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[Armass81]

EC pretty much disproved it, tough I kinda knew it was fans grasping at straws evenn before the EC.

[ThaDPG]

SubAstris wrote...

First, BW haven't really shown that they would be up to the task of doing such a thing, and second, IT leaves the game without an ending. It's not impossible, but most people who are against it see that their alternative explanations for everything considered evidence for IT

I agree, it does leave the game with no real ending, but that could be easily fixed with an expansion or post ending DLC.  I know this wasn't BW's intention, but it's a really easy way out of this hole for them

[cactusberry]

I feel like IT is becoming a religion now.

[KneeTheCap]

Armass81 wrote...

EC pretty much disproved it, tough I kinda knew it was fans grasping at straws evenn before the EC.

Would you like to elaborate how it disproved it?

[Armass81]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

EC pretty much disproved it, tough I kinda knew it was fans grasping at straws evenn before the EC.

Would you like to elaborate how it disproved it?

You really think theyre gonna do extended extended cut after all that and say "hey guess what guys, it was all a dream!"

No way. There was an opportunity to prove if IT really was what they had in mind, it has passed now. The endings are as they are.

Modifié par Armass81, 08 août 2012 - 03:06 .

[Soultaker08]

Me3 went gold in november 2011.

So in fact they had !!!!9 Months!!!! to create their "It was all a dream wtf" ending and instead they are wasting their time by even expanding the "Starjar wtf" ending ,
tell you over and over again that the EC represents the end of shepards journey and begin with making story-DLC

But no, there is a great hypothesis, thrown into the forum by some random player, backed up with giant evidence (*sigh*), which is backed up by 10 hours of documentary (*SIGH*), which you need to analyse,watch AND believe in.... (conspiracy here i come!)

and you dare to come here and ask me why i do not believe in IT?

[KneeTheCap]

Soultaker08 wrote...

Me3 went gold in november 2011.

So in fact they had !!!!9 Months!!!! to create their "It was all a dream wtf" ending and instead they are wasting their time by even expanding the "Starjar wtf" ending ,
tell you over and over again that the EC represents the end of shepards journey and begin with making story-DLC

But no, there is a great hypothesis, thrown into the forum by some random player, backed up with giant evidence (*sigh*), which is backed up by 10 hours of documentary (*SIGH*), which you need to analyse,watch AND believe in.... (conspiracy here i come!)

and you dare to come here and ask me why i do not believe in IT?

I apologize if I had offended you or "dared to come here". I was just merely curious, that's all.

[Nordlycht]

TSA_383 wrote...

By and large it's "go here, shoot aliens" or "go here, shoot russians" or "go here, shoot arabs".
"Why? Because we say so."

*yay!* no shooting Germans anymore! *yay!*

IMHO the IT BS based on plotholes and bad game design with BW having the decency (or cleverness) not to publicly take a dump on it. That is what annoys me about it. It obviously lives on the "generosity" of the Devs but takes itself far too seriously ("looky here, we aer effin' clever, aren't we?")

Modifié par Nordlycht, 08 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[Soultaker08]

I know you dont want to offense anyone, i went a little overboard, sorry

[RealSmokki]

I was sure that the IT would be true during the first few weeks after I finished the game. There were so many hints ingame pointing in that dirrection and bioware being very silent.

But during some convention or what ever it was, they pretty much said the endings were as they intended them to be. Then I understood to let it go and accept the endings as they were. Bioware may have thought implementing IT but they never did.

[The Heretic of Time]

Soultaker08 wrote...

Me3 went gold in november 2011.

So in fact they had !!!!9 Months!!!! to create their "It was all a dream wtf" ending and instead they are wasting their time by even expanding the "Starjar wtf" ending ,
tell you over and over again that the EC represents the end of shepards journey and begin with making story-DLC

But no, there is a great hypothesis, thrown into the forum by some random player, backed up with giant evidence (*sigh*), which is backed up by 10 hours of documentary (*SIGH*), which you need to analyse,watch AND believe in.... (conspiracy here i come!)

and you dare to come here and ask me why i do not believe in IT?

Pretty much this.


