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[CronicleChicken]

Kevinng1990 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Kevinng1990 wrote...

Ernest Tse wrote...

ka243 wrote...

What is bioware's stance on playing with 6/6/6/6/6 characters obtained due to the current bug? Is it a bannable offense?

Yes, bannable if exploited. Those who use this glitch will have an unfair advantage over others. Please try and avoid this glitch. For those who were to unintentionally come across this glitch, there are ways to correct yourself.

Play another character of the same class until you can promote that class. This will reset your character's skill point allocations.

or

Use a powers reset consumable if you have one available.

After resetting your skill points using the above methods, only use the intended amount of skill points.

EDIT: added an "or" between 2 methods and fixed spelling mistake:whistle:

O.M.G.!!!! i have a couple of maxed out characters too and i have been using them because it hought it was a blessing from bioware! just read your reply on this thread. i will go and promote them to reset them back right away! but does this mean i am going to get banned because i used them before???

My condolences that you have to adjust because of a glitch you did not intend to use and are forced to act a certain way so you won't get banned. Bioware is  the victim here and you, you are another offender. This kinda implied enviroment is really making me sick. 

hey, people don't choose to be glitched ok, some of us just reset our powers and end up getting more points but this does not mean we cheat ok. and 4 the record, using a maxed out 6 level character does not grant u any "super" unfair advantage over others, u still die easily on gold and platinum and get sync killed and stun locked like any other and enemies don't exactly start dropping like flies all over ok. so take ur grief elsewhere will u.

Dude, I think Bioware shouldn't scare us because there are glitches in their game that we bought. I know you are not cheating. How do I know this? Because the first time it happened to me, I had your same reaction. If I choose to play with that character or not, is on me and I don't think that anyone should make me change my style of play because of a glitch unforseen and un sought for. Do you see the sarcasm in my above comment. I'm defending you and not being Bioware's pet.

Modifié par CronicleChicken, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:02 .

[Stinger14s]

This is the same as performance enhancing drugs... you can still fall, you can still be killed by a train, and you can still be struck by lightning - the fact is: you have an advantage over the other PLAYERS and this is wrong. This is why Bioware Banishes people. They CHOOSE to use befits that are obviously NOT available to the other players (who choose NOT to cheat). Using this once, by mistake is one thing... doing again, even twice - is simply wrong....and you know it... come on guys, pretty simply logic - quit justifying it.

[Der Ivan91]

yeah, but I'm still waiting for BW 2 answer my question (the fast object retrieval trick)

[stromguard555]

Der Ivan91 wrote...

yeah, but I'm still waiting for BW 2 answer my question (the fast object retrieval trick)

I would assume they would say it is, because you physically trigger it, rather than just happening randomly. Also because earning credits are involved, that it would fall under bannable. But this is just my observation, I do not speak for bioware.

[Der Ivan91]

@bioware:

Ban less- only ban the ones who actually cheat, the ones who accidentally profit from some glitch (or simply don't know that profiting from a cheater by being member in the party, not being the cheater him/herself because they never visited this forum)

Just reset the N7 rating and tell them that the next time they will get a temporary ban. The more people they ban the less people play the game--> less people use microtransactions--> less money 4 bioware and less money for future content, whatever it may be

If you catch them ACTUALLY cheating (editing the .ini files, botting, hacking THEMSELVES- do it like the folks from BF3- drop the banhammer HARD, ban their ENTIRE Origin account

Just imagine you never were here at THIS forum (or the cheating section atleast) and they happen to play a few round platinum with some1 using the infinite missile glitch (I think you can't do that one anymore anyways, so have I heard), you are pretty much a beginner, meaning you just got a... let's say a N7 Destroyer through luck and play platinum. The glitching dude stays with you for... say 5 Matches (since you are inexperienced in ME3 you don't really get that he is actually playing dirty)

Now... A single (successful) platinum game gives you about 130 000 credits --> 650 000 Credits to spend, meaning about six premium spectre packs plus some other stuff

