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So I just started an insanity playthrough  - used an ME2 save import instead of ME3 which means I have to use starter weapons until I can find the ones I'm used to. And, y'know, that's cool. I wanna try a different class anyway. Sentinel instead of Vanguard. I figured I'd give the Argus a try, because hey, preorder bonus, right?

So, just got past the first cerberus goon squad on mars. 

Who designed this terrible, terrible weapon?  I preordered because I had good vibes about ME3, and I'm mostly happy with SP and MP, but why are the preorder weapons so incredibly bad?

Atrocious spread (ETA: plus atrocious range) means you have to be in spitting distance to actually do damage. And if you're on the move, well, good goddamn luck getting headshots with this useless thing.

I've taken the frickin Incisor to Gold and survived. But the Argus I wouldn't even take to Bronze with a lvl 20 Destroyer. 

*headdesking forever*

Modifié par alternatefallen, 08 août 2012 - 09:27 .


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devon c greenwell

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If you liked the Argus that much you should try the Valkyrie. An equally impressive ass-ult rifle. Happy I pre-ordered also. N7 defender is also the best in the game! Wow I could be a politician with this kind of quality truth telling! 2016 presidential runner!

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Argus is fine with Level V stability mod and Scope. It's never going to give you the closest groupings, but it does pack a punch as a burst fire AR. Don't bother with headshots with it, center mass will do. I used it almost exclusively for my first soldier run.

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Most of the guns are crap in this game especially ARs. Biased and bad game design favoring power spamming over gun play.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 08 août 2012 - 10:39 .


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The kick back can be reduced with the stability damper mod. With lvl 5, the AR is quite good.

But I still prefer the Valkyrie. :D

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devon c greenwell wrote...

If you liked the Argus that much you should try the Valkyrie. An equally impressive ass-ult rifle. Happy I pre-ordered also. N7 defender is also the best in the game! Wow I could be a politician with this kind of quality truth telling! 2016 presidential runner!


Amusing trolling aside, you are quite wrong with the Valkyrie. Good gun is very good and almost makes the Mattock pointless.

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Valkyrie is actually not bad, Argus does suck though.

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Play Soldier and take Marksman as Bonus Power.

It becomes a beast then. Its best on the second playthrough, when you can get it to X level and have full weapon mods.

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Sora Kitano wrote...

devon c greenwell wrote...

If you liked the Argus that much you should try the Valkyrie. An equally impressive ass-ult rifle. Happy I pre-ordered also. N7 defender is also the best in the game! Wow I could be a politician with this kind of quality truth telling! 2016 presidential runner!


Amusing trolling aside, you are quite wrong with the Valkyrie. Good gun is very good and almost makes the Mattock pointless.


Not sure I'd agree with that - the Valkyrie's annoying double shot means that it loses any precision the Mattock has but doesn't do much extra damage in return. Truth be told, the Mattock is significantly better rifle.

Of course, that's moot, as its  Cerberus-mutated big brother renders virtually everything in the AR category that isn't Adas or Particle Rifle completely obsolete.

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Im playing insanity as a soldier with revrant. Good for crowd control. That and Garis and Javick have saber and partical rifle. Works the whole time. They don't have to worry bout ammo so they get the heavy hitters with low reserves. Bout to take illusive man on so don't hate! And take shield drain as bonus too


Edit new phone with auto correct and don't know how to add words to it

Modifié par devon c greenwell, 08 août 2012 - 08:32 .


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The Valkyrie is the one that's described as an 'imporvment to the avenger, firing 3-round bursts, yadda yadda" right? If so I love that gun. :D

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HNNNNNNG wrote...

The Valkyrie is the one that's described as an 'imporvment to the avenger, firing 3-round bursts, yadda yadda" right? If so I love that gun. :D


Two round burst and yes. It's the Avenger's younger brother. Really nice rifle. Weight is killer though...

Argus becomes an excellent weapon when equipped with a stability dampener. Slight kick when fired out of cover but it's not terrible. It's a weapon that takes some getting used to. Probably one of my favorites next to the Harrier.

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The Argus isn't too bad of an AR. It's basically a Vindicator on steroids (in terms of damage and weight). As mentioned, the stability dampener mod literally cuts down the recoil a lot so that your gun barely moves up. If playing as a Soldier, combine it with an ammo power and go nuts.

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Anyone get the Harrier yet? That thing makes the Mattock totally pointless with headbursts galore.

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Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Anyone get the Harrier yet? That thing makes the Mattock totally pointless with headbursts galore.


Yup. There is now only three assault rifles in ME3. Adas, Harrier and Particle Rifle. Everything else need not apply.

(well, ok, Saber too, but everyone knows that thing just got drunk one night and wandered into the AR class from the SR dorm...)

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The Argus is debatably a weapon that you're either going to love or hate, but the Valkyrie is awesome.

Same weight as the Argus, slightly less damage per shot though that is offset by a higher RoF and much higher accuracy, meaning all your shots will actually hit the target and about the same effective magazine size.

People that say the Valkyrie is a bad weapon either don't have it and let their jealousy speak their mind or simply have no idea what they are talking about, for whatsoever reasons that I can't understand.

It's slightly too heavy though. I don't see why the Argus and Valkyrie should weight the same as the Saber.

