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[k1ngl1ves]

The first step is admitting your guilt, Jeff. (stands up and claps) May others take your actions to heart and stop being cheating whiners! People should reap what they sow!

[Manimal]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

A users agreement is an undeniable bond/contract that will hold up in any court of law.

Not even close.

[k1ngl1ves]

Shell out a ton of cash and prove me wrong.

[Manimal]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

Shell out a ton of cash and prove me wrong.

I don't have to.  You are wrong.  I won't go into too much detail on here, but it's kind of my job to know the law, and any EULA or ToS, no matter how well written, is still a contract of adhesion, and therefore open to scrutiny if challenged in court.  In addition, chances are that if it got all the way to a judge, he or she would have to send it on to a jury, because he or she wouldn't want to be the one who set the precedent, whether for or against.  Sorry.

[k1ngl1ves]

Give me an example, in the case of a video game licensing users agreement. I'll make it easy on you. There isn't one. You are only purchasing a license to use a product, not own it. A license can be barred from a user if they are found to be augmenting the product for malicious intent(in this case stealing from EA's RNG store program), or in a way that is unlawful(a good example would be DUI). All of this is in a users agreement. Do not forget that this product is patented and/or copyrighted. You would have no leg to stand on in court, given the evidence that EA would have as their defense. If you feel that I am still wrong, then I would recommend you post on this website info on where banned individuals can sign up for a class action lawsuit that you have started on their behalf. Good luck. My guess is that won't happen.

[k1ngl1ves]

  Furthermore, this users agreement is not a contract of adhesion. If you are refering to the fact that you have to agree to the terms to use the license, then your idea is not warranted.  You are not being forced into an agreement for something that is considered a need in life, or even beneficial. The game is not a life necessity, nor is it unique.  In fact, there are many other options that you can choose to play instead.  You can agree to the terms and use the game for the rest of your life if you want. You are free to use it anywhere you want. Just leave the mechanics/coding as it is.

  If you do not agree, you can simply spend your time doing something else. You can even throw your license away, or give it away if you would like. It is not an unbalance of power like you seem to suggest. For others reading this, a Contract of Adhesion is an agreement that overwhelmingly favors only one side of the agreeing parties, sometimes with a hidden agenda to heavily penalize the lesser party if stipulations are not followed carefully.  The agreement with EA is in no way that definition.


Edit: rewritten for clarity and punctuation issues.

Modifié par k1ngl1ves, 22 août 2012 - 05:50 .

[k1ngl1ves]

There is nothing in the users agreement that is so unfair to be considered unconscionable. It would not even be deemed worthwhile to be argued in a court of law. It would be dismissed immediately.

[k1ngl1ves]

Also, a contract of adhesion is not illegal unless it contains unconscionable rules. It would then be deemed unfair. There is nothing in this users agreement that would justify your absurd perception of this contract between EA and it's product users.

[shepisavanguardgetoverit]

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

[Bloodshot One]

I guess it hurts if you accidentally get lumped together with the cheater when you didn't do anything wrong. Speaking of which, I sent an email right now. Does it need to be from the email account associated with my xbox live account? Thanks in advance.

[k1ngl1ves]

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

1. It hurts EA in that they want to make a profit from the RNG system.  We recieve free MP DLC as a way to keep players who spend real money... well... spending money!

2. It hurts legit players.  It takes away from the experience of the game, which is what people paid for. Legit players do not want 30,000,000 credits for 1 gold match.  They want the objectives to be challenging, not spoon fed: They can choose what level they want to play to dictate difficulty. They don't want an insta-kill weapon for all enemies, with unlimited ammo.  Have you ever been in a match with a Missile Glitcher? It's horribly boring.  There is no challenge.  It is not fun.  

Your question is self centered, with no thought at all to what others view as enjoyment.  You obviously don't understand the definition of what is a co-op (TEAM) game.  

[Siran]

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

Try playing a game with a missile glitcher in it. Reeeeal fun.

And you know what - I earned my manifest by playing the game. I don't want some 1337 h4ck0r kid who thinks he can cheat his way through the game to get for free, what myself and others have to work for.

Modifié par Siran, 22 août 2012 - 07:28 .

[Argors]

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

 
This is the attitude of a Bernie Madoff.

[shepisavanguardgetoverit]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

1. It hurts EA in that they want to make a profit from the RNG system.  We recieve free MP DLC as a way to keep players who spend real money... well... spending money!

