Yesterday and this afternoon, I have tried to beat the Demon Sloth in the Fade quest. No matter whatI try, I get killed and after trying so many times, well, you give in, or, perhaps I will slam my computer to pieces. I think that will make the game to expensive.
Do I like the game? Yes, I think it is a great game. I have played Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights and I really looked forward to this title. The problem is, when it is red, I am dead. The Dragon on Mountain Top, I can just scratch him. The Renegade, in the courtyard in Redcliff castle? He did kick me out of the game, but it was on hard mode. I rerolled on normal mode, but it still was a narrow escape.
At some point you have to fight your own mirror team, so I set every team member against his/her own mirror, my team, is Alistair, Morrigan and dog. I was annihillated in seconds. I tried again with pulling each member one at a time. That trick worked, but only because Morrigan's mirror did not take part in the fight. Why? sluggy A.I. I guess.
Now that Sloth guy, I had him down once to just a tiny slice on his health bar. So was also my character, Morrigan (she carries most of my hard fights). She also had no mana. I had to drink and to heal and then give the final blow. The final blow came my way.
With my last fight, my whole party was alive and everybody had more than 60% health at the final confrontation. The guy cast blizzard and I see everybody die just one after another. This is it, I can't stand that intro dialogue anymore, I have heard it for a dozen times. I suppose the guy tells the truth, the game is over. I am off the Dungeons and Dragons Online.
The game has beaten me
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 08:07
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have you tried bringing it down to easy instead of what difficulty you are? better than quitting.
also, whenever he casts in his final form, THATS when you hit him with an ability that might interrupt it. save the interruption abilities for that so he'll never be able to cast on you.
also, whenever he casts in his final form, THATS when you hit him with an ability that might interrupt it. save the interruption abilities for that so he'll never be able to cast on you.
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 08:17
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wah wah wah
Try actually reading the forums/using a decent character setup/going down to easy/asking questions instead of crying about it?
Try actually reading the forums/using a decent character setup/going down to easy/asking questions instead of crying about it?
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 08:22
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Save your interrupts for when he is casting and make frequent use of the lyrium veins and the Sloth Demon is a cake walk. Remember, be absolutely sure to have as many stuns as possible off of cool down when he turns into his final caster form. He can do some pretty brutal damage in that form so it's best to just stun lock him.
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 08:31
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Letting your party get all the way down to 60% during a boss fight is asking for trouble. You should try to keep everyone topped off so you don't die next time the boss uses a strong attack. Also, if you let a boss cast a long channeling aoe spell and then let your party stay in range, what do you expect to happen?
It sounds like you have pretty poor tactics, not to be mean but if you don't learn how to play a game well then you should expect to have trouble beating it. Sending your party members to fight one on one is a terrible idea. If you are getting beaten that badly by the AI that you recognise is not very good playing a copy of your party, it means you're doing something wrong. I'm not trying to flame you, only to point out the obvious: of course you are going to lose fights if you don't learn how to fight well in the game. Read some of the many helpful strategies and guides here on the forum or elsewhere around the internet if you want to get better at the game. If you don't, then I guess it's not the game for you.
It sounds like you have pretty poor tactics, not to be mean but if you don't learn how to play a game well then you should expect to have trouble beating it. Sending your party members to fight one on one is a terrible idea. If you are getting beaten that badly by the AI that you recognise is not very good playing a copy of your party, it means you're doing something wrong. I'm not trying to flame you, only to point out the obvious: of course you are going to lose fights if you don't learn how to fight well in the game. Read some of the many helpful strategies and guides here on the forum or elsewhere around the internet if you want to get better at the game. If you don't, then I guess it's not the game for you.
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 08:36
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Also does your dog have overwhelm? A lot of people rag on the poor mutt but I'm using him in my latest playthrough and overwhelm is friggen GREAT. It's an instagib talent on practically any whites (particularly mages and archers) and sometimes works on yellows as well.It won't kill them outright, but with the rest of your party beating on them while your dog is mauling their face they're not going to be alive for long.
