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[Soja57]

Updated my post with power icons. Some new/custom-made icons include:

Warp Grenade


Scythe Bolt



Polonium Grenade


Will try to complete all of my new powers (Discharge Blast, Remote Charge, Tesla Field, Lasso, Overpower, Pulsar) with icons.

[MaggotFragger]

Thousands of Protheans on Mars? If that happens, then it must get a campaign reference, too. You can't just have something like that go under the radar like "Oh by the way Javik, I almost forgot to say, we found thousands more of your kind on Mars. Nothing big, but I thought I'd let you know".

[gisle]

MaggotFragger wrote...

Thousands of Protheans on Mars? If that happens, then it must get a campaign reference, too. You can't just have something like that go under the radar like "Oh by the way Javik, I almost forgot to say, we found thousands more of your kind on Mars. Nothing big, but I thought I'd let you know".

Yeah. It's right up there with. "I see you have murdered thousands during your 500 year mind raep killing spree, up for Spec Ops, milday?"

[MoElfarri]

NO prothean in mp

[MaggotFragger]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

MaggotFragger wrote...

Thousands of Protheans on Mars? If that happens, then it must get a campaign reference, too. You can't just have something like that go under the radar like "Oh by the way Javik, I almost forgot to say, we found thousands more of your kind on Mars. Nothing big, but I thought I'd let you know".

Yeah. It's right up there with. "I see you have murdered thousands during your 500 year mind raep killing spree, up for Spec Ops, milday?"

True, but most Ardat-Yakshi are kept under wraps at monasteries, so they never get the chance to (and some don't even want to) go on a "500-year mind raep killing spree". Despite not having Morinth-tier experience and power, an Ardat-Yakshi's destructive power should not be undervalued. You can see this in Samara's other daughters, who are less than 100 years old and have never killed anyone with their deadly mating ritual, but still have formidable biotic control.

Modifié par MaggotFragger, 10 août 2012 - 02:17 .

[Soja57]

What do you guys think of my Terminus Mercenaries? Do you think they would fit in lore-wise?

[TheAshenPhoenix]

MaggotFragger wrote...

Thousands of Protheans on Mars? If that happens, then it must get a campaign reference, too. You can't just have something like that go under the radar like "Oh by the way Javik, I almost forgot to say, we found thousands more of your kind on Mars. Nothing big, but I thought I'd let you know".

I didnt say it wouldnt have to, but bioware would probaly wouldnt put any refrence in
"oh hey shepard, we have a team of spec ops fighting crap every day thats about 20X worse than anything you saw. would you like to meet them? no? then thats okay."
I'm just saying they could have a place in it, its a possibility. And as for whoeveer objected to ardat yakshi, you'll see that only one of the lore possibilities in the description involves "a 500 year mind raping spree"  ardat-yakshi have lived peacefully in thier monastary for a LONG time, even by asari standards. And as for the asari commando idea, who said she cant use dominate? you acted as if because she was an ardat yakshi outside of the monastary she was immdeitaly a pyschopath like morinth, the customs of how the asari deal with the ardat-yakshi are still very much mysterious. In the conversation the pyschaitrist obviously states that in the woman's file she was listed as ardat-yakshi, meaning the asari goverment knew what she was but still let het join. Most likely (but not confirmed) after she had proven she had major self control at a monastary, or swearing to never use her power or most likely going under some kind of justicar level mind rape about her own code about never using her power.

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Soja57 wrote...

What do you guys think of my Terminus Mercenaries? Do you think they would fit in lore-wise?

I think everything here fits in fine, your mercs are defintly safe though. Since they already exist and we have seen them in action, and can recruit them in SP

BTW look at the post I re-edited, and may be changing the name soon. hopefully some of the edits will let people know more about how they fit in

[gisle]

MaggotFragger wrote...
True, but most Ardat-Yakshi are kept under wraps at monasteries, so they never get the chance to (and some don't even want to) go on a "500-year mind raep killing spree". Despite not having Morinth-tier experience and power, an Ardat-Yakshi's destructive power should not be undervalued. You can see this in Samara's other daughters, who are less than 100 years old and have never killed anyone with their deadly mating ritual, but still have formidable biotic control.

Falere is 473 years old. Her combat biotics are not formidable, neither is Rila's. Biotic control is taken for granted, as asari have already a lot of control over their nervous system, which means they can skip a sizable part of biotic training. Falere mention herself too that her combat biotics are bad, I think.

There are around 100 million (10 billion * 1%) Ardat-Yakshi in existence pre-invasion and most of them have a weak version of it, only Samara's daughters are in the far powerful end of the A-Y spectrum. I'd safely assume with Morinth's magnitude, biotic skill / years of training rate doubles.

