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[Loaderini]

how will i know if they're using cheats? they are strangers from the internet.

Modifié par Loaderini, 13 août 2012 - 05:09 .

[Loaderini]

-accidental double post-

Modifié par Loaderini, 13 août 2012 - 05:09 .

[MageTarot]

Loaderini wrote...

how will i know if they're using cheats? they are strangers from the internet.

...and that is precisely why I have stayed away from MP since the EC came out. I am in no way, shape or form an expert on MP so I would have no earthly clue if an expoit was being used. The only thing I can suggest is to play with people you know but that doesn't always work either.
It's sad but it appears that the risks of playing MP have outweighed the rewards.

Modifié par MageTarot, 14 août 2012 - 10:43 .

[Outamyhead]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

If she had been banned due to associating with an exploiter/cheater, then this is frankly her fault to a good portion. Exploits/Cheats are easy to recognize and BioWare (I am just going to believe what they say for now as I don't have firsthand experience) doesn't ban you for playing with a cheater one or two times.

But when you play with a cheater and then stay in the same group, playing with them again and repeated association will lead to punishments too. And that is something I can approve of, because if you stick to playing with those exploiters/cheaters, then you are benefitting from their acts too.


Bronze:
~150k-280k XP & 15k Credits

Silver:
~300k-400k XP & 33k Credits

Gold:
~ 350k-500k XP & 75k Credits

Platinum:
~350k-500k XP & 137,5k Credits

Those are the regular rewards for playing the respective difficulties. If you get more than that after a single match, someone modified his game files and cheated. And ingame exploits are fairly easy to spot too. Being blind is not an carte blanche for protection.

This is why I ditch lobbies where the game looked a little off, like some guys gun is firing even though he isn't, or I get hit with a lag problem so severe I float off the map.

Thanks for the info on the max credits for each level, I shall have to keep an eye out for anyone earning more than that, would that be the reason some people bail on the round results listing?

[SeanBahamut]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

If she had been banned due to associating with an exploiter/cheater, then this is frankly her fault to a good portion. Exploits/Cheats are easy to recognize and BioWare (I am just going to believe what they say for now as I don't have firsthand experience) doesn't ban you for playing with a cheater one or two times.

But when you play with a cheater and then stay in the same group, playing with them again and repeated association will lead to punishments too. And that is something I can approve of, because if you stick to playing with those exploiters/cheaters, then you are benefitting from their acts too.
Being blind is not an carte blanche for protection.

Unjust banning is terrible. Not telling someone why he has been banned is illegitamite nonsense. Banning for repeated association with cheaters however is understandable.

No hard feelings, but that's how it is. I feel for your sister, being banned from MP sucks, but as long as rules are enforced correctly, there is nothing wrong with it.

I cant see how guilty by association is EVER a good thing. Some people may be new to MP, dont read the forums, or dont notice small tweaks to the game that the host might make. Staying in a group where there is a cheat should never affect anyone except the cheater.

I dont like to make comparisons between games, but would an entire team on TF2 get VAC banned because an aimbotter is on their side and they dont leave/join spectate? Never... Never!

Loaderini wrote...

 wait a moment. there's a very good possibility that i will be banned for cheating without using any cheat?
ok i'm seriously afraid to touch the ME3 multiplayer again now.

Apparantly so, and others here advocate that

Modifié par SeanBahamut, 13 août 2012 - 11:00 .

[BongMong]

This whole thing is a pretty poor show from BW/EA. If they only let people set up their own ban lists on their own servers instead of deciding that BW should be choosing who plays on my server. Then we could ban any cheaters we want, from our own servers. We would also be free to use any mods we want (though modded servers would not earn credits of course). Neverwinter Nights was a triumph. Bioware, what have you sunk to.

I mean I'm not asking for the moon on a stick here. Bioware, I don't tell you how to run your servers (with your dodgy ME2 sign in bug and your BDtS download failure and your unlinked games frozen in the old BW web site... I certainly never advised that lot). I'm only asking that Bioware keep their noses out of mine.

