Yeah, they made one small mistake but they made up for it. I wish people would get over the fact they aren't making another EC. I was satisfied with the EC and many more people were. People, stop demanding another EC. It's not gonna happen. I have just started playing DA for the first time and I love it and I'm going to preorder DA 3 when I can.
Can Bioware be excused?
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#27
Posté 09 août 2012 - 02:56
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I agree with the article to an extent. Perhaps it's a tad premature to write Bioware off, given their track record. But no longer will I preorder any game of theirs or trust glowing reviews from gamesites so readily.
I sincerely hope they learn from this debacle. And it would be sad to see them go.
I sincerely hope they learn from this debacle. And it would be sad to see them go.
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#28
Posté 09 août 2012 - 04:16
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Nothing to excuse them for. All devs have the good and the bad, nobody is perfect. Despite the constant bashing I see around here I do see some positives among the negatives which is a good sign that all is not lost. I still hold Bioware in high regard, couldn't care less that they are working under EA either(EA has made some decent/good games in the past)
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 04:24
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Looking at wikipedia, my favorites list with that publisher is pretty long. Burnout 3, Rock Band, Fight Night Champion, Populous, Skate, American McGee's Alice, Brütal Legend, Mass Effect 2, and Mirror's Edge.EA has made some decent/good games in the past
Both sides are still going to have to up the ante in terms of game quality regardless. I'm not expecting Valve/Blizzard styled development times, but I'd avoid rushing out titles if I were them.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 04:32
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@MassEffectGirl19: So blatant PR lies are what you define as 'a small mistake'...Umm...Ok. Also, play through DA 2 first before getting your hopes up. Unless you're a drone, that is.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 04:53
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Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
@MassEffectGirl19: So blatant PR lies are what you define as 'a small mistake'...Umm...Ok. Also, play through DA 2 first before getting your hopes up. Unless you're a drone, that is.
She may have a different view of it that you and I. I disliked them as I've said, but I know other friends did enjoy it, which is fine by me. Calling one of them a **** if she doesn't agree and being rude to her is not a good idea.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:00
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Nope.
Forgiven for selling out to EA knowing what it would bring?
For cutting corners, time, and effort on their games?
For insulting fans who dare to question them?
For LYING to fans again and again just to get some more sales?
For using that BS ARTISTIC INTEGRITY claim?
For having writing that is so ****** poor its become the laughing stock of the RPG world?
For watering down anything deep in favor of hack-slash. turd person shooting and MP?
No.
That is why I dont have any Bioware games installed on my computer anymore, and dont plan on getting their DLC or games.
Forgiven for selling out to EA knowing what it would bring?
For cutting corners, time, and effort on their games?
For insulting fans who dare to question them?
For LYING to fans again and again just to get some more sales?
For using that BS ARTISTIC INTEGRITY claim?
For having writing that is so ****** poor its become the laughing stock of the RPG world?
For watering down anything deep in favor of hack-slash. turd person shooting and MP?
No.
That is why I dont have any Bioware games installed on my computer anymore, and dont plan on getting their DLC or games.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:01
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They made up for it and they aren't doing anymore ECs, deal with itIvandra Ceruden wrote...
@MassEffectGirl19: So blatant PR lies are what you define as 'a small mistake'...Umm...Ok. Also, play through DA 2 first before getting your hopes up. Unless you're a drone, that is.
DA 2 is a great game, seen gameplay and it's looks awesome. So please keep your comments to yourself.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:03
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Giggles_Manically wrote...
Nope.
Forgiven for selling out to EA knowing what it would bring?
For cutting corners, time, and effort on their games?
For insulting fans who dare to question them?
For LYING to fans again and again just to get some more sales?
For using that BS ARTISTIC INTEGRITY claim?
For having writing that is so ****** poor its become the laughing stock of the RPG world?
For watering down anything deep in favor of hack-slash. turd person shooting and MP?
No.
That is why I dont have any Bioware games installed on my computer anymore, and dont plan on getting their DLC or games.