BioWare specifically made the EC to give us closure. The EC did just that. Now the story is finally over, most people feel closure, some don't, whatever, you can't please everyone. The more important thing is that the EC expanded the current endings we have and goes to great lengths to show us the aftermath of our decision. Why do that if plan to retcon these endings later with an "amazing" indoctrination plottwist?


What the IT does is basically offering BioWare a fancy reset-button that waves off the whole (crappy) ending as "not real, didn't happen, just a dream", just to give BioWare a 2nd chance to write a new, better ending.


It seems that what the IT believes REALLY want, is just a completely new ending. The IT provides an in-game way of resetting the whole score and offering the option of a completely new ending, which is what they really want.


Basically, the IT is just a big fancy combination of the famous All Just A Dream trope and the Reset Button trope. The IT provides a 'Reset Button' through an 'A Just a Dream' retcon.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 03:33 .

[KneeTheCap]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Me3 went gold in november 2011.

So in fact they had !!!!9 Months!!!! to create their "It was all a dream wtf" ending and instead they are wasting their time by even expanding the "Starjar wtf" ending ,
tell you over and over again that the EC represents the end of shepards journey and begin with making story-DLC

But no, there is a great hypothesis, thrown into the forum by some random player, backed up with giant evidence (*sigh*), which is backed up by 10 hours of documentary (*SIGH*), which you need to analyse,watch AND believe in.... (conspiracy here i come!)

and you dare to come here and ask me why i do not believe in IT?

Pretty much this.


BioWare specifically made the EC to give us closure. The EC did just that. Now the story is finally over, most people feel closure, some don't, whatever, you can't please everyone. The more important thing is that the EC expanded the current endings we have and goes to great lengths to show us the aftermath of our decision. Why do that if plan to retcon these endings later with an "amazing" indoctrination plottwist?


What the IT does is basically offering BioWare a fancy reset-button that waves off the whole (crappy) ending as "not real, didn't happen, just a dream", just to give BioWare a 2nd chance to write a new, better ending.


It seems that what the IT believes REALLY want, is just a completely new ending. The IT provides an in-game way of resetting the whole score and offering the option of a completely new ending, which is what they really want.


Basically, the IT is just a big fancy combination of the famous All Just A Dream trope and the Reset Button trope. The IT provides a 'Reset Button' through an 'A Just a Dream' retcon.

But if this is the case, would it not make sense to go with the IT and bask at the glory?

[AlexMBrennan]

Oh, and another thing (personal, your mileage may vary): A work of fiction is only meaningful if it's actually "true" - if you want to invoke "It was all a dream", then you have to do that in the work itself. Otherwise, what's the point? You can always ask "But what if it was all a dream?" because that's not falsifiable (just like the Russel's teapot).

Edit to add:

But if this is the case, would it not make sense to go with the IT and bask at the glory?

That depends on the numbers - IT reeks of denial (you're assuming that Shepard is indoctrinated because it's the only way you can get the ending you want), and there are some that can actually see this and, like myself, would see canonisation of IT as an insult to our intelligence. Remember: A theory that explains everything, explains nothing.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 08 août 2012 - 04:29 .

[Blood shot47]

As much as I want to believe in the IT I just don't... it makes 100% perfect sense but doesn't seem like something bioware to do. I just think its a solider whos been through/seen so damn much, has PTS and just needs to get this over.

[clennon8]

Apparently it needs to be pointed out that some IT'ists don't think "It was all a dream." More like it was a con. Straight-up trickery.

[TODD9999]

The IT is an interesting fan theory. However, I have yet to see any in-game evidence of it which does not have an alternative explanation, nor has BioWare's out-of-game conduct supported it.

[Jaze55]

Let's see. Because BW confirmed the endings are the endings period. Chris Priestly stated it clearly.

Just face it you all have been byned - http://www.urbandict....php?term=Byned

[StElmo]

KneeTheCap wrote...

 I'm quite curious about that, to be honest. If you don't believe in it, why so? Is it that hard to believe that video game writing can be that in-depth? Or do you have a another reason?

Video game industry is still young, but the writing has risen from "The princess is in another castle", is it not? Why are we still regarding books and movies for instance, as superior? Are they truly? Just look at Planescape: Torment and tell me that it's not up to par with any book?

