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[Dragonsword007]

When is Shephard going to remember he's a SPECTRE?
I've only played halfway through ME3 because I've been spending most of my time replaying ME1 and ME2 getting different characters ready for ME3.  By ready I mean, different characters with different love interests, specialties and alignments.  But in playing ME1 and ME2 so often, and then starting ME3 I've always had this nagging question at the back of my mind.
    When is Shephard going to stand up to the Alliance and tell them he doesn't answer to them.  He's a SPECTRE.  The story from the very beginning outlines how the SPECTREs are the "right arm of the Council" and don't answer to anyone except the council.  I can kind of understand how he would still accept assignments from the Alliance in ME1, being a new SPECTRE, he still wants to show he's loyal to and acting in the best interests of the Alliance.
    In ME2, though, he is brought back by and working with Cerberus.  If you followed the Paragon path in ME1 and continued it in ME2 the Council reinstates his SPECTRE status.  So why after the results of the Arrival DLC, does he not tell Admiral Hackett when the Admiral tells him to appear back on Earth "with your dress blues on, ready to take the hit.", that He's a SPECTRE and doesn't answer to the Alliance.
    As a SPECTRE he may decide to help the Alliance from time to time, but as is often said in the dialogue in both games, he is no longer part of the Alliance.
    I would have liked to see Shephard embrace his role as a SPECTRE and since in all 3 games he's working for the benefit of the Galaxy as a whole, that he showed more independence.

[Dragonsword007]

First of all SPECTRE stands for Special Tactics and Reconnaissance, so using all caps is totally appropriate. And secondly, you just reiterated my exact point. THE COUNCIL revoked Saren's SPECTRE status not The Turian equivalent of our Alliance.
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[Ozzy]

When Bioware do.

[Kenshen]

Very few people believed Shep about the reapers so I doubt they would buy that as a reason for blowing up an entire solar system. Also going back to ME1 (I think but def ME2) the council has fears of a war starting with the terminus systems which include the Batarian's (correct me if wrong) so really there is no way they would stand behind Shep.

The begining of ME3 Shepard is not officially part of the alliance though I find it hard to believe that after ME2 and the 6 months of being an alliance guest that he/she would still be listed as missing in action.

[Dragonsword007]

I'm not saying that either the Alliance or the Council would protect Shephard, that idea is all Arcian's in his first reply. Yes, he destroyed a whole system to keep the Reapers from coming and in so doing also destroyed the only evidence that could have cleared him. So the Alliance was hiding him, trying to pretend he didn't exist. That is until the Reapers came knocking on everyone's door.
What I'm asking is why is he in the hands of the Alliance at all? The Alliance doesn't want to risk a confrontation with the Batarians. For the Alliance to distance themselves all they have to say is he's a Spectre answerable only to the Council and they have nothing to do with it. The Council would be the ones to imprison him pending an investigation so he should have been in a C-Sec prison or prison planet somewhere.
But my main question remains, why does he still think he's just an Alliance Soldier and follows their every whim instead of acting like the Agent of SPECTRE, that he's supposed to be.
In ME3 Anderson throws his old dogtags to him and says you're reinstated. Why didn't he throw them back and say he already has been reinstated, by the Council, and his responsibility is now and always was the protection of the Galaxy, not just the Alliance?

[samftrmdfhl]

Good point TS, but maybe in Shepard's heart, deep down inside, Shepard still is, and maybe will always be, an Alliance.

[LoneSpektre]

starlitegirlx wrote...

samftrmdfhl wrote...

Good point TS, but maybe in Shepard's heart, deep down inside, Shepard still is, and maybe will always be, an Alliance.

I think this is true - always alliance. I think all the crap Shepard had to deal with from the council, not to mention how much the turian clearly hated him no matter what shep did, caused Shepard to see that while Spectre status gave more freedom and power in some or even many cases, dealing with the council was a major drawback and they never believed anything Shepard said almost as if it was because humans were a new race so nobody believes humans. But the Alliance treats Shepard with dignity and belives what Shep says and backs him/her until the Arrival situation comes up (which was really them still having shepard's back because much worse could have been done that this house arrest and was it stripped of rank too?). IE: Alliance has your back, council doesn't. So where would your true allegiance be in that case nevermind that the council is new to shepard whereas all shepard histories have shepard joining alliance from around 18 or something IIRC. Figure Shepard is around 30 something that that's a long time? Also, remember that you are nothing more than a 'tool' of the council (and treated as such with no respect at all) - remember how often this came up in various conversations (wrex on virmire, in conversations with council and even in the induction segment in ME1 - you are their tool, actually everyone is their tool as soon as they need whomever or whatever race it is. They treat you as such.

Alliance never treats Shepard that way. Hackett and Anderson had Shepard's back all the way. ALL THE WAY. They trusted Shepard and therefore stood behind his/her decisions while knowing that because of all the political games and toying of the council shep was going to have to pay for decisions that were in the best interest of all (grand scheme wise).

In short, the council is a hypocritial bunch of tools that play god with the galaxy on their terms and each of the three species have done some damage to the galaxy and to various species but they still assume superiority and justify or ignore their own behavior. Turians go to war with us then some hate us for not losing and assist salarians in plying god with the krogans. Asari hides very important info in ME3 until their butts are on the line. Salarians play god with the universe causing problems with rachni and krogan, all of which is their fault. These three species run the galaxy? I'm surprised it didn't implode under their watch. Truly.

Well said.

[Massa FX]

AstusOz wrote...

When Bioware do.

[chelanep]

It also seemed to me that the Council expected the Alliance to facilitate Shepard's maintenance as a Spectre by providing the Normandy and the crew, so therefore also financially. (Though maybe the Council reimburses those expenses?). Also it seems that the Alliance expects that it can make use of Shepard's Spectre status, maybe because it is expected to facilitate any human Spectres. Evidently, the Alliance also has to support the non-human crew Shepard brings along (though again such things may be comped.).

So, Spectres are viewed first and foremost through a species lens, and Shepard is expected to not only maintain ties to the Alliance but to depend on the Alliance for full support.

Modifié par chelanep, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[OMGsideboob]

Arcian wrote...

First of all, you don't write Spectre in all caps. Secondly, Spectres are not above the law when they are charged with war crimes. Saren lost his Spectre status just for attacking Eden Prime. Shepard destroyed an ENTIRE STAR SYSTEM, including a life-bearing garden world (this alone is ranked as one of the worst crimes in Citadel space, the kind that can lose species their embassies and trade agreements), 305,000 people, most of whom were innocent slaves, a planet's worth of irreplacable ecology and biology and potential trillions of credits worth in natural resources.

Do you honestly think you can hide behind your Spectre status when you've ruined this much? Do you honestly believe the Council will cover your ass for it when they cut Saren loose just for looking at Eden Prime the wrong way?

Get back to reality, kid.

Excellent retort.