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[Zjarcal]

Okay, time to be honest...

I am a pony.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Well I certainly do. Its a personal thing but I don't find enemies being evil just for the sake of it very interesting. I like to know what makes my enemies tick, makes them what they are. I look for this not just in ME but in every game I play, and I'd have been pretty disappointed had I ended the trilogy without knowing anything about them. The explanation we got wasn't very good but not knowing anything about them would have been as disappointing. In ME1 we saw they were machines, so someone had to have made them. So yes, I'm looking forward to this DLC.

[Mars Nova]

Trying to explain the origins of the Reapers was a HUGE mistake.  No, I don't want more expostion on the Reapers, I want my choices to matter, like Bioware promised they would.

[Nightwriter]

pirate1802 wrote...

Well I certainly do. Its a personal thing but I don't find enemies being evil just for the sake of it very interesting. I like to know what makes my enemies tick, makes them what they are. I look for this not just in ME but in every game I play, and I'd have been pretty disappointed had I ended the trilogy without knowing anything about them. The explanation we got wasn't very good but not knowing anything about them would have been as disappointing. In ME1 we saw they were machines, so someone had to have made them. So yes, I'm looking forward to this DLC.

This is how I feel most of the time, but in light of the endings I think I would've preferred that the Reapers stay a mystery.

It would've been like leaving the darkspawn a mystery, in a way. Fuel for future installments.

[EnvyTB075]

RE: Article in OP

They can already kill reapers, just that the writers don't seem to want to give them all the weapons they logically should have that can do so for some contrived attempt at making the Reapers seem "all powerful".

*coughthanixcannonscough*

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 10 août 2012 - 04:46 .

[Slayer299]

I didn't then and don't now need to know the Reaper origins, to be honest I think that by Bioware telling us how/why the Reapers came about actually weakens them, makes them more of a known and lesser thing to be faced.

It seems to me that with the Leviathan and the Reapers origin, BW seems to have traveled down the path of "leave no secret untouched" and "all things must be known".

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Since I'll still be killing the star brat and his pet abominations regardless of what we learn of their origins I find myself not caring much one way or another.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

I don't think that Bioware should have revealed their origin story or even written one. Their incomprehensible origin and agenda were part of their appeal.

Stephen King>Casey Hudson

Dont you mean Stephen King > Mac Walters?

I mean that douche is the head writer, not that is matters when he writes with a chode in his mouth.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You're really asking if I care about their origins? For one point only -- so we in the ME universe don't make the same mistake. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

However it is an exercise in futility since the Turian Councilor will simply dismiss our findings with the "Ah yes, their 'origins'. We've dismissed that myth."

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 10 août 2012 - 05:07 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You're really asking if I care about their origins? For one point only -- so we in the ME universe don't make the same mistake. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I'm fairly certain "Don't build giant death cuttlefish" is something that people can get without much effort.

[dorktainian]

well since they made starbrat a part of the ending, the reapers lost all their mystery.

i would now like to have the reapers revealed because bioware has gone part of the way. lets have all the information - possibly revealing conflicts within which make it more of a necessity to drop kick star brats ass into the beam. the reapers are saving us from ourselves remember?

maybe introduce the next story thread in the mass effect universe through DLC.

then at the end reveal we've all been had (well not all, but IT unbelievers) and IT is real - shep can truly win and finish his story with a satisfactory conclusion.

milking us for more money? SURELY NOT?

[Jadebaby]

Generic Screen Name wrote...

I don't.

[TODD9999]

I'm not particularly interested, no. Especially since they are no longer ineffable horrors from dark space, but just stupid machines.

[elitehunter34]

While an origin and motivation to the Reapers on paper sounds like a good idea in reality it isn't. Someone said something similar earlier, but basically sometimes there really is no good explanation for why someone (or in this case something) does something. There have been countless psychopaths throughout history that have done terrible things and we won't know why exactly they did what they did. Any answer they could give you would be nonsensical or too vague to give any real meaning.