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 09:15
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@sinosleep: I love it when my puppy overwhelms, you are so right. And the chewing sounds he makes are priceless.
@ervanol: I have good luck against sloth by shifting forms. When he is in ogre form I take golem form, when he goes to a fire based demon form I shift to burning man, when he is in arcane horror mode I shift to spirit form because it has good magic resistance. You can pretty much ignore the blizzard in that form. The rest of my party I send to the Lyrium veins for healing. The one form I never shift into is mouse form!
@ervanol: I have good luck against sloth by shifting forms. When he is in ogre form I take golem form, when he goes to a fire based demon form I shift to burning man, when he is in arcane horror mode I shift to spirit form because it has good magic resistance. You can pretty much ignore the blizzard in that form. The rest of my party I send to the Lyrium veins for healing. The one form I never shift into is mouse form!
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 10:19
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Oh, you can disrupt him during his spells ? I never noticed. I always cursed when he put up that storm, but with 2 spirit healers (Wynne and my HC) I just healed through it. 
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 10:46
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Yeah, shifting forms works. Switch to Golem, use Quake and Hurl to interrupt casting, switch to Spirit form and use crushing prison, switch to burning man and fireball, etc.
And for the love of god, if you want help, post your team!
And for the love of god, if you want help, post your team!
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Posté 21 décembre 2009 - 10:51
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LostScout wrote...
<snip> The one form I never shift into is mouse form!
Attention modders -- Mouse Form needs love!
ability: You Are Cheese
ability: Squeak of Doom
Sorry for OT, I couldn' resist
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 12:19
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TheLeafy wrote...
wah wah wah
Try actually reading the forums/using a decent character setup/going down to easy/asking questions instead of crying about it?
You could've just been a lot nicer and given him some tips on how you beat the Sloth Demon instead of just being a forum douchebag.
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 12:23
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You can change the game's difficulty you know. . .
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 12:34
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Squeak of Doom indeed! Wouldn't it be great if you could set and disarm traps while in mouseform? Just like a real mouse.
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 12:42
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The Sloth demon is one of the easiest bosses in the game because you get so many options! Turn down the difficulty and try lots of different strategies and you will own the bastard in no time. Im far from a perfect player and had to try some bosses many times before i felt comfortable with the game mechanics. Always remember they are a PARTY and should be used as such not independant warriors. I remember having to fight the damn Broodmother 100 damn times because i brought Oghren and Shale for story reasons and couldnt part myself from love interest Lelianna, so i had a 3 warrior 1 rouge party for my time with her. PAINFULL!
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 02:54
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The final form casts death magic - you can run from it if you see it coming,
keep your guys spread out,
you need to switch to mage form and cast crushing prison
and as everyone else said - stun him with whatever - he dies quick enough once you get past is area spells
keep your guys spread out,
you need to switch to mage form and cast crushing prison
and as everyone else said - stun him with whatever - he dies quick enough once you get past is area spells
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 03:03
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There are some things this OP has missed and I haven't seen mentioned:
If you use a balm that protects you from ice, you can continue to fight during a blizzard. I've done it. 3 out of 4 of the team...and ice balm.
Use the balms. They are in the game for a reason.
Like someone else said. Use your lyrium veins. They both heal and replenish mana, though I don't know if they do both at the same time.
Shapechange. Crushing prison (spirit form) is brutal against ogres. You get good mileage with the golem and stuns from his quake talent, and then hit the guy for good measure before you change into something else.
Use Alistair's Templar talents. They've saved me more than once. Someone (usually a ranked enemy) casts something that doesn't let you heal, or whatever..and Alistair (if you level up his templar talents just one point) can help out, and if 2 points, he can clear the area of magic. That is *so* helpful.
But yeah, use those balms. I stock up on spirit balm before the last fight.
It sounds like the OP is sitting with a toolbox full of tools and wondering why the screwdriver doesn't save him when it's a hammer that's needed. And turn the difficulty down if you want to have an easier time of it.