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JaegerBane wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Anyone get the Harrier yet? That thing makes the Mattock totally pointless with headbursts galore.


Yup. There is now only three assault rifles in ME3. Adas, Harrier and Particle Rifle. Everything else need not apply.

(well, ok, Saber too, but everyone knows that thing just got drunk one night and wandered into the AR class from the SR dorm...)


How heavy is the Harrier in SP terms?

I'm thinking about getting the Pack, if only for the Harrier, to run with my SG/AR aggressive soldier (Scimitar/Wraith and Saber/Harrier).

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Harrier is amazing, and its extremely light. Its weight at lvl 1 is 1.75 and 1 at lvl 10. Meaning a fully upgraded harrier gives you 40% boost to your cooldowns than a max rev or particle rifle. Its extremely good for low weight and great damage.

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Yeah, the Harrier is significantly lighter than the Argus or Valk; right now it is the AR of ME3 imo.

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zeypher wrote...

Harrier is amazing, and its extremely light. Its weight at lvl 1 is 1.75 and 1 at lvl 10. Meaning a fully upgraded harrier gives you 40% boost to your cooldowns than a max rev or particle rifle. Its extremely good for low weight and great damage.


40% more cooldown bonus than a comparable Revenant/Valkyrie/Argus/Saber?

I'm sold! Going to get BioWare points tomorrow (needed some for the upcoming Leviathan DLC anyway) and get the stuff.

Also, I am sooo looking forward to see Garrus/Ashley rock enemy faces with it (massive damage boosts FTW!). Those two with Harrier and Valiant are going to rock SP. I think I don't even need to do anything after that anymore (might want to test that out then).

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A large majority of guns in this game is initially horrible or ineffective. It is designed like that, because as you get new ranks and also get stronger mods that can patch up the weak sides of each gun, they become either mediocre, good or godlike.

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Yuanrang wrote...

A large majority of guns in this game is initially horrible or ineffective. It is designed like that, because as you get new ranks and also get stronger mods that can patch up the weak sides of each gun, they become either mediocre, good or godlike.


Well, the thing is that the weapons in ME3 are less about being powerful specialists among their roles, but most of it is the powercreep that comes with progressing in the game.

Just an example for ARs:

Vindicator/Valkyrie/Argus should be battle rifles with mainly weight and raw power differences to accomodate your playstyle preferences. Lots of stopping power, decent allround damage, though ineffective for when you need lots of damage fast.

Mattock/Saber should be designated marksman rifles. Accurate and incredibly devastating if you score headshots, but lacking in CQC and burst damage

Avenger/Phaeston/Revenant should be the bullet hoses. Lots of ammunition to simply throw a wall of projectiles at your enemy. Perfect for CQC and lots of burst damage if you hit stuff with it, but otherwise lacking whenever you got targets at a distance.

Weapons like the GPR and the PPR then would suit very specific roles, like shield/barrier toasting and excell at those, whilst having mild capabilities in other areas, for those weapons being lowpowered bullet hose/battle rifle hybrids with good accuracy and RoF.


But instead we have a couple of good weapons, some that don't suck arse and those that are useless from the point on they are introduced.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Harrier is amazing, and its extremely light. Its weight at lvl 1 is 1.75 and 1 at lvl 10. Meaning a fully upgraded harrier gives you 40% boost to your cooldowns than a max rev or particle rifle. Its extremely good for low weight and great damage.


40% more cooldown bonus than a comparable Revenant/Valkyrie/Argus/Saber?

I'm sold! Going to get BioWare points tomorrow (needed some for the upcoming Leviathan DLC anyway) and get the stuff.


Its worth remembering, however, that the Harrier by itself will likely run into ammo problems, even with the Valiant to back it up. While the 40% cooldown bonus may sound good, you may find that you need to pack a seperate weapon to cover periods where you're out - Carnifex probably being the best choice.... which means you've lost a big chunk of the cooldown reduction or you resign yourself to ammo problems every time you deal with a larger engagement.

Of course, this is only really relevant to the PArticle Rifle, as that weapon you can get away with carrying on its own due to its self-regenerating ammo... but against stuff like the Revenant, yeah, pick the Harrier every time.

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LOL good backup for harrier the geth cockroach smg with a ultra light mod. It backs up harrier perfectly and has a ton of ammo if u ever need it it.

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JaegerBane wrote...


Its worth remembering, however, that the Harrier by itself will likely run into ammo problems, even with the Valiant to back it up. While the 40% cooldown bonus may sound good, you may find that you need to pack a seperate weapon to cover periods where you're out - Carnifex probably being the best choice.... which means you've lost a big chunk of the cooldown reduction or you resign yourself to ammo problems every time you deal with a larger engagement.

Of course, this is only really relevant to the PArticle Rifle, as that weapon you can get away with carrying on its own due to its self-regenerating ammo... but against stuff like the Revenant, yeah, pick the Harrier every time.

Think it's going to be caster class exclusive for me, replacing the Vindicator for when I need more firepower and can use biotics or tech to cover the ammo scarceness.

Seemed overpowered at X on my soldier build with explosive incendiary. Harrier is too much like the ME2 Mattock 'I win' button and engagements end far too quickly (I rather like the Hollywood shootouts where your down to your last clip and 'nade). But then I like to vary my loadouts anyway to add variety to the many playthroughs I do.