And to think you didn't agree with me when I told you all this before ME3 and SWTOR
I don't really care about excusing them or not anymore, they are as good as nonexistant to me. All I ask is that they don't screw up the one thing I still care about in DA (Morrigan), and if they are planning to screw her up, that they do so as quickly as possible and be done with it so I can move on entirely.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:07
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Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
@MassEffectGirl19: So blatant PR lies are what you define as 'a small mistake'...Umm...Ok. Also, play through DA 2 first before getting your hopes up. Unless you're a drone, that is.
Oh look, it's BSN's own Mistress of Misery, Boredom and Frustration. Charming as always...
DA2 is a nice game, it lacks replay value, but it's still a pretty great.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:10
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Can Bioware be excused? Not really.
Once was enough, twice was too much, thrice in a row is ridiculous.
Once was enough, twice was too much, thrice in a row is ridiculous.
#37
Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:11
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BioWare has a shot if they can make like Bungie and get away from their evil overlords. Bungie left Microsoft, and became better for it, even though they had to make sacrifices. BioWare should do the same thing, and become totally independent again. Everyone knows that they can make enough money to keep going. They don't NEED EA. They just need to get away from them.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:16
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Oooooh!Melrache wrote...
Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
@MassEffectGirl19: So blatant PR lies are what you define as 'a small mistake'...Umm...Ok. Also, play through DA 2 first before getting your hopes up. Unless you're a drone, that is.
Oh look, it's BSN own Mistress of Misery, boredom and frustration. Charming as always...
DA2 is a nice game, it lacks replay value, but it's still a pretty great.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:18
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I didn't much care for DA2, but then I didn't care for ME1&2 either. It's personal preference at the end of the day and the company can't actually cater to everyone's taste despite people feeling that it's their right as paying customers to get exactly what it is they want all of the time. I loved Origins and I really enjoyed ME3; many didn't - and that's O.K. I simply don't care about it enough to want all their heads on poles. Like, seriously, whatever. If I don't like the game when I demo it, I won't buy it and I'll buy a different game that I do like. I certainly won't stick to one games development company just because I liked a game they did years ago, either.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:24
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I'll give their next game a chance, as long as Casey Hudson didn't write any of it.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:44
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I've never been 100% in agreement with how Bioware does things but I have enjoyed their games pre-DA2/Arrival.
Thankfully I have alternatives in Bethesda, CDPR, and Larian (Divinity), plus my library of Bioware and non-Bioware favorites.
Thankfully I have alternatives in Bethesda, CDPR, and Larian (Divinity), plus my library of Bioware and non-Bioware favorites.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 05:45
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Don't care for TOR or Star Wars in general so I don't really count that as a failure for me. I haven't even played it anyway. However if DA3 were to flop like we've seen before I'm done with all things Bioware. Hanging here will be useless because I no longer care about most of the subjects and better forums exist for those. Three strikes in essence but also because all IPs I care about will be soiled.
As for excused? No because they need to own up and make up for their mistakes. However we can move on from this if Bioware proves it can get its act together by making DA3 a great game. That's more of the question to me if that will happen. I'm incredibly disappointed with ME3 and I was little upset at first, but in the end there's no reason to hold hard feelings. If Bioware scares everyone away eventually then it dies and those consequences are all that matters.
The main issue here is their stories for me. I've had no problem with toning down excessive number-crunching and slow, clunky mechanics. I'm no stickler for stats that are easier on the eyes. As long as they can retain most complexity and rewarding character progression, which DA2 largely failed at with a few exceptions I'm fine. However the writing quality has plummeted greatly. The DA team I'll give the benefit of the doubt becuase of the horribly rushed development and the fact that the characters were still mostly enjoyable for me. They've also admitted to many of the gamplay flaws in DA2 and all that leaves me with some optimism.
Jumping to conclusions isn't going to serve any purpose, at any rate. And keep in mind what they say isn't always what they think. They need to sound confident and sure of their decisions especially in games they are still making content for. Doing otherwise is bad for business.