Also check the tactics for each character with you and make sure they're not programmed to do stupid things. Which, by default, sometimes they are.
Also, crafting is your friend. Although I can make the dubious claim to having completely run out of potions right before going into the fade on that leg of the journey, not once, but twice! and still completed the fade because I was too lazy to redo the whole tower, you become very, very good at noticing where every lyrium vein is and knowing what their cooldown is (yes, they have a cooldown). It can be done. It's not a pleasant experience however. My point....before you begin ANY questline, especially a major plot one, always make sure you have plenty of: flasks, elfroot, lyrium dust, distiller agent, concentrator agent (optional but helpful), etc. Then, when you need a potion or two...you have it.
But it can be done without a single healing or lyrium potion. I know.
Shapeshifting does something else important. If you shift from something that has say, 200 health, into yourself, you will then likely have full health again. then you can change into something with more and it will add that more. It's pretty amazing, but the shapeshifting int he fade did for me what potions would have, if I had had one with me! It doesn't seem to always work, but it did sometimes.
That's just the fade thing.
Take a break. Have a snack. Or a chocolate.
Read the manual for a spell.
Try taking each part by itself and just working your way through that one spot. If something goes critical the same way each time, examine what you're doing wrong just before then. More of the same will only net you more of the same...so obviously...try something else!
If you use a balm that protects you from ice, you can continue to fight during a blizzard. I've done it. 3 out of 4 of the team...and ice balm.
Use the balms. They are in the game for a reason.
Like someone else said. Use your lyrium veins. They both heal and replenish mana, though I don't know if they do both at the same time.
Shapechange. Crushing prison (spirit form) is brutal against ogres. You get good mileage with the golem and stuns from his quake talent, and then hit the guy for good measure before you change into something else.
Use Alistair's Templar talents. They've saved me more than once. Someone (usually a ranked enemy) casts something that doesn't let you heal, or whatever..and Alistair (if you level up his templar talents just one point) can help out, and if 2 points, he can clear the area of magic. That is *so* helpful.
But yeah, use those balms. I stock up on spirit balm before the last fight.
It sounds like the OP is sitting with a toolbox full of tools and wondering why the screwdriver doesn't save him when it's a hammer that's needed. And turn the difficulty down if you want to have an easier time of it.
Also check the tactics for each character with you and make sure they're not programmed to do stupid things. Which, by default, sometimes they are.
Also, crafting is your friend. Although I can make the dubious claim to having completely run out of potions right before going into the fade on that leg of the journey, not once, but twice! and still completed the fade because I was too lazy to redo the whole tower, you become very, very good at noticing where every lyrium vein is and knowing what their cooldown is (yes, they have a cooldown). It can be done. It's not a pleasant experience however. My point....before you begin ANY questline, especially a major plot one, always make sure you have plenty of: flasks, elfroot, lyrium dust, distiller agent, concentrator agent (optional but helpful), etc. Then, when you need a potion or two...you have it.
But it can be done without a single healing or lyrium potion. I know.
Shapeshifting does something else important. If you shift from something that has say, 200 health, into yourself, you will then likely have full health again. then you can change into something with more and it will add that more. It's pretty amazing, but the shapeshifting int he fade did for me what potions would have, if I had had one with me! It doesn't seem to always work, but it did sometimes.
That's just the fade thing.
Take a break. Have a snack. Or a chocolate.
Read the manual for a spell.
Try taking each part by itself and just working your way through that one spot. If something goes critical the same way each time, examine what you're doing wrong just before then. More of the same will only net you more of the same...so obviously...try something else!
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 10:37
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Some pretty nice advices here, thanks for those. The other good news is that I have beaten the guy. As weird as it may seem, it went pretty smooth; I sometimes wonder if the A.I dumb itselfs down, so your chances increase after you have bitten the dust so many times.
My character is a rogue/ranger combo. His task is supporting, clear traps, recon the area and pull the mobs. My standard team is Alistair, last standing Grey Warden, Dog, true friend forever, and, of course, Morrigan. For the Mage Circle quest I had Dog replaced by Sven. The frustration with this fight came when I got beaten in the final stage, so I had to redo the first tree stages, got easy on it and many times lost a crucial party member in one of the first stages.