Neaira is the commando Aeian T'Goni (PTSD asari) speaks of. She must have kept the condition idle without feeding. If it was obvious, Aeian wouldn't show interest in the first place. I assume most A-Ys, at least those in the weak end of the spectrum, live somewhat normal lives, with some possible mutual trust issues with authorities who knows about their condition.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 11 août 2012 - 05:18 .

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

MaggotFragger wrote...
True, but most Ardat-Yakshi are kept under wraps at monasteries, so they never get the chance to (and some don't even want to) go on a "500-year mind raep killing spree". Despite not having Morinth-tier experience and power, an Ardat-Yakshi's destructive power should not be undervalued. You can see this in Samara's other daughters, who are less than 100 years old and have never killed anyone with their deadly mating ritual, but still have formidable biotic control.

Falere is 473 years old. Her combat biotics are not formidable, neither is Rila's. Biotic control is taken for granted, as asari have already a lot of control over their nervous system, which means they can skip a sizable part of biotic training. Falere mention herself too that her combat biotics are bad, I think.

There are around 100 million (10 billion * 1%) Ardat-Yakshi in existence pre-invasion and most of them have a weak version of it, only Samara's daughters are in the far powerful end of the A-Y spectrum. I'd safely assume with Morinth's magnitude, biotic skill / years of training rate doubles.

Neaira is the commando Aeian T'Goni (PTSD asari) speaks of. She must have kept the condition idle without feeding. If it was obvious, Aeian wouldn't show interest in the first place. I assume most A-Ys, at least those in the weak end of the spectrum, live somewhat normal lives, with some possible mutual trust issues with authorities who knows about their condition.

Well the main lore version I wanted to focus on was the monastary one. And even if samara's daughters were not formidable biotics, its safe to assume that this is because they are mostly likely not allowed to train thier biotics within a monastary. After all who would want them to? but they could probaly learn and unlock thier potential at a much faster rate.

As for the commando version, even if it is at a weaker rate. They still could probaly have some of the A-Y potential, after all dominate (which I'm assuming this whole thing is about) is based of their ability to overpower an enemies nervous system, which is innate in every A-Y from thier deadly mating ritual.

[gisle]

^There is lore on the subject of Ardat-Yakshi in commando units, use that, and not other barely related lore.

Aeian would likely not have wanted their friendship to progress into something more if Neaira was known to be an Ardat-Yakshi already, by Aeian's description in the hospital, the condition might never have been named for her. The dominate is something I'd wager is developed after doing this for a few years, otherwise they wouldn't trust anyone in commando units if they could just dominate their superiors or something like that.

Also, Ardat-Yakshi that are active are psycopathic and it is against their nature to cooperate, which would make them horrible soldiers, let alone commandoes.

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

^There is lore on the subject of Ardat-Yakshi in commando units, use that, and not other barely related lore.

Aeian would likely not have wanted their friendship to progress into something more if Neaira was known to be an Ardat-Yakshi already, by Aeian's description in the hospital, the condition might never have been named for her. The dominate is something I'd wager is developed after doing this for a few years, otherwise they wouldn't trust anyone in commando units if they could just dominate their superiors or something like that.

Also, Ardat-Yakshi that are active are psycopathic and it is against their nature to cooperate, which would make them horrible soldiers, let alone commandoes.

I'm only going to talk about the last part, since the fourm is in no way about how much an A-Y wants to love another asari.

I would wager otherwise, since after all in the game shepard could use it anywyay. And even without that, I dont know if it would need years of development. why would it if it seems most A-Y related powers are innate, such as thier enhanced biotic control, deadly mating rituals etc.

Like I said the asari at the monastart have proven self control, and commando units are still ardat-yakshi, meaning that they surely have self control as well. And as for the part about them not being let into the military over being able to dominate superiors. Dont you think that someone would notice the superior acting like a zombie and obsessing over someone whos a lower rank than them? espically since the asari themselves know A-Y more than others?

Ethier way I think were getting a little bit to lost in the details here anyway,

[gisle]

Phoenix535 wrote...

I'm only going to talk about the last part, since the fourm is in no way about how much an A-Y wants to love another asari.

I would wager otherwise, since after all in the game shepard could use it anywyay. And even without that, I dont know if it would need years of development. why would it if it seems most A-Y related powers are innate, such as thier enhanced biotic control, deadly mating rituals etc.

Like I said the asari at the monastart have proven self control, and commando units are still ardat-yakshi, meaning that they surely have self control as well. And as for the part about them not being let into the military over being able to dominate superiors. Dont you think that someone would notice the superior acting like a zombie and obsessing over someone whos a lower rank than them? espically since the asari themselves know A-Y more than others?

Ethier way I think were getting a little bit to lost in the details here anyway,

It is not, but it is very relevant. If her condition was utilized in commando service and obvious, Aeian would not show interest in the first place.