Soo, Our dude is happy with the new earned equipment, thinks the player he played with is simply just very skilled (since our glitcher has likely a very high N7 rating) and maybe tries to play with him again (not realizing that he is profiting from a glitcher)

aaaannnnd: then, by the next ban wave.. boom- he can't access his multiplayer, wonders why (does not bother checking his mails at first) and asks EA support what the hell is wrong with his game (thinks it is a malfunction of his game, maybe reinstalls it to try to fix the problem), EA support patches him through to bioware (I heard at some point in here that they do that) and he finally hears that he got banned 4 profiting from the actions of a cheater (cannot get any accurate info because bioware won't tell him, the bioware dude her explained why somewhere in this thread).

Our little dude is extremely pissed off and diappointed (and even more confused) and starts whining about "unban me", "I haven't cheated", "what the hell do you mean I profited from the actions of a cheater" (note that he does not recognize his "buddy" as a cheater, who got banned too- hopefully)

Eventually bioware simply abandons his case (because he gets tiresome, they cannot just talk out every detail with every "victim" of that procedure, I can understand that, at some point the discussions starts to become very childish otherwise), and says he should accept he got banned and stick to singleplayer and that he can still get the SP DLC regardless of his ban (though he will have to spend quite some time exploring the galaxy if he wants the "best" ending because of the war assets)

==> then he eventually goes here to the forum (if he didn't make use of it earlier he may stumble upon it while looking for Mass effect 3 news in Google) and starts a thread about unjust bans... Now some folks who had a similar fate (and some who took advantage of a cheater on purpose and play innocent) join the party too ---> nightmare 4 bioware, lots of people pissed off about unfair bans


So yeah, that's why you folks should loosen up the bans for people who play a few rounds with a glitcher a bit, give them a proper explanation (for example, point out the right thread in the forum, they might learn a lot here, I also didn't really bother with the forum till summer)

AND: give the people (who "profited from the actions of a glitcher/cheater" a proper explanation and warn them accordingly, I am sure lots of people get banned like I described it up there and are pretty pissed at bioware because they got little info

Note: This did NOT happen to me, neither did this happen to some1 I know, I simply pieced together what might very well happen according to what was written here in the forum and according to how bioware reacts to some1 who profits from cheaters and does not realize it due to his/her inexperience

I have written that so that some dude from bioware clears that up and maybe improves on this, I really get the feeling at some point that there are barely any people playing and multiplayer with very few people is quite boring

PS:
People might find matches faster if they know how many parties are open on each map under the selected circumstances (enemies, difficulties, etc), only display a number under the map name, that would help a lot when it comes to searching for a game

I really hope for an answer for my question about the "fast retrieval trick" too, since it is related too and I ask the players here not to use it unless bioware says it is okay to use it (since I see more and more people doing it)- wait for bioware's okay, if you don't wanna use it, just use one of the new turians, their heavy melee makes you move a bit faster too and jumping into the extraction zone with the jetpack looks quite epic too XD )

[Der Ivan91]

Sorry for the long Post 

[ErrorTagUnknown]

Ernest Tse wrote...

ka243 wrote...

What is bioware's stance on playing with 6/6/6/6/6 characters obtained due to the current bug? Is it a bannable offense?

Yes, bannable if exploited. Those who use this glitch will have an unfair advantage over others. Please try and avoid this glitch. For those who were to unintentionally come across this glitch, there are ways to correct yourself.

Play another character of the same class until you can promote that class. This will reset your character's skill point allocations.

or

Use a powers reset consumable if you have one available.

After resetting your skill points using the above methods, only use the intended amount of skill points.

