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[ElementL09]

Its hard to say after seeing/speaking with the catalyst. I was interested in the Reapers mainly from Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 3 comes along with the Catalyst at the end and it just....yuck.

As interested as I am in the Reapers origins, I'm really curious as to how this all adds up toward the ending. Leviathan can provide a sensible point of view for the Reapers intentions, cause as of now, the Catalyst logic is pure BS from the start.

[Armass81]

Lot of people wanted to know their origins, then when they got it they started to complain cause it wasnt up to their expectations.

Modifié par Armass81, 09 août 2012 - 10:32 .

[NM_Che56]

I do. The reapers are not ethereal cosmic monsters. They're machines, so someone had to make them...

[JBONE29]

Yes and no. Yes, I would like to know more about the reapers' origins and motives, but not in ME3. The Mass Effect trilogy is about the most massive war in the history of this cycle. It is about races banding together to fight forces of pure destruction. That is where the focus should have been; gathering allies, building strategies, inventing WMDs, and destroying reapers.

I would love to see a second trilogy that takes place 100 or 1000 years later in which you discover the origins and motives of the ancient reapers. That should be the focus of an entire game, if not a trilogy, but it should not be the focus of the current ME trilogy. It's a war in which we cannot make peace with the enemy through knowledge of them.

Now, I don't want anyone thinking I'm a crazy chickenhawk or something. I fully believe that understanding is the first step on the road to peace, and we must take that first step. But, Mass Effect is not the real world. The reapers are not whatever human enemy we're fighting this week. The reapers have only the goal of wiping out technologically advanced life. There is no negotiating with them.

[Andy the Black]

GeoFukari wrote...

Truthfully, I don't know what to feel.

When ME1 came out, I felt a sort of Lovecraftian horror feel from the reapers. That is until Sovvie was killed. And even then, I believed that Sovvie may not be dead and may still come back.

In ME2, I spent the game wondering what the Reapers were like. When I found out how they were made, I was... horrified. Let me put it this way, they scared me more now than they did in ME1. And even though people say the Larva was a weak plot point, I would disagree. I liked it.

In these two games, the Reapers were built up to be terrifying. Their motives in ME1 were unclear. In ME2, the motives seemed to, in part, be reproduction. And truthfully, I can live with ME2's partial motive.

But with the explanation in ME3... I don't know. We do not have the luxury any longer to say: I wonder what their motivations were. We know. And now that we know, we need more information. Because we are humans. And thats what we do. Ask questions.

Thats how I felt coming out of Mass 1 and going into Mass 2. My reaction to what the Reapers did to organics was also one of horror, but I thought their apparent motivation of reproduction was... well... lame. I mean it had crossed my mind in speculations but always hoped that Bio would go for somthing a bit less predictable. I guess this might be why I am one of the few (if not the only one) who is relatively OK with the Catalyst's reasons.

[Alanosborn1991]

I just wanna kill all of them!

Discovering the purpose of your enemy only leads to nightmares and PSTD. Shepard needs to be explored more and given more chances to shine instead of being everyone's puppet.

[Armass81]

Master Che wrote...

I do. The reapers are not ethereal cosmic monsters. They're machines, so someone had to make them...

QFT. I never saw the reapers as lovecraftian horrors either, they are ultimately machines and machines are always made by someone and given purpose. Turns out I was right.

[Nightwriter]

How am I supposed to care.



The Leviathan DLC is about four pyramid sections above where I'm at right now.

[elitecom]

Before I was torn between wanting to know their motives and not. Not knowing their motives had its own appeal. The Reapers seem more fear inducing, more incomprehensible when they are unknown. At the same time knowing their motives and origin would satisfy my curiousity which was another powerful driving force.

However after playing Mass Effect 3, I really don't care anymore.

Armass81 wrote...

Lot of people wanted to know their origins, then when they got it they started to complain cause it wasnt up to their expectations.

Yes because the explanation had no continuity with what was previously established in ME1 & ME2. The Reapers don't choose one species to ascend into Reaper form anymore, every species in the galaxy is preserved, even synthetic life, and they also suddenly started to care about organic life.

If the explanation of the Reapers' origins and motives had at least some continuity to the other games of the franchise, then perhaps it would've been better received. But when Bioware has done what it has done then I certainly understand and agree with the reception of the explanations.

Modifié par elitecom, 09 août 2012 - 10:52 .

[NM_Che56]

Armass81 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I do. The reapers are not ethereal cosmic monsters. They're machines, so someone had to make them...

QFT. I never saw the reapers as lovecraftian horrors either, they are ultimately machines and machines are always made by someone and given purpose. Turns out I was right.

As such the DO have a beginning despite sovereign's "I'm kind of a big deal" speach.

[shreddy91]

I do.

From ME1 I was wondering "What was the species of the first cycle like?" Of course now that we learned that the "Catalyst" created the Reapers, I want to know what happened there. Other questions include: how many cycles ago was the Crucible first concieved? Where did the Keepers come from? etc.

[Volc19]

Honestly, if they feel like going through with explaining the Reapers, as opposed to leaving them as unknowable Lovecrafian horrors, then they may aswell explain them right. What we currently have with the catalyst is a half hearted attempt, and it needs more around it to be a viable backstory.

Now, if they just kept the Reapers a mystery, I would be against a DLC like Leviathan that ends up explaining the Reapers.

[chemiclord]

Nightwriter wrote...

How am I supposed to care.



The Leviathan DLC is about four pyramid sections above where I'm at right now.

I'm kinda curious how many games would actually fulfill those standards if you were to honestly apply them to others.

[Baa Baa]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I do. You don't want to know what motivates your greatest enemy?

Nope. I'm with Vigil on that one.

[Nightwriter]

chemiclord wrote...

I'm kinda curious how many games would actually fulfill those standards if you were to honestly apply them to others.

Tough to say. BioWare games are relatively unique. I don't think I could fairly apply the same judgment system to all other games.

Context, context, context.

[Seifer006]

I care about the Origin Story of the Reapers. It's what I was expecting to find out in ME3.

guess you were playing a different trilogy

[The Heretic of Time]

chemiclord wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How am I supposed to care.



The Leviathan DLC is about four pyramid sections above where I'm at right now.

I'm kinda curious how many games would actually fulfill those standards if you were to honestly apply them to others.

The Witcher 2 fulfills all of them.

[Iakus]

"In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on stopping the Reapers, not in understanding them"

Edit: Also, Nightwriter's pyramid.  So true.  Hard to care about stuff when you're dead

Modifié par iakus, 09 août 2012 - 11:20 .

[Master Xanthan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Who here actually cares about the origin story of the Reapers? 

It seems to be BioWare's top priority, while I personally wish they could just admit that they dun goofed and simply be done with it and move on to character DLCs or something. 

Edit: Yes, I know I'm nagging a little, but the articles keeps showing up.

I do.

[Asch Lavigne]

I'd much, much rather have something plot relevant than Take Back Omega or an ME2 squadmate filler DLC.

I was so against Leviathan when there were rumors that the DLC was about a rogue Reaper. Now that its not about that but about Reaper origins I am looking forward to this DLC.

[fchopin]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Who here actually cares about the origin story of the Reapers? 

I care.

[xsdob]

I do, and just becasue you'd rather they leave it alone doesn't mean others feel the same way. Just like how just because I want this dlc doesn't mean I should expect everyone else to want it to.