Their deadly mating is a wrongly developed nervous system. Morinth have been on a killing spree for over 430 years, but still her biotic development is only twice what's normal, and she is comparable to Samara who is 850-1000 years old. Also, the condition is addictive, and I'd wager that the addiction only gets stronger the more she does it.

If they're willing to lock up Ardat-Yakshi out of fear, it would not make sense for the paranoid species that is asari to allow them to utilize the condition that is of great shame to the species. When you want something swept under the rug, you don't put them among elite soldier units and allow them to use said shame. Their body counts are astronomical.

As for the superior thing, Morinth managed to dominate an entire town. As with biotics in general, they are heavily nerfed in the name of game balance. That Shepard can get Dominate is likely just lore sacrifized for game mechanics' sake, as it is with shields, which is established in lore cannot stop melée attacks or fire. This is yet another example of when two parts of the team aren't agreeing.

The asari at the monestary aren't even allowed to be in the same room unsupervised. Their control is never really tested.

You just want a MP character with "Dominate". I want MP characters to stick to lore.

Lost in details? This is one of my favorite aspects of the lore. I know pretty much anythere there is to know about it. And find it kind of fun to debate it in the numerous threads with the silly idea of it being a viable kind of fighting style for N7 spec ops.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 12 août 2012 - 02:09 .

[TheAshenPhoenix]

it is sticking to lore. like I said in my description, they A-Y are have not been using their powers in commando sevices. they are supposed to be using them just now, how does morinth dominating an entire town have anything to do with it anyway?
Since they have not been allowed to use thier powers before, this negates what you are saying. But I do understand the part about wondering why the asari would let them onto the battlefeild even though they have been locked up.
Thats the point
Ask yourself, in a battle where its winning or extinction, do you really think you'd want to hold anything you have back?
I do not just want a MP chr with dominate, I love making things fit into lore. I love thinking about how things do or dont make sense in the ME3 universe. And to me this makes sense.
If it were me, I would be organizing people to try and convince the asari gov. to let A-Y battle because they are formidable and I do NOT want to go exctint.
Anyway, this makes sense to me, not to you. to each their own. I'm done with this conversation.

Now if I could just get tis thread back to getting people to brainstorm chr ideas and powers. instead of having lore freakouts like I was trying to avoid.

Feel free to post any new chr. ideas everyone!

Modifié par Phoenix535, 12 août 2012 - 02:34 .

[gisle]

^Does it seem the asari are acting as if they're going extinct? No, they are bad at making decisions as they consider the really long term consequences, even with the Reaper war going on -- example: the prothean tech they were wothiolding. And I doubt Ardat-Yakshi can just wake up one day and decide to use it, and be skilled in domination asap, or within months. If so, then I doubt they would even consider having them among military, or free at all.

There's no such thing as an asari government, neither politicians. Sure, matriarchs with political influence, but not politicians.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 12 août 2012 - 04:13 .

[lillitheris]

…Why can’t we spell out ‘character’? I find this very odd.

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Arcian wrote...

MoElfarri wrote...

NO prothean in mp

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess.

yeah my thoughts exactly, this is why I wrote the rule you need a reason to object and not just say this because you are clearly against the race entirely and probaly didnt bother to read the description in the first place

Again, anyone who veiwed feel free to put your ideas down in text and post characters here.
btw for the iliethiers 9name butchered                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^

Modifié par Phoenix535, 12 août 2012 - 10:22 .

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

^Does it seem the asari are acting as if they're going extinct? No, they are bad at making decisions as they consider the really long term consequences, even with the Reaper war going on -- example: the prothean tech they were wothiolding. And I doubt Ardat-Yakshi can just wake up one day and decide to use it, and be skilled in domination asap, or within months. If so, then I doubt they would even consider having them among military, or free at all.

There's no such thing as an asari government, neither politicians. Sure, matriarchs with political influence, but not politicians.

anyway, this makes sense to me, not to you. to each thier own. I'm done with this conversation

[TheAshenPhoenix]

USED TO BE SPECTRE SQUAD IDEA

Modifié par Phoenix535, 14 août 2012 - 12:02 .

[gisle]

Phoenix535 wrote...

anyway, this makes sense to me, not to you. to each thier own. I'm done with this conversation

Lore is fact-based. And you provide no counter arguments, when I do to all points you come up with. It is very obvious you haven't read up on all lore concerning the condition and the three affected.

Still, you have no counter argument for that affected asari who embrace the condition are aphathic, psycopathic, and uncooperative. And their urge to feed, and powers both increase per victim killed by melding.