EDIT: added an "or" between 2 methods and fixed spelling mistake:whistle:

now....   while i personally have no problem promoting....and i have yet to encounter this glitch...
it seems a little unfair to ask somebody to to promote (if they don't want to) or use a reset card (which are in limited supply and you could hypothetically never get another of) to fix this....  i take it in most cases they didn't deliberately enter into this state?  but it's on them to either reset a class to level 1 (when they don't like promoting) or use one of their consumables (that have to be acquired randomly) to fix it?
i would think that if this is going to be a bannable offense, there should be some way provided for these people to get themselves back into an unglitched state without having to do either one of these thigns?  E.g. they contact you guys and are somehow provided a special 'pack' that contains an extra reset card....may not be easy on your end....  but again - if it's not their fault they entered this state....

[Zartarc]

Ernest Tse wrote...

ka243 wrote...

What is bioware's stance on playing with 6/6/6/6/6 characters obtained due to the current bug? Is it a bannable offense?

Yes, bannable if exploited. Those who use this glitch will have an unfair advantage over others. Please try and avoid this glitch. For those who were to unintentionally come across this glitch, there are ways to correct yourself.

Play another character of the same class until you can promote that class. This will reset your character's skill point allocations.

or

Use a powers reset consumable if you have one available.

After resetting your skill points using the above methods, only use the intended amount of skill points.

EDIT: added an "or" between 2 methods and fixed spelling mistake:whistle:

I have used one of these in one match. Will you ban me for this?

[gw2005]

CronicleChicken wrote...

Kevinng1990 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Kevinng1990 wrote...

Ernest Tse wrote...

ka243 wrote...

What is bioware's stance on playing with 6/6/6/6/6 characters obtained due to the current bug? Is it a bannable offense?

Yes, bannable if exploited. Those who use this glitch will have an unfair advantage over others. Please try and avoid this glitch. For those who were to unintentionally come across this glitch, there are ways to correct yourself.

Play another character of the same class until you can promote that class. This will reset your character's skill point allocations.

or

Use a powers reset consumable if you have one available.

After resetting your skill points using the above methods, only use the intended amount of skill points.

EDIT: added an "or" between 2 methods and fixed spelling mistake:whistle:

O.M.G.!!!! i have a couple of maxed out characters too and i have been using them because it hought it was a blessing from bioware! just read your reply on this thread. i will go and promote them to reset them back right away! but does this mean i am going to get banned because i used them before???

My condolences that you have to adjust because of a glitch you did not intend to use and are forced to act a certain way so you won't get banned. Bioware is  the victim here and you, you are another offender. This kinda implied enviroment is really making me sick. 

hey, people don't choose to be glitched ok, some of us just reset our powers and end up getting more points but this does not mean we cheat ok. and 4 the record, using a maxed out 6 level character does not grant u any "super" unfair advantage over others, u still die easily on gold and platinum and get sync killed and stun locked like any other and enemies don't exactly start dropping like flies all over ok. so take ur grief elsewhere will u.

Dude, I think Bioware shouldn't scare us because there are glitches in their game that we bought. I know you are not cheating. How do I know this? Because the first time it happened to me, I had your same reaction. If I choose to play with that character or not, is on me and I don't think that anyone should make me change my style of play because of a glitch unforseen and un sought for. Do you see the sarcasm in my above comment. I'm defending you and not being Bioware's pet.

Unfair advantage of other? IN WHAT WAY?! Because you will literally have less fun with a teamate who will marginally do better than you in a COOP match? tse tse tse...

oh and btw, if you're not careful --- PERMA BAN!!!!

[gw2005]

funny how every ban is a perma ban. not warned, not explained, not negotiable. Someday, some moron sees one too many missile kill, send in a report, and BOOM, you're out of the game forever, along with half the game you paid for. Great way to keep your player base, and fan base no less.

[Der Ivan91]

yeah, they could do it that way:
-) Only permaban the actual cheaters/hackers/exploiters/glitchers
-) If you really wanna ban someone who happened to be in a few matches wit a cheater and already spent the credits- ban him for one or two weeks, that is more than enough to get most people more aware of this problem, there is no need to permaban them (and most people won't report themselves because they didn't realize what they are doing is bannable or think it will be overlooked)

[DeathIsHere]

Ernest Tse wrote...

ka243 wrote...