Can't say fairer than that I would think. Seems Bioware think I'm asking a bit to much of their charity.

Will someone PLEASE work out how to use a 3rd party server browser with ME3 so we can ditch this BW albatross quick.

Modifié par BongMong, 13 août 2012 - 11:30 .

[Donuttt]

SeanBahamut wrote...

It would be nice to see a thread where someone has actually had a successful ban appeal, just to make sure they do exist!

They do exist as my ban appeal was successful.
http://social.biowar...2932/4#13246951

Modifié par Donuttt, 14 août 2012 - 12:02 .

[Geowil]

All I have to add is that if you are being accused of cheating they should at least have the testicular fortitude to tell you why instead of giving ball-less responses like "we cannot disclose blah blah blah blah blah, now screw off".

If this was a F2P mmo I could see this being acceptable because you can just make a new account. Here you bought a game and now you can no longer play that game at all, even the SP, because your online pass was suspended. This means any dlc you bought, gone, in addition to the 60+ you paid for the original game.

They are essentially telling you "we have your money, we stole your game, we do not care, end contact...". I seriously think the community needs to get together and try to get some legal counsel on this. There is no way this should fly no matter what twisted crap EA puts in the EULA, they cannot deprive you of something that you paid money to own through extortive tactics. They can kick you out of the MP but they cannot end your access to the SP part of the game nor the DLC you have bought.

If you followed the GeoHot issue with Sony, the judge agreed that there was merit in that Sony was wrong to force you to either keep a feature (Other OS) that you were promised to have with the system but lose your ability to play online and even play games where updates are required to play them but that you had to be able to access the PSN to update, hence those games you paid for were not playable. Or that you could update and lose that feature. It got swept under the rug when they settled but it is a similar issue here.

On a less serious note I once found myself in a hacked game. It was a bronze game and at the end of it I got 200k credits. Did not stick around though. Rather the host left before I could click on leave.

Donuttt wrote...

SeanBahamut wrote...

It
would be nice to see a thread where someone has actually had a
successful ban appeal, just to make sure they do exist!

They do exist as my ban appeal was successful.
http://social.biowar...2932/4#13246951

They should have compensated you for wrongully accusing you.

Modifié par Geowil, 14 août 2012 - 09:22 .

[steej]

@Geowil,


Your are spot on with everything you said.
We know this community is strong and can achive it's goal's, but we are clearly devided on this issue, The Banned and Not Banned.

As for Donutt's happy ending, Be nice if they gave him a bonus pack or something, but i guess you can't have everything.
I'd be happy enough just to play again to be honest.

Modifié par steej, 14 août 2012 - 02:20 .

[Shadow Storm]

This raises many questions but most prominent is did you hack or mod? If you were then you already have your answer. However if you were exploiting a glitch of some sort then that is their fault not the players accused of it. They have been repeatedly warned of glitches and their is alot of people around on forum and youtube informing them of such glitches in which they have not removed. By definition it is not a cheat if it is something that they themselves have added in which all players of the community benefit from in the game and thus can be contested especially if you have stacked money on that account. If you did not hack or mod then you are well within your rights to seek compensation for falsly being singled out for exploitation when no exploitation has accured. If it were me in your shoes i would do just that and i would take my money to their competitors they do not deserve such devotion.

Modifié par Raiden Storm, 14 août 2012 - 10:36 .

[megamacka]

Can someone explain to me what exactly counts as exploit/cheating? I am not really a big ME3 MP player, I bought the game for the SP and there are a lot better games if I want to play MP. But it seems to be a god damned bugfest to me too. I either drop outside of the map or into the air / become immune but can't damage anything / or use abilities / revive.

It seems like 6/10 matches ends up with some kind of bug. Does it count as exploit / cheat somehow? It's not like it's my fault that the game is buggy as hell.

[Fredvdp]

megamacka wrote...

Can someone explain to me what exactly counts as exploit/cheating? I am not really a big ME3 MP player, I bought the game for the SP and there are a lot better games if I want to play MP. But it seems to be a god damned bugfest to me too. I either drop outside of the map or into the air / become immune but can't damage anything / or use abilities / revive.

