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[Dave of Canada]

I don't see the imprisonment of mages as "justice", I see it as protection. Completely unrelated to the idea of justice, simply because justice--as in the modern concept which you apply to Thedas--doesn't exist.

Circles are the compromise because they were founded by mages alongside the Chantry, they have their own autonomy and vote for the fate of all mages throughout Thedas. They voted against rebellion until the events of Asunder and even then they only voted to go for war by one vote.

You don't want compromise, you want total freedom and call it compromise. That's silly, you can't compromise without having both sides make concessions. Mage concessions is freedom.

That simple.

I don't care, i will always post about it

Then you're intentionally trying to throw loaded words into arguments, except a reaction and call it an "argument". That's poor arguing and pretty much border-line against the rules of this site, so I'd stop.

You know, creating actual arguments rather than relying on fallacy.

[Dave of Canada]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The concept of justice i implement here is not modern, it is 1433 years ago, even before medieval

But the concept of justice you're applying never existed for anyone then, the whole "everybody gets treated equally" is the modern idea of "justice" you're applying to mages. In the past, plague "victims" were quarantined and killed, whether they were sick or not didn't actually matter (Rather poor comparison, I admit) because the risk outweighed the rights.

Justice is "to put the things where it should be"

Injustice is "to put the things not where it should be"

Oh? And who dictates this?

No, the Mages here is NOT Circle mages, Not Tevinter Imperium magister, not Apostate, not Blood Mage....but ALL mages. understand?

Clearly you do not understand what i am talking about. 

Sorry, I can't understand what you're talking about because you're not making sense. You keep talking about the Chantry and how they refuse your "compromise", now you're talking about all mages--even those not under the Chantry.

Make a cohesive point, stay with it and maybe we can talk.

Mages born everyday in Thedas, it is natural phenomenon. That is where it belong, that is where it should be. The decision is not from Chantry, Circle Mage, tevinter Imperium, Apostate and Blood mage. It is NATURE 

What the hell kind of argument is this? We've--as in humanity in general--done many things against nature, it's part of survival. Sometimes nature isn't what's best for everyone, something being natural =/= being fine and dandy.

To bring JUSTICE is to bring it back to where it belong, the NATURE

Justice has nothing to do with nature, it's about whoever is in charge's code of ethics.

That is compromise, the Chantry don't compromise with the nature itself. 

Now I know you don't know what that word means.

Throw away the Chantry, the Circle, tevinter Imperium, Apostate, blood mage, templar...these all are BULLCRAPS...bring it back to the nature...that is what Anders is doing, understand? 

That's what your head-canon tells you?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 août 2012 - 08:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

Nizaris1 wrote...

But the concept of justice you're applying never existed for anyone then, the whole "everybody gets treated equally" is the modern idea of "justice" you're applying to mages. In the past, plague "victims" were quarantined and killed, whether they were sick or not didn't actually matter (Rather poor comparison, I admit) because the risk outweighed the rights.

It is the basis of JUSTICE IN ISLAM you western people NEVER know about it. It is not modern concept.

Oh? And who dictates this?

Allah

And this is why nobody can take you seriously.

[Reznore57]

Welcome to the Jungle?

Nature isn't fair , nor care about justice .It's a human concept.
Nature made mages born "different" in the first place.Many mages may feel it's a cruel joke.(or like winning at the lottery , it depends^^)

Now about justice , Isabella has a really fine banter about it.

Anders: There is justice in the world.
Isabela: Is there? You want to free the mages. Let's say you do, but to get there, you kill a bunch of innocent people.
Isabela: What about them? Don't they then deserve justice?
Anders: Yes.
Isabela: And then what? Where does it end?
Isabela: It's like a bar brawl. People are continuously pulled into the fray, and nobody remembers why it started.
Isabela: Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world.


That's the idea.
Andraste brought justice to the slaves .She freed them .Then the slaves emprisoned the mages back.
Now the mages wants justice too , to have that , they're probably gonna killed some people.Some mages are gonna lose it and go all abominations like...
Then the mundane victims gonna ask for justice too...and it's never gonna end.

I'm not saying that mages shouldn't do anything about their situation.Things obviously needs to change.
But they need a bigger plan than just claiming freedom blindy.
Their hunger for freedom will hurt some people.They need to know this.

But well , i guess any revolution came at a price. But what's fair to some won't be to others.

[Dave of Canada]

Reznore57 wrote...

But well , i guess any revolution came at a price. But what's fair to some won't be to others.

Basically how I see things, I'd rather keep mages sealed away because they're in the minority and free mages would basically result in more devastating wars because whichever nation has the most mages wins conflicts.

Least the Chantry keeps mages free from monarchs who'd use them as a resource, feeds and shelters them and teaches them their abilities (or dealing with those who'd pose risks).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 août 2012 - 08:31 .

[Dave of Canada]

Nizaris1 wrote...


Why must making it Muslim vs Non Muslim argument?

You're the one who keeps bringing it up, we're discussing fictional beliefs in a fictional world but you keep referencing your religion / faith / how evil americans are and everything. You're too self-absorbed into your own beliefs when discussing fiction.

Then you say things like this and just make yourself look unreasonable:

It is you, and your people who ever don't want to learn about others, arrogant, ignorant, inconsiderable, intolerable, never compromise!

So i am done here

I loathed with arrogant western...

Guess this thread is done for. /shrug

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 août 2012 - 08:49 .

[Spicen]

@Nizaris- The templars are not hypocrites. They are the symbol of justice, faith and order. They have to kill the mages if need be. Infact i cant believe that templars can even tolerate mages. Mages are an epidemic a disease which must be eradicated. I say, let the Templars kill mages when they are children. In the real world look at USA they are like templars killing any muslims in their way. This is bcoz muslims are rodents, disease and a black death to us. The mages are like moslems and must be killed. If USA is keeping order by killing muslims why cant the templars kill  mages?

[ObserverStatus]

Nizaris1 wrote...
I don't care
And that is why your people are ignorant...
We in the east know about you, you in the west know nothing about us in the east....
At least i know to speak and write in English...i doubt you can even spell a single word in my language....

berdengung mogok Pembedahan

Modifié par bobobo878, 12 août 2012 - 08:51 .

[ObserverStatus]

Nizaris1 wrote...
berdengung - humming
mogok - strike
Pembedahan - surgery
do you know that google translator is unreliable for Malay Language?
And we don't use Capital letter at the last word

Okay, you got me, what's your word for these things?

Modifié par bobobo878, 12 août 2012 - 09:00 .

[ObserverStatus]

Nizaris1 wrote...

mengundi untuk Ron Paul 2012

LOL
mengundi - voting
undilah - vote for
so "vote for Ron Paul 2012" should be "undillah Ron Paul 2012"

Wait, you think you're smarter than google translate?  Who's arrogant now?