The fight went like this. I fight and Aggro the Sloth in golem form, Alistair and Sven are attacking him from the side and back. I have one health potion. I see that Alistair and Sven are taking quite some damage, while there damage output is neglectable. I move them to the side of the map, out of harms way. I have already positioned Morrigan at a safe distant. She uses arcane bolt, winter shatter, drain life and here staff. Together with the Golem attacks, these can take chunks of hp out of the Ogre. Morrigan has also that protection spell, it freezes your target, you can do nothing, but also, it doesn't take any damage. Basically this was the pattern of the fight, my character protected, Sloth beating on him, Morrigan nuking from a distant. I had no purpose for Alistair and Sven. Sven died in the final stage. I suppose it was the blizzard spell. I also think that if you bring a second mage to this fight, you will have an easy ride, anyway, two party members, one a mage, can do the job.
In general, my frustration comes from this. The smart combatant picks his fights on his terms. He chooses where, when and how to fight, so the odds favour him as much as possible; to control events and not to be controlled by events. Now fill this in with all these cutscene fights, fights that puts you direct in front of the enemy, the concept of outsmarting the foe looses it to outnuking him.
Anyway, I suppose the story continues.
My character is a rogue/ranger combo. His task is supporting, clear traps, recon the area and pull the mobs. My standard team is Alistair, last standing Grey Warden, Dog, true friend forever, and, of course, Morrigan. For the Mage Circle quest I had Dog replaced by Sven. The frustration with this fight came when I got beaten in the final stage, so I had to redo the first tree stages, got easy on it and many times lost a crucial party member in one of the first stages.
The fight went like this. I fight and Aggro the Sloth in golem form, Alistair and Sven are attacking him from the side and back. I have one health potion. I see that Alistair and Sven are taking quite some damage, while there damage output is neglectable. I move them to the side of the map, out of harms way. I have already positioned Morrigan at a safe distant. She uses arcane bolt, winter shatter, drain life and here staff. Together with the Golem attacks, these can take chunks of hp out of the Ogre. Morrigan has also that protection spell, it freezes your target, you can do nothing, but also, it doesn't take any damage. Basically this was the pattern of the fight, my character protected, Sloth beating on him, Morrigan nuking from a distant. I had no purpose for Alistair and Sven. Sven died in the final stage. I suppose it was the blizzard spell. I also think that if you bring a second mage to this fight, you will have an easy ride, anyway, two party members, one a mage, can do the job.
In general, my frustration comes from this. The smart combatant picks his fights on his terms. He chooses where, when and how to fight, so the odds favour him as much as possible; to control events and not to be controlled by events. Now fill this in with all these cutscene fights, fights that puts you direct in front of the enemy, the concept of outsmarting the foe looses it to outnuking him.
Anyway, I suppose the story continues.
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Posté 22 décembre 2009 - 07:45
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Heh, or you ran into one of those infamous difficulty spikes. Have you patched your game? I remember running into one or two encounters (not even boss encounters most of the time) and just getting my face ripped off. Reloading and trying again . . . only to breeze through the fight with no effort whatsoever.
Who knows.
Who knows.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 01:55
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ervanol wrote...
Yesterday and this afternoon, I have tried to beat the Demon Sloth in the Fade quest. No matter whatI try, I get killed and after trying so many times, well, you give in, or, perhaps I will slam my computer to pieces. I think that will make the game to expensive.
Do I like the game? Yes, I think it is a great game. I have played Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights and I really looked forward to this title. The problem is, when it is red, I am dead. The Dragon on Mountain Top, I can just scratch him. The Renegade, in the courtyard in Redcliff castle? He did kick me out of the game, but it was on hard mode. I rerolled on normal mode, but it still was a narrow escape.