It seems like 6/10 matches ends up with some kind of bug. Does it count as exploit / cheat somehow? It's not like it's my fault that the game is buggy as hell.

It was mentioned on the MP forums that flying around the map is not cosnidered an exploit. If you want to avoid the vanguard glitch, host the game yourself. The host is immune.

[megamacka]

Fredvdp wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Can someone explain to me what exactly counts as exploit/cheating? I am not really a big ME3 MP player, I bought the game for the SP and there are a lot better games if I want to play MP. But it seems to be a god damned bugfest to me too. I either drop outside of the map or into the air / become immune but can't damage anything / or use abilities / revive.

It seems like 6/10 matches ends up with some kind of bug. Does it count as exploit / cheat somehow? It's not like it's my fault that the game is buggy as hell.

It was mentioned on the MP forums that flying around the map is not cosnidered an exploit. If you want to avoid the vanguard glitch, host the game yourself. The host is immune.

I play engineer/ infiltrator tho. Pretty much, take cover / damage the wrong enemy = bug

[Shadow Storm]

A glitch does not count as exploitation as it is often unavoidable and is the fault of bad programming nothing more. The only person deserving of a slap on the wrist is the programmers themselves. As far as glitches go if they refuse to remove them after repeatedly being warned then it is it is their fault what comes of it. In some of the banned cases by the sound of it though they were modding...no matter how much they want to sugar coat it this is in fact a hack wether they do it themselves or someone else does it for them they are still at fault.

[Manimal]

Any word?

[steej]

No word yet.
How about you?

I've PMed and now emailed dirrectly Thomas Abrams but had nothing back jsut yet.

[Haldameer]

So seriously as a new/nonregular multiplayer player... how are you meant to know if someone in your team is cheating or hacking the gqame in some way to give you a bonus? The scoring system at the end of the game is so vague how ould you possibly tell?

If they are serious about banning people for this, they had better be prepared to refund people to.

[steej]

Haldameer wrote...

So seriously as a new/nonregular multiplayer player... how are you meant to know if someone in your team is cheating or hacking the gqame in some way to give you a bonus? The scoring system at the end of the game is so vague how ould you possibly tell?

If they are serious about banning people for this, they had better be prepared to refund people to.

This^
If you wont answer me, then answer this question, BioWare.

[ExpiredLifetime]

You'll know. The games where someone is cheating are night and day different from a normal match. For example, missile glitchers will kill everything at once before you can even shoot at it.

[steej]

I have found out that the EU court has ruled the we own digital products once we have paid for them, rather than paying for a service, we actually own the licence (so we could go ahead and sell them if we wanted to!).

Anyway, what this means is that BioWare have in effect stolen our online pass, the ones we paid for.

Check out PCGamer, Issue 243, page 8.
and here;
http://www.gameinfor...spx?PageIndex=2

Now by my reconing, BioWare, you are in breach of European Laws.
Why?
The product that i own, the one i bought from you, is incomplete.
You might be based in Canada or the US, but you trade in the EU.


My "registered game content " clearly states that I have one "Online Pass (N7 Collector's Edition)" registered to my account.

Please give it back.

Modifié par steej, 19 août 2012 - 10:34 .

[M920CAIN]

Bulldoghk wrote...

Just out of curiosity what are in game exploits? I don't play very often so am wondering. Are you talking about classes that can attack through walls or is it something different?

Credit hacking, weapon damage with one hit kill, god mode, aimbot, etc...

[steej]

i didnt do any of that stuff. it'd be helpfull if theyd explain what they think i did wrong

[Fredvdp]

You can get banned from repeatedly playing with other players who use exploits. That's why I never play more than two games with the same random people.

[steej]

Fredvdp wrote...

You can get banned from repeatedly playing with other players who use exploits. That's why I never play more than two games with the same random people.

Thats nuts.

I like to stay with people whos ame plan i understand.
It takes a while to build a relationship.

You know, maybe they should look at implimenting punk buster or something like that.  this baning method is terrible.