As for excused? No because they need to own up and make up for their mistakes. However we can move on from this if Bioware proves it can get its act together by making DA3 a great game. That's more of the question to me if that will happen. I'm incredibly disappointed with ME3 and I was little upset at first, but in the end there's no reason to hold hard feelings. If Bioware scares everyone away eventually then it dies and those consequences are all that matters.
The main issue here is their stories for me. I've had no problem with toning down excessive number-crunching and slow, clunky mechanics. I'm no stickler for stats that are easier on the eyes. As long as they can retain most complexity and rewarding character progression, which DA2 largely failed at with a few exceptions I'm fine. However the writing quality has plummeted greatly. The DA team I'll give the benefit of the doubt becuase of the horribly rushed development and the fact that the characters were still mostly enjoyable for me. They've also admitted to many of the gamplay flaws in DA2 and all that leaves me with some optimism.
Jumping to conclusions isn't going to serve any purpose, at any rate. And keep in mind what they say isn't always what they think. They need to sound confident and sure of their decisions especially in games they are still making content for. Doing otherwise is bad for business.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 06:22
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Nothing to excuse them for. If they make a game you like the look of then buy it, if they make one you do not think will interest you then don't. Too many drama queens on the internet. If their products do not appeal to you then buy a different one. I think some of people on here spend way too much time waving placards saying the end is nigh when they are present here on these forums and probably when not on here too.
Probably the most intelligent response i've seen on this thread.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 06:22
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Sure they can be excused . But it`s also mean that I simply will be much more cautious before buying something from them. Although I bough everything from them LOL.
Like someone said. I don`t hold a grudge. I think what hurt and help BioWare is that they have a very strong ,and vocal hardcore fan base and the drama was out of proportion because of this.
For a long time many ppl have seen BioWare has a ''niche'' role playng gam studio. They tried too hard to become mainstream and that upsetted the majority of their core fanbase.
Like someone said. I don`t hold a grudge. I think what hurt and help BioWare is that they have a very strong ,and vocal hardcore fan base and the drama was out of proportion because of this.
For a long time many ppl have seen BioWare has a ''niche'' role playng gam studio. They tried too hard to become mainstream and that upsetted the majority of their core fanbase.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 06:32
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The question is never whether o excuse them; perhaps I should ask: does it matter?
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 06:40
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No, if we just forgive them everytime they mess up then they'll never learn and make more games like ME3/DA2.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 06:56
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I'll just take their games on a game by game basis. With DA2 they dried up any lingering goodwill they'd built up with me from games like BG2, KotOR or DA:O. As far as I'm concerned that BioWare has ceased to exist. So no preorders no matter how good some new game might look, cause I just don't trust them to put together a satisfying final product. That was reinforced by how awful ME3's ending was.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 07:42
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Some people take things way too seriously.
If you don't like their products, don't buy them, it's as simple as that. No need to "forgive" or "excuse" or any of that overdramatic crap. Just move on to someone who makes games that appeal to you.
If you don't like their products, don't buy them, it's as simple as that. No need to "forgive" or "excuse" or any of that overdramatic crap. Just move on to someone who makes games that appeal to you.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 07:52
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Zjarcal wrote...
Some people take things way too seriously.
If you don't like their products, don't buy them, it's as simple as that. No need to "forgive" or "excuse" or any of that overdramatic crap. Just move on to someone who makes games that appeal to you.
Until Hasbro gets a major developer to create a Friendship is Magic RPG in the same vein as a DAO or Skyrim, I will continue to mention how sad I am about Bioware's fall from RPG grace.
Hell, Bioware should make that RPG.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 07:58
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LPPrince wrote...
Until Hasbro gets a major developer to create a Friendship is Magic RPG in the same vein as a DAO or Skyrim, I will continue to mention how sad I am about Bioware's fall from RPG grace.
Hell, Bioware should make that RPG.
Hah
Something like the superstar saga games are a better thing to strive for in a MLP RPG... which would probably never be officially made but even the South Park RPG is going for that "Paper Mario" style gameplay.