What is bioware's stance on playing with 6/6/6/6/6 characters obtained due to the current bug? Is it a bannable offense?

Yes, bannable if exploited. Those who use this glitch will have an unfair advantage over others. Please try and avoid this glitch. For those who were to unintentionally come across this glitch, there are ways to correct yourself.

Play another character of the same class until you can promote that class. This will reset your character's skill point allocations.

or

Use a powers reset consumable if you have one available.

After resetting your skill points using the above methods, only use the intended amount of skill points.

EDIT: added an "or" between 2 methods and fixed spelling mistake:whistle:

Is there any plans to make this known to the public or is it just gonna be one of those "Oh, you should have known better than to use all those skill points despite no indication that it's a glitch anywhere in the game"? I don't mean to sound hostile but there are surely gonna be players that don't understand it's a glitch and will get a 6/6/6/6/6 build without realizing it's against the rules. Banning them without making it clear that it's against the rules is unfair.

A splash screen, a note somewhere, something to at least give the playerbase notice that hey, that's not ok. But without that warning, you're banning people for a mistake on your end that can happen completely independently of any action from the user. All it takes is for them to not put 2 and 2 together on why they have so many skill points and boom. They're now likely to be banned? I don't see how that works out. This glitch isn't like the missle glitch. It doesn't give you a win button nor does it actually require you to knowingly set it up and put it in action. For that reason, it shouldn't be a bannable offense. It needs to be patched, obviously, and until then you guys should either not ban people over it (since you have no way of knowing if the person knows it's a glitch/exploit or not) or put up something so people don't just randomly get banned for something that's your fault to begin with with no prior warning that it was against the rules (Saying it gives them an unfair advantage is somewhat true, but how do they know it wasn't intentional on your part? There's no way to know without coming here and seeing this topic and you guys have said multiple times that BSN is a small fraction of the playerbase).

[Der Ivan91]

agreed, but it does not look like bioware wants to bother with these "minor details", they are too busy developing future content/games

It is always the same with game developers, regardless what game it is about, they ALWAYS end up doing something great, fix INITIAL problems and the focus too much attention on2 the DLCs or the next game and don't listen to the REALLY important advices of the community, like for instance they should think over more carefully when they issue a permanent ban, like this they are destroying their own fanbase. And they WILL need it when they intend to introduce some new game to the community

==> be a little more tolerant towards people who benefit from the actions of a cheater, ban them for a week or two if you really feel that they should get banned.

After a month of being unable to access ME3 MP they will have learned their mistake and most likely never repeat it again. Remember, some people do this BECAUSE you folks make such a fuss about it. Fell free to drop the banhammer when you have to, but hit the DAMN TARGET!!!!

Your current cheating policy is a disgrace to the mass effect series to say the least, you RUINED THE WHOLE SERIES WITH IT!

[gw2005]

The only people who should get banned are those who consistently make any match they're in 20min of misery for the other three. If somebody want to add a billion credit to themselves, and that's all they do, have at it. I couldn't careless. So long as you're using weapons that are supposed to be in the game, and the way they're supposed to be used, I'm fine with it.

I haven't encountered a single case of rocket glitch yet, or maybe I missed it. But if my game was totally ruined because one guy was rocket killing everything in sight and I was just standing there. Then I'd report the person, otherwise, say there person had some awesome lvl10 weapons with a double digit N7 rating, I could careless.

[JohnDoe]

speaking of bans and stuff.. is there a way to report bugs?
because the destroyer as quite a few bugs that are very annoying with one of the best weapons.

