad I could help, no need to thank me.

Yours truly,

A only half-way decent gamer that is looking forward to seeing other loadouts than Piranah's in his platinum lobbies

[Creston918]

iplay222 wrote...

There have been around 220 buffs in this game.

And there have been roughly 40 nerfs.

Of the 40 nerfs, approximately 90% of them either made the weapon/power/class useless, or severely hampered its former functionality.

Of the 220 buffs, approximately 95% of them made little to no difference to the thing that was buffed, and I think around 5-10 of them were done to a weapon that was later again NERFED because Bioware has no idea what it's doing, thus negating the entire point of the buff to begin with.

It baffles me that people who cling so tightly to statistics can't see the difference between minor buffs and major nerfs, and simply compare them on an equal-footing basis. You probably also think a basehit is just as valuable as a homerun, don't you?

[Bivo]

SeaJayX wrote...

Bivo wrote...

SeaJayX wrote...

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Look at the Krysae when it was introduced.....and look at the Krysae today.
2 very opposite sides of the spectrum...neither are balanced.

I disagree and find the Krysae balanced now.

You might want to put in an application at Bioware then.

You just don't use the Krysae to explode everything in sight anymore, it is more like a sniper version of the Falcon.
It can reasonably be equiped without being a no brainer like before, wich is more you can say about most weapons in the armory.

Better than most = good enough

[Creston918]

SeaJayX wrote...

The one thing that nerfers, anti-balancers, and buffers can agree on is the people making these changes have no clue what they are doing and this game will never resemble anything that can be seen as balance.

Yup, I will agree to that 100%. I think their balancing is done by throwing darts at a big board with all the weapons/powers on it, and then they flip a coin with heads being Nerf and tails being Buff.

This entire process also takes approximately 10 minutes on Tuesday morning, because I can't imagine that they spend any longer on these "balance changes."

[its THAT guy]

Pyth the Bull wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Of course we needed one more thread like this. Make more of them.

Oh come on, you like these threads. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't post the same exact thing in every single one of them. These threads give you purpose. You are "THAT GUY".

........
I TAKE OFFENSE.

[Computron2000]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

I have two issues with nerfing: Over Nerfing destroys gun to unusable levels. And class Nerfing ****s up the whole game, example-TC got slammed and now snipers are god awful. A whole weapon class (snipers) became garbage with the snap of a finger.

Out of all the fine posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one....Four Infiltrators did a 10:09 Platinum run yesterday.  Yes, apparently 'snipers' are god awful.....

The whining and hyperbole on this forum is what's god awful.

So four GIs using piranhas means that sniper are in fact good.hmmm, interesting. Your logic is unparalleled.

You might want to explain further in case Grogimus doesn't get it

There are 2 main types of infilitrators. The shotgunners and the snipers. The nerf did nothing to the shotgunners as the speed run shows. The nerf, however, did hit the snipers but did little to the snipers who cloaked, shoot, repeat in a single location. The nerf hit the hardest on the sniper infilitrators who revived and did objectives. That was me.

Now i'm a shotgun infilitrator too when using infilitators. LOL!!!

[inferno lizard]

iplay222 wrote...

I've posted these statistics in several threads but nobody seems to take notice.

There have been around 220 buffs in this game.

And there have been roughly 40 nerfs.

Not only does that disprove the 'Constant nerfing' claims so many people make on these forums but it also means this:

Some of you also say that there are constant nerf threads 

Some of you tell Bioware to 'Stop listening to the community'

Put those 2 reasons together and think about this, Surely if Bioware had been listening to the community from the beginning (according to your logic), a hell of alot more guns should have been nerfed, because of these 2 reasons that you often give to enforce your own argument.

Well, when put with statistics, they contradict each other.

I understand that a single person who is against nerfing won't nessercerily agree with some of the statements that others who are against nerfing/balancing make, but for the sake of this argument, I'm putting different reasons that are given together.

im not agiainst balance but guns should be balanced accourding to thier level a widow should be better than a mantis and raptor as the harrier should be better than the phaseton and things of that nature no gun should be OP but no gun should be nerfed into the ground either.