At some point you have to fight your own mirror team, so I set every team member against his/her own mirror, my team, is Alistair, Morrigan and dog. I was annihillated in seconds. I tried again with pulling each member one at a time. That trick worked, but only because Morrigan's mirror did not take part in the fight. Why? sluggy A.I. I guess.
Now that Sloth guy, I had him down once to just a tiny slice on his health bar. So was also my character, Morrigan (she carries most of my hard fights). She also had no mana. I had to drink and to heal and then give the final blow. The final blow came my way.
With my last fight, my whole party was alive and everybody had more than 60% health at the final confrontation. The guy cast blizzard and I see everybody die just one after another. This is it, I can't stand that intro dialogue anymore, I have heard it for a dozen times. I suppose the guy tells the truth, the game is over. I am off the Dungeons and Dragons Online.
It beats me why people find this game so hard. Some whine about how hard gold is to collect, others about difficulty. Both are obstacles that are easy to overcome with common sense and logic. If you are playing on nightmare or hard i suggest you turn the difficulty down, if you are on normal or easy... delete your character, read the forums and make a decent one.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 02:08
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The Sloth fight isnt too hard, fight in Golem mode for all but the second phrase (burning man). Switch Alistair or any melee dps to ranged so they dont get friendly fire from golem aoe. position mages next to Lyrium veins. Your pc shouldnt lose aggro, though this may happen if its a mage in golem form. On the one occasion this happened to me I lost aggro to Leliana and she just kited him around while morrigan and wynne did the work with staff dps. Kind of annoying but its usually one of the easier boss fights when you get to know it. Pesonally I think the Branka and Jarvia boss fights are the hardest overall.I tend to have to micro manage the Jarvia encounter in particular.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 01:33
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Tatics my boy. Tactics. Beating DA involves Tactics.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 06:27
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Here is an update of my game experience so far. Don't be afraid, I have no intention of keeping the game community informed of my game experience.
To make something clear, I play on normal mode. I have tried hard, but that is too hard for me. Another thing, I have rolled a mage and I am having a blast. I have finished the Lothering and Redcliff area and did not die a single time. Two things I have to add to this. I installed the latest patch and, of course, I know what is coming.
Nevertheless, mages do pretty well. After the Sloth fight you get back to the tower and have to fight Uldred. I set Morrigan on Uldred and kept the other team members on the side mobs. The fight went very easy. I kept Uldred frozen with Cone of Cold and kited him round the area hitting him with arcane bolts and drain life.
Mages are strong in this game. That's why I rolled one, but actually, I don't like mages.
To make something clear, I play on normal mode. I have tried hard, but that is too hard for me. Another thing, I have rolled a mage and I am having a blast. I have finished the Lothering and Redcliff area and did not die a single time. Two things I have to add to this. I installed the latest patch and, of course, I know what is coming.
Nevertheless, mages do pretty well. After the Sloth fight you get back to the tower and have to fight Uldred. I set Morrigan on Uldred and kept the other team members on the side mobs. The fight went very easy. I kept Uldred frozen with Cone of Cold and kited him round the area hitting him with arcane bolts and drain life.
Mages are strong in this game. That's why I rolled one, but actually, I don't like mages.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 10:14
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Just use the golem form and smash the guy for god's sake. I have never lost that battle. Just get wynne or someone to stand by a Lyrium vein and heal you while you pound on the demon. It's seriously one of the easiest battles in the game. I've completed it with every class at least once and twice in some cases.
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Posté 23 décembre 2009 - 11:19
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To be honest in 9/10 fights your party mages make or break you. Picking up abilities like force field and crushing prison early on will make a huge diffrence.
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Posté 24 décembre 2009 - 12:40
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jsachun wrote...
Tatics my boy. Tactics. Beating DA involves Tactics.
Let the truth be told!
but honestly ill agree to that 100%, if you know how to set tactics, you can rock this game out like no other. Ive played through 4 times already (twice on hard) and im working on my first nightmare run, and i RARELY ever pause the game, only time i ever do is if someone dies and i need to rezz.
if you played FFXII and you learned to use gambits well, these tactics are a cake walk.