A) using Destroyer + hurricane = no reloading
using destroyer + hurricane + stability packs or bonus gear = no stability bonuses applied to the hurricane ( it still kicks awful). Tried all stability gear bonuses and consumables with the hurricane.. they do not WORK with the destroyer.
C) Destroyer + Hurricane + stability skill bonus = worse stability (kicks even more!, all other guns are fine)
D) Destroyer + hurricane + Damper V = stability works perfect.


but yeah.. hurricane + boosts + armor piercing or ice = dead atlas in 2 clips.

[Der Ivan91]

bioware clearly hasn't done the homework b4 releasing several DLCs into the wild^^

[JohnDoe]

forgot to mention... getting into cover with the destroyer.. he gets WORSE stability than firing just standing... this is with ALL GUNS.

[Der Ivan91]

Well, I didn't notice that with the detroyer, are you sure you activated devastator mode and chose the proper upgrades?

Because I don't have any problems with it

[EricPhail]

If the 6/6/6/6/6 thing is bannable you might want to edit it into the Opening Post so people know that it's bannable and don't do it.
We still seem to be waiting on the pizza run by drop/grab thing, any response on that glitch/trick/technique Bioware?

[Major Durza]

Any word on macros? I want to use a burst-fire Mattock (Since all the current burst weapons kinda suck).
Not modding the game in any way, its just when I click once it clicks 3+ times.

[Der Ivan91]

you mean the macro PC mouses?
dunno, I can't see much of a difference to being a fast clicker (and a Cerberus Harrier offers greater damage per shot AND more DPS than the Mattock anyways)

And it is kinda BW's fault to make the "normal" (meaning not rare/ultra rare) weapons that weak, they should buff the lower weapons A BIT, so that they don't stay only "the favorite weapon that I used to choose"

Just a little buff is fine, they are greatly inferior to the other guns as it is now, even when they are maxed out and used skillfully

Let's just wait for the guys from BW to answer our questions (hell, they should do what they are paid to do, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY or here, provide answers when questions are asked)

[Phlogisticated]

Stinger14s wrote...
This is the same as performance enhancing drugs... you have an advantage over the other PLAYERS

Your analogy falters in that you can't pay the IOC to award you tools that allow you to perform better than other athletes. The only reason the guns and gear exist in I...X versions is to give people who have spent more (cash or credits) an advantage over people who have spent less.

All this sanctimony from Bioware would be much more convincing if they were not selling "performance enhancing drugs" themselves.

[ZerebusPrime]

Are there still rocket glitchers out there? I'm trying to decide if this person I saw was cheating or just an idiot. I left the game too quickly to discern the truth. They would have expended all their rockets by the end of wave 2, but it's possible to hold as many as I saw shot on the score counter. Seems wasteful for a silver game...

[Der Ivan91]

well, if you are only 30k credits away from a premium spectre pack and you have a big deal of missiles, why not? if used properly a good team (all 4 have 6 missiles to fire --> 24 missiles in total) it is theoretically possible (if they get only "elimitate targets" objectives) that they blitz the map in about five minutes, IF they organize themselves properly- they don't waste their missiles on the first 5 waves and then they can use 3 or 4 missiles per wave)

That's also a pretty simple way to get through a collector Platinum match with not very much effort- good teamwork and excessive missile launcher use starting from wave 7 or 8, depending on just how hard it gets

[ZerebusPrime]

Der Ivan91 wrote...

well, if you are only 30k credits away from a premium spectre pack and you have a big deal of missiles, why not? if used properly a good team (all 4 have 6 missiles to fire --> 24 missiles in total) it is theoretically possible (if they get only "elimitate targets" objectives) that they blitz the map in about five minutes, IF they organize themselves properly- they don't waste their missiles on the first 5 waves and then they can use 3 or 4 missiles per wave)

That's also a pretty simple way to get through a collector Platinum match with not very much effort- good teamwork and excessive missile launcher use starting from wave 7 or 8, depending on just how hard it gets

That's great but this was a Silver match and he was blowing things up with reckless abandon from the moment I entered the game in progress at wave 1.   Cerberus troopers aren't worth that.