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[MisterJB]

Would you stop bringing real life religion into this? Your hate filled comments are getting old.

[Zkyire]

Nizaris1 wrote...

do you have any points?

whoever support the Templar is supporting the Crusades....

I've already addressed that point earlier in the thread. But I'll not be getting into further discussion about it in this thread since Chris specifically said to stop bringing real world religion into the discussion.

If you really want a discussion about this, stop bringing real-world religion into it or he'll probably lock it down.

[MisterJB]

Ah, so we return to the insane, hateful and biased analogies that mistake "belief" for "fact".
Of course the mages must be the muslims, no other group of people has ever been opressed or persecuted. And the Archdemon, Old Gods, Lovecraftian? Of course not, the AntiChrist, that is what inspired it.

It's pointless to even try to debate this. I'll just stop before I am banned.

[Ausstig]

Nizaris1 wrote...

do you have any points?

whoever support the Templar is supporting the Crusades....

Do you guys think this game using the term "Templar" just because it is an urban legend now? Not only that the Templar in this game and everything related to it are so much similarities with the real Knight Templar. And so the Chantry are so much similarities with the Church.

It is not mere fantasy...they can make it using other names..."Sentinel", "Guardians", whatever and make it look like generic fantasy medieval warriors, but no...the Templar in DA similar to real Templar, not like "Templar" in other games

Also the ritual...it is not fantasy...blood drinking for Grey Warden and Reavers, demon summoning in harrowing, blood magic placathery...all there are real, happening in real life...in real satanic and black magic ritual...the order initiation

Spirit live in other realm, "dream world", get into the world the Veil thin,  possessing mages and live inside a mage or anything...also real...not fantasy...do you ever heard about Star Gate?

Weissup Fortress, Grey Warden above any law... Bavarian Illuminati and "The Skull above any other!"....also real

The Seeker, with All Seeing Eye symbol...the Illuminati and CIA...also REAL

Darkspawn, the Blight and Archdemon? That are yakjuj makjuj, the end time conflict and the Dajjal Antichrist

Mage Templar conflict is none other than Western/USA and Eastern/Muslims conflict...9/11, Gulf War, Afghan War

Qunari invasion is China rising, it is predicted that China will become world power in economy and so on..

everything in this game are based on real life, so stop saying "stop posting real life event/real life religion"

The Qun invasion is actully more similar to the coming of Islam, with Tevinter playing the role of the Eastern Roman Empire. 

Also the Gray Wardens have elements of the Tutoinic Knights who ruled Medevial Prussia. Not the Illuminati, where do you get them from.

They do take elements of history, MEDEVIL history, not modern. 

the Mage-Templar conflict may end up as the Reformation.  

[Rinshikai10]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Lolalei wrote...
Think of the technical advances they'd make as well!

Maybe they'd actually have gun powder by now! Maybe the Fereldans would have dental care?!  

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I have to give credit to this article I found

http://greywardens.c...agic/#idc-cover

Okay, so I read that and it was interesting, but I have to say you did a better job in just a few sentences of explaining their point than they actually did.

Thank you brushyourteeth.

[Xilizhra]

You know, maybe Gaider shouldn't said that "militant Islamic Borg" thing about the qunari.

[Ausstig]

[quote]Nizaris1 wrote...

[quote]Ausstig wrote...
The Qun invasion is actully more similar to the coming of Islam, with Tevinter playing the role of the Eastern Roman Empire.[quote]

I am a Muslim myself, i never see any teaching of the Qun is Islamic, and the Qunari themselves in DA2 look like the Monggols, Chinese. Arishok is like Genghis Khan...they represent China, not Muslims

Arishok also use Sun Tzu art of War, philosophical leader...more to medieval Chinese general.

The Qun base belief is like Communism..."everybody are free to choose in their role", that is not Islamic, but Communist

They also hate Mages...the China just genocide the Uygur Muslims not long ago...

[quote]
Also the Gray Wardens have elements of the Tutoinic Knights who ruled Medevial Prussia. Not the Illuminati, where do you get them from. [/quote]

Teutonic Knights are the other form of Knight Templar, they are not Templar but their role is similar.

it is because i see Grey Warden role is similar to Skull and Bones 322, their immunity to law and the rule..."The Skull above any other"...then the joining ritual is similar to The Skull initiation

Weishup Fortress was build by Bavarian Illuminati[/quote]

No not religion, but in geopolitical terms they are Islam, very advanced check, different religion check, get hit with holy war check.

Skull and Bones are a Secret Society for Yale students.  