That's why I didn't want an actual motivation to the Reapers. They are an ancient race of machines that have been exterminating advanced lifeforms periodically for roughly the past 1 billion years. What the hell possible motivation could they have other that they are insane and are doing it for the sake of doing it? I knew that any possible explanation of their motives just wouldn't make sense and/or would be contrived and this is exactly what we get in the post EC endings. They just aren't the kind of antagonist that needs an actual motivation. They aren't humans or a similar analogue. They are billion year old machine/organic hybrids of some kind. They are supposed to be on a higher plane of existence. They have existed longer than some stars have. Their perspective is so completely beyond anything we humans have. Their motivation really should have stayed as "...not a thing you can comprehend." It's not a cop-out if they don't have a motivation: it would be simply staying true to what the Reapers are supposed to be.

An actual origin however would be interesting. While it isn't necessary for me to enjoy the story for the Reapers to have an origin, I would be interested to see what Bioware could come up with. Right now the origin is a little to vague, maybe Leviathan can clear some things up.

I really don't know though, Bioware seems stuck on keeping the Catalyst and the contrived ending choices, which is exactly what I think is wrong with the endings. I don't know how "greater context" is going to actually fix those problems.


Also, about the picture Nightwriter posted, yeah my pyramid would basically be an upside down version of yours. There are plenty of narratives with great characters and settings, but few in my opinion with a consistent and logical plot with important details explained. Good characters and an interesting setting are what help me get into the story, but if it's done at the cost of a consistent and logical plot then I really don't see why I should care about that story anymore. It's why I'm so frustrated with the ME3 endings.

[SlottsMachine]

Sora Kitano wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

I don't think that Bioware should have revealed their origin story or even written one. Their incomprehensible origin and agenda were part of their appeal.

Stephen King>Casey Hudson

Dont you mean Stephen King > Mac Walters?

I mean that douche is the head writer, not that is matters when he writes with a chode in his mouth.

Well, in my mind Walters is just Hudson's toady so to speak.

[Inquisitor Recon]

A slightly less awful explanation of the reapers is certainly better than some LI reunion pack that some want. Of course one might think that learning a bit more about the reapers beyond what ghost-kid tells you should have been part of the main story.

[Morty Smith]

shepdog77 wrote...

Ignorance is bliss, I guess. For me, I prefer knowledge. Knowledge is power.

Because when you know, how you´re gonna be bend over the knee and you still can´t do **** about it, you got the power.

fight the good fight.

Modifié par Kroitz, 10 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[JeffZero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Who here actually cares about the origin story of the Reapers? 

It seems to be BioWare's top priority, while I personally wish they could just admit that they dun goofed and simply be done with it and move on to character DLCs or something. 

Edit: Yes, I know I'm nagging a little, but the articles keeps showing up.

I do somewhat, but not as much as I'd like to see other things.

[morrie23]

The more I find out about the Reapers/Catalyst, the more stupid they become, so I'm quite looking forward to learning more about the Reaper origins simply to complete their destruction as menacing and intimidating antagonists.

[LanceSolous13]

Jamie9 wrote...

I do. You don't want to know what motivates your greatest enemy?

No. They were lovecraftian. As in, We aren't going to find out, they aren't going to tell us; They're here to kill us. Period.

Also of note, Vigil: "In the end, what does it matter? You're salvation lies in stopping them, not in understanding them."

[iSousek]

Jamie9 wrote...

I do. You don't want to know what motivates your greatest enemy?

We already know that.

I am looking forward to learning the origins of the reapers, learning more about them. But on the otherside, I would also like to see non-reaper content/DLC. For example something that adds to your companions, DLC on different planets etc etc...

[Hendrik.III]

When you asked me half a year ago, I would have wanted to know anything about their history. Now I just really don't care much about it. I really don't like that they made them tools of the catalyst. I care no longer.

[Uncle Jo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The first Reaper was Harbinger.

Leviathan is the Catalyst's failed attempt at synthesis.

The codex states that Harbinger is believed to be the oldest reaper. There is no certitude about it. What if Leviathan was really the first reaper?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 10 août 2012 - 11:32 .

[Ieldra]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Who here actually cares about the origin story of the Reapers? 

It seems to be BioWare's top priority, while I personally wish they could just admit that they dun goofed and simply be done with it and move on to character DLCs or something. 

Edit: Yes, I know I'm nagging a little, but the articles keeps showing up.

I care. It's what I wanted to know right from the start of ME1, when I asked "What the hell is that thing? That isn't just a starship" after seeing Sovereign fly away from Eden Prime. Post-EC, I can live with not knowing more, but I do want more. I want to get to the the heart of the mystery.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 août 2012 - 11:51 .