You ignore most my points by asking if they matter, when I do specify. Example, the following:
Morinth dominating an entire town matters, because when not constrained by game-balance, the Dominate among powerful A-Ys like Morinth is able to make a great amount of people worshipping the A-Y, which means that if the superior is dominated, nothing is stopping her from dominating an extreme amount of people that would also notice.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 13 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Phoenix535 wrote...

anyway, this makes sense to me, not to you. to each thier own. I'm done with this conversation

Lore is fact-based. And you provide no counter arguments, when I do to all points you come up with. It is very obvious you haven't read up on all lore concerning the condition and the three affected.

Still, you have no counter argument for that affected asari who embrace the condition are aphathic, psycopathic, and uncooperative. And their urge to feed, and powers both increase per victim killed by melding.

You ignore most my points by asking if they matter, when I do specify. Example, the following:
Morinth dominating an entire town matters, because when not constrained by game-balance, the Dominate among powerful A-Ys like Morinth is able to make a great amount of people worshipping the A-Y, which means that if the superior is dominated, nothing is stopping her from dominating an extreme amount of people that would also notice.

I have provided my agruments, how it makes sense to me. And stated that I'm done arguing with you, stop arguing for the sake of arguing please. I am not even going to say my comeback to everything you just said because I'm done with this argument. This thread is about trying to create new characters and brainstorming new ideas. this is defintly not it and this has gone on for far to long a time.
This makes sense to me, not to you. to each their own, i"m done with this conversation.

Modifié par Phoenix535, 13 août 2012 - 07:12 .

[gisle]

I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. You're making a very controversial idea, and I'm stating why it won't make sense lore-wise. I see connections you are blatantly ignoring, as you have to ask why it should matter.

I am not even going to say my comeback to everything you just said because I'm done with this argument

Fancy way of saying you can't, but don't want to admit it.

Also, this is your thread, if others have character ideas, they'll make their own. Let this be about your character ideas -- which are hardly original, I've done this argument many times.

However, I'm dropping it, unless you start to defend your ideas, which you aren't. You're denying me to critisize them. What else can be done from us others? If I had my own ideas, I would make my own thread.

[zRz Tyr]

 Tactical Space MarinePassives: Immune to insta-kills. Increased Toughness. Increased Melee. Increased Movement Speed. Increased Weapon Stability. 
Movement:Combat RollMelee: Combat BladeAbilites: And they shall know no fear (Immunity, but 10x better), Astartes Pattern Frag Grenades (10x better frag grenades), Vox Scan (Like Tactical Scan's 6th evolution)

Assault Space MarinePassives: Immune to insta-kills. Increased Toughness. Increased Melee. Increased Movement Speed. Increased Weapon Stability. 
Movement: Jump packMelee: Chainsword, Power Weapon, Power FistAbilites: And they shall know no fear (Immunity, but 10x better), Melta Bombs (10x better homing grenade), Jump Pack Charge (Biotic charge without the shield recharge, but 10x more damage)

Devastator Space MarinePassives: Immune to insta-kills. Increased Toughness. Increased Melee. Increased Movement Speed. Increased Weapon Stability.
Movement:Combat Leap Melee: KicksAbilites: And they shall know no fear (Immunity, but 10x better), Marksman, Signum Link (Like Tactical Scan, but 10x better)

[TheAshenPhoenix]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. You're making a very controversial idea, and I'm stating why it won't make sense lore-wise. I see connections you are blatantly ignoring, as you have to ask why it should matter.

I am not even going to say my comeback to everything you just said because I'm done with this argument

Fancy way of saying you can't, but don't want to admit it.

Also, this is your thread, if others have character ideas, they'll make their own. Let this be about your character ideas -- which are hardly original, I've done this argument many times.

However, I'm dropping it, unless you start to defend your ideas, which you aren't. You're denying me to critisize them. What else can be done from us others? If I had my own ideas, I would make my own thread.

Just stop, I told you I dont wnat to hear it but you continue to respond, to bad responding to people with your ideas only makes them angrier, I will make my thread on whatever I want.
I have all my ideas ready to counter yours, but you just want to act like your superior.
I suppose it means that much to feed your ego.
But this thread is about me posting my chr ideas and others posting thiers.
not someone arguing with me for two pages on something I dont care about so they can ethier get the last word in or think theyre superior.
drop it
And yes, at this point you are arguing for the sake of arguing since this is no longer even on the topic of the thread

I am hoping to put this thread back on its intended use, maybe if I could get people to discuss thier own chr ideas and not THIS people could actually use this thread and not you arguing. But I suppose that since you merely want to feel superior and get the last word you will just keep trying to find a way to find one little thing, or say one little thing to continue the argument and try and get the last word, so I suppose that even if it means letting you get the last word I should just ignore the post and let you feel as if you've won. even though its clear you merely wouldve never stopped.

Modifié par Phoenix535, 13 août 2012 - 08:40 .