2. It hurts legit players.  It takes away from the experience of the game, which is what people paid for. Legit players do not want 30,000,000 credits for 1 gold match.  They want the objectives to be challenging, not spoon fed: They can choose what level they want to play to dictate difficulty. They don't want an insta-kill weapon for all enemies, with unlimited ammo.  Have you ever been in a match with a Missile Glitcher? It's horribly boring.  There is no challenge.  It is not fun. 

Your question is self centered, with no thought at all to what others view as enjoyment.  You obviously don't understand the definition of what is a co-op (TEAM[/b][b]) game.  {smilie}

Wow personal atack for voicing my opinion.....Never seen that before..... *yawn*

However I do agree with your second point.  It is not fun to be in a game where someone is getting all the kills and having the most fun by hacking/exploiting the game for their own ends. It does kill the experience.   I also have a full understanding of what a co-op experience is about, and frankly I just don't think that ME3 provides it.  This is not an attack just stating my opinion.  

Siran wrote...

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

Try playing a game with a missile glitcher in it. Reeeeal fun.

And you know what - I earned my manifest by playing the game. I don't want some 1337 h4ck0r kid who thinks he can cheat his way through the game to get for free, what myself and others have to work for.

Fair enough and I do agree with what your saying, but if your in a match with said missile glitcher ever thought of just......leaving the match.   <_<

Argors wrote...

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Got
a serious question.....How does cheating hurt anyone else? Its a co-op
game, not a competitive one. If this were CoD, then fair enough, but if
player 1 uses a cheat to increase his/her playing ability, how does it
hurt player 2,3 and 4?

Answer, it doesn't.

 
This is the attitude of a Bernie Madoff.

Who dafuq is that? Sounds like the spawn of satan and barry manilow.......Eurgh:D

Modifié par shepisavanguardgetoverit, 22 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[Siran]

shepisavanguardgetoverit wrote...

Fair enough and I do agree with what your saying, but if your in a match with said missile glitcher ever thought of just......leaving the match.   <_<

He'd still hurt my experience - I'd have to leave a match I might have searched for a long time and I'd have to look for another. And what's worse, I'd loose all my consumables - since those glitchers are most likely to be found on Platinum it's very likely you invested your best consumables for that match.

In any case I'd be negatively affected, thx to some idiot who can't play straight.

[Argors]

You don't know who Madoff is ? Sorry my bad you must be American. ( google it, it's like magic )

Modifié par Argors, 22 août 2012 - 01:19 .

[Argors]

Argors wrote...

You don't know who Madoff is ? Sorry my bad you must be American. ( google it, it's like magic )

See that is how sarcasm works in text, what you did was make yourself look dumb. class dismissed 

[Stinger14s]

And.... it takes for ever to load a match. It would take less time to finish the match up rather than wait for all of the 'checks' to through and the screens to load - before another game is played.

[Stinger14s]

Argors wrote...

You don't know who Madoff is ? Sorry my bad you must be American. ( google it, it's like magic )

and you must be a douche bag...  *oh, sorry*     ...that's my favorite  'American' phrase.

Modifié par Stinger14s, 22 août 2012 - 05:10 .

[Mgamerz]

How does robbing someone else's bank affect me?

[k1ngl1ves]

Do you want to start paying for dlc...?

[ManBearPigIets]

Spending a lot of credits at one time won’t lead to a ban, but spending
undeserved credits to buy reinforcement packs may increase your N7
rating...

I think someone needs a refresher on how the N7 leveling system works...I've spent millions of credits, not a single pack raised my N7 rating magically. The N7 only goes up if you promote or get enough experience to level up a non-maxed character.

[Jeff Dundat]

ManBearPigIets wrote...

Spending a lot of credits at one time won’t lead to a ban, but spending
undeserved credits to buy reinforcement packs may increase your N7
rating...

I think someone needs a refresher on how the N7 leveling system works...I've spent millions of credits, not a single pack raised my N7 rating magically. The N7 only goes up if you promote or get enough experience to level up a non-maxed character.

You need a refresher my friend. 250,000 xp character cards, when you have nearly endless credits, will boost your N7 up fairly fast. I didn't care about those that much when I was a "cheater".

Edit for somewhat related link: http://social.biowar.../index/13726103

Modifié par Jeff Dundat, 22 août 2012 - 10:18 .

[k1ngl1ves]

Unfortunately, it would be faster to spam recruit packs. CC's give 60[something),000 in xp. 4 recruit packs is over 250,000 and would only be 20,000 credits. Mass promoting. Easy way to complete this weeks challenge.

[Jeff Dundat]

But if your credits are nearly endless, which would be faster?

Lol.

Modifié par Jeff Dundat, 22 août 2012 - 10:23 .