I'm not trying to provoke anyone, nor start any fights. I'm just genuinely curious that why you think IT is impossible?

And while we're at it, please don't fight. We are all in the same boat here, as bioware fans. Try to behave as such, okay?

I think it is awesome, but I want to see results! I want to see shepard wake up and kill some reapers. I hate all this speculation ratcrap. Seriously it's so infuriating. OMG GUYS HERE'S THE END TO YA FRANCHISE GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN TO SPECULATION HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Put that with the pre-release statements and it just makes you damn pissed off.

[RadicalDisconnect]

It was one of the more compelling explanations before the EC, but afterwards, it's clearly not what the writers intended, and pursuing it is honestly a huge stretch at this point.

[chidingewe8036]

Bioware Failed and Casey screwed his own franchise period.

I am not necessarily a full IT believer but I do believe the endings were a desperate indoctrination attempt by the Reapers to stop my Shepard from completely destroying them. So yes I do believe my Shepard was having a indoctrinated dream, nightmare, vision, whatever you want to call it. Some of the evidence presented in the IT was a little much, to much detail.

For those of you who wanted all that proof that was not needed we could have just said "Shepard was hallucenating everything at the end because the Reapers were trying to play with mind" period end of story. All that proof crap was stupid. I believe and will always believe The Reapers were trying a last ditch effort to stop my Shepard by playing games with his mind. Why you ask? what proof do I have?

I don't need any, its my imagination and its my head canon I am not going to make a documentary of the reasons why just to create a stupid debate and try to convince those who don't believe in it that it is true or possible, thats like talking to a brick wall and expecting it to talk back.

I may not have created the original theory but there are certain aspects of it that are sound so i just ran with that and created my own ending with The Reapers toying with my Shepard's mind being the focal point.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

KneeTheCap wrote...

 I'm quite curious about that, to be honest. If you don't believe in it, why so? Is it that hard to believe that video game writing can be that in-depth? Or do you have a another reason?

Video game industry is still young, but the writing has risen from "The princess is in another castle", is it not? Why are we still regarding books and movies for instance, as superior? Are they truly? Just look at Planescape: Torment and tell me that it's not up to par with any book?

I'm not trying to provoke anyone, nor start any fights. I'm just genuinely curious that why you think IT is impossible?

And while we're at it, please don't fight. We are all in the same boat here, as bioware fans. Try to behave as such, okay?

Because no matter how much people tell me, I'll never believe bull**** is gold.

[Ghost]

Soultaker08 wrote...

Me3 went gold in november 2011.

So in fact they had !!!!9 Months!!!! to create their "It was all a dream wtf" ending and instead they are wasting their time by even expanding the "Starjar wtf" ending ,
tell you over and over again that the EC represents the end of shepards journey and begin with making story-DLC

But no, there is a great hypothesis, thrown into the forum by some random player, backed up with giant evidence (*sigh*), which is backed up by 10 hours of documentary (*SIGH*), which you need to analyse,watch AND believe in.... (conspiracy here i come!)

and you dare to come here and ask me why i do not believe in IT?

ME3 went gold in February 2012.

[Home run MF]

KneeTheCap wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Some game writing can be that deep. Not from Bioware though.

What makes you say that? Why would BioWare be unable to do so?

Didn't you read the meme? Bioware s**ks and COD is the pinnacle of videogaming 

[dweller]

Because as astounding as this may seem to you, some people (including me) think IT is a ****ty idea .

Modifié par dweller, 08 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[greatcrusader44]

I liked it in the beginning, but it doesn't make much sense. How does choosing a choice in a dream turn shep indoctrinated? Can maybe see how picking destroy could break from indoctrination ( which even that doesn't make much sense, since he would eventually turn if true, cuz you can't overcome indoctrination for long). But how does picking control (which is compromising with the reapers since you don't kill them) in a dream have Shepard wake up and thinking the reapers are their salvation.

Yes indoctrination can greatly twist your perception to the point where it is practically mind control, but I believe no amount of suggestion to Shepard would make the reapers are good because he picked control in a dream, and he'd know it was a dream the second he woke up in rubble. I do believe the Kid form is a manipulation since it's supposed to provoke sympathy from Shepard, practically confirming shepard being manipulated.