The Teutonic Knights are SIMILAR to the Temoplars, in that they are an order of knights not affilated with a nation, but they were very different in their methods, rather then banking they created the nation of Prussia. 

[Xilizhra]

Er, I'm fairly sure Genghis Khan was Mongolian, not Chinese.

[Xilizhra]

So it is okay for Geider relate with real life event but not okay for me...

I really have no opinion on the matter. Carry on if you like; I have nothing against Islam (I have a lot against the cultural practices of several Islamic nations, but I can say the same for a lot of Christian nations as well).

Of course, but Genghis khan clan called the Qin or Chin, where China gets its name.

***after Genghis Khan period, people who lived there are called Qin-na, later China (Cin -na) due to slang. chinese emperors later are from his descendants

I'm fairly sure that came from the Qin dynasty, the one led by Shi-Huang Di that was followed by the Han.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[Reznore57]

David Gaider was using a metaphor ...he never meant that The Qun was related to islam.

And again , it's no use to use one religion and claim that's what it's all about.
Because it's obviously not.
All big religions used propaganda , butchered in the name of their faith etc...
I will say it again love your neighbor but kill the heathen always been quite popular in christianity /islam etc....
.

And the qun is not related to one thing , their society works almost like communist , though they have a philosophy that every being is worthy and have a purpose at birth.

So thinking that Gaider and co thoughts "hey muslim are mages /templar are the usa governement" let's write about that ....
Well , I don't think so sorry....
Those concept may have influence them , sure , like ****s and jews , american /european and american native etc....and so much more .

And i kind of wish this threat to be locked because i really don't think , the discussion is healthy anymore .

It's a forum to talk about a fictionnal piece of work , and sure we can have interesting discussion , how power corrupt , how the need of the many outweight the few, the use of propaganda etc...
But we can't have this conversation , bringing in IRL events all the time just to say lookk at me I'm right.

And Nizaris1 , you want to talk about your culture , I think it's great.
You want to prove A point about your culture , find another forum , I really don't think it's the place for that.

[LolaLei]

Lol this thread is still going? Crazy lol.

[Xilizhra]

Yup, Qin dynasty are not really "Chinese" they are Monggols, some "Chinese" not consider them as "Chinese"...now it is confusing right?

China itself have many tribes, clans. The Ming Dynasty (Muslim) always have conflict with with the Qin, Ming Dynasty fall Qin rise to power

The Han is one of the largest tribe in China, the Muslim version is Hun. Hun is supporter of Ming Dynasty

I... don't think so. The Mongol-controlled dynasty was the Yuan, established after they ousted the Song. The Yuan was replaced by the Ming later, I think... but the Qin dynasty is far older than that, hundreds of years at least; it may even be over a thousand years older. Long, long before the Mongols ever showed up.

[Zkyire]

Nizaris1 wrote...

***mages and Templar working together against Qunari invasion ring a bell here...

- they come in horde - check
- they have one phylosophical leader - check
- they are military community - check
- they have gun powder - check (Chinese who have gun powder first before Muslims then Europe))

***oops i read geopolitical as genocidal...whatever...lols anyway, Arishok is Genghis Khan meaning symbolize Chinese

- They came in an organised fashion, not just to conquer but to 'enlighten'. The Mongols had no such intentions other than conquest.
- The actually have 3 leaders.
- They're not a military community. The military is just one arm of Qunari society. There are others.
- The ancient Chinese and Mongols were rules by Emperors or Khans, a single man. The Qunari are rules by 3 people: The Arishok, the Arigena and the Ariqun. Each possessing equal power. They are not comparible to the Chinese or Mongols.

Nizaris1 wrote...

I take it as this is the way i want to dig what this game want to show...up to you guys can compromise or not...and up to the moderators to allow it or not

I hate to be 'that guy' but:

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The rules already disallow it, and by continuing to talk about it; you're increasing the likelihood of the thread being locked.  Then there wont be a discussion.

Modifié par Zkyire, 13 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[Chris Priestly]

We do not discuss real world religion here. If you do AND are deliberately tryign to get a forum thread closed, you will be banned.

Please continue to discuss Dragon Age and not the real world.

[King Cousland]

You're simply over-analysing Nizaris, and looking at things through quite a narrow, compact scope. While many aspects of DA can be compared with things in the real world, that isn't the case for many of the things you're talking about. The arguments you make lose even more credibility when you project prejudices onto them.

I don't see any point in this thread being kept alive since we're going around in circles with the OP insulting and disregarding anybody who doesn't agree with her, along with entire cultures.