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[Endurium]

*looks at game library* There has certainly been a shift for me from games made in the USA to games made in Europe. Larian (Belgium) and CDPR (Poland) are among my favorite modern developers.

[zeypher]

Oh yes i love larian games. I absolutely enjoyed divinity 2 and turning into a dragon is always fun

[RedArmyShogun]

*ques up the CDPR's new game will have multiplayer thread, cackles madly to himself*

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Huh. Self promotion from a company that has only made poorly selling games.

[slimgrin]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Huh. Self promotion from a company that has only made poorly selling games.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

slimgrin wrote...

snipped a picture implying agreement

LOL!   Was that Garbicht?  The main character from Twitcher?

[Endurium]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Huh. Self promotion from a company that has only made poorly selling games.

I blame that on the ignorant masses in North America. So many people I've talked to have never heard of Divinity/2 or The Witcher.

[Oni Changas]

This is why CDP deserves mad respect. They're untainted and mutually respect their customers. Thankfully, they're not alone.

[Torrible]

They are saying exactly what you want to hear, just like every company out there.

[Nordicus]

Torrible wrote...

They are saying exactly what you want to hear, just like every company out there.

Well EA and Bioware have shown us that you can do that badly as well

[Morroian]

slimgrin wrote...

They may toot their own horn a lot, but that's their PR angle - walk the talk in a day when the industry is far removed from the customer and as willing to milk fans as please them. Truth is other european devs like Larian and Egosoft have the same values, but without the bravado. CDPR chose to be a community driven company right from the beginning and that's just smart business.

Maybe, until they begin the make decisions gamers don't like (and it will happen) then the backlash will be far greater, similar to whats happened with Bioware.  

And yes they have a definite holier than thou attitude something that still stops me from playing their games, now Larian OTOH.........

Modifié par Morroian, 10 août 2012 - 10:31 .

[Addai]

Torrible wrote...

They are saying exactly what you want to hear, just like every company out there.

As long as they keep doing what they say, which up to now they have.  Unlike other game companies.

[billy the squid]

Torrible wrote...

They are saying exactly what you want to hear, just like every company out there.

Yeah, except most other companies don't walk the talk. CDPR have done so.

[robertm2]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Huh. Self promotion from a company that has only made poorly selling games.

they havent sold that poorly if that was the case the company would have shut down. considering they are a foriegn company that is working in a crowded enviroment in which most gamers are set in their ways i would say they are doing pretty good not to mention the witcher 2 was very well reviewed and loved by most of the people who have played it. And what company doesnt self promote isnt that called marketing? Or should they hire 2k games to market for them from now on?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

They really like to pump their own tires.

But they've more or less delivered on what they've promised and their business practices have mostly been pro-consumer.

Although I already liked CDPR after The Witcher 1, what impressed me was how CDPR handled reactions to Witcher 2 endings compared to BioWare and the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, the ME 3 endings had a lot more popcorn potential and the end result from both companies were similar (extra content for free), but the way each company reacted to fan reaction was telling.

[MingWolf]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how people actually believe game companies are out for something other than money.

You are not a person to CDPR, you are a number on their bottom line. They'll say anything to keep it like that.

It's true that they are out there to make money, but at the end of the day, good business practice is everything... and, quite frankly, they live up to everything they say.  Their approach of handling their customers is above and beyond.  They sell their games DRM free as a mutual benefit between them and their customers.  Free DLC as a post sale service?  As a customer, how can one not like that?

I don't consider myself the biggest fan of their games, despite raising Zoltan Chivay as my avatar.  Their games are great and of exceptional quality, though not exactly my flavor, and I haven't played the Witcher in a while.  But if anything, their business practices are second-to-none, and that makes me put my trust in them in developing exceptional games. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

J. Reezy wrote...

Every CDPR interview being used as ammunition against EA is getting kind of stale.

To be fair, on these forums any interview about anything is used as ammunition against EA.

[billy the squid]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how people actually believe game companies are out for something other than money.

You are not a person to CDPR, you are a number on their bottom line. They'll say anything to keep it like that.

Saying anything and actually delivering on it are entirely different, so far CDPR has delivered. Other companies come out with a lot of marketing spiel, and we all know it's largely smoke and mirrors, hence the cynicism.

Modifié par billy the squid, 11 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[Addai]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how people actually believe game companies are out for something other than money.

You are not a person to CDPR, you are a number on their bottom line. They'll say anything to keep it like that.

Who said they're not?  There are some companies who make money and get a good reputation by keeping high customer satisfaction and putting out a quality product.  Crazy, I know!

Modifié par Addai67, 11 août 2012 - 12:39 .

[robertm2]

J. Reezy wrote...

Every CDPR interview being used as ammunition against EA is getting kind of stale.

i dont remember anyone mentioning ea. i can see how someone may assume that considering ea is doing the exact opposite of cd projekt but if its being construed as ammunition against ea when nobody has even mentioned them that just go's to show how people see ea. and they have nobody to blame but themselves for how the public see's them.

[slimgrin]

I'd go out on a limb and say CDPR has a healthy passion about what they do that hasn't been dimmed yet by the demands of development. There's tons of flourishes and solid content they added to TW2 that has no immediate financial reward.

-Short quests like Troll Trouble and Sack full of Fluff

-Arena mode. Any other dev would've charged for something this big. I've spent dozens of hours in it.

-Completely altering Geralt's pretty boy face to something more rugged based on fan input. (Thank you Poland)

-QTE's being made optional were a response to fan request.

-They added bloody farm animals to the game..again, it was fan request.

-Haircuts..yeah I know trivial. So were Thane's shades and other skins. Other companies charge for this stuff, or they don't have customization show until you pay for it. Like ME2, or SSF4.

-The EE. This was a big chunk of quality content ( 2-3 hrs) that was completely free and intelligently resolved some issues with the ending. ME3's 'fix' is a complete joke compared to the trouble CDPR went through.

-Modding tools.

I know gamers can be cynical people, and whether you like their games or not, if you can't recognize they're setting a superb example you need to get your head checked.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 août 2012 - 01:07 .

[robertm2]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Look, all the things you guys described are a result of good customer awareness. People don't like paid DLCs that alter the ending, a really popular games ending was being bashed and people didn't like their ending. So what do they do? They change their ending for free. That, in turn, builds a reputation for them because they're going against the big bad companies that people happen to be angry at for the moment. Just look at their marketing campaign. Instead of focusing soley on their games good qualities they instead compared them to Mass Effect 3's bad qualities. All they are doing right now is playing off of the hype that Mass Effect 3's ending caused and people are eating it right up.

They are only considered a top elechon developer right now because they are playing people. The game isn't that good. The mechanics are sputtery, there's twice the auto-dialogue, etc. If it were a Bioware game people would be bashing it. See what I'm getting at?

most people who have played the witcher 2 would disagree. the story is great and while there is auto dialogue that has always been in the witcher. you get to choose what your character says usually when it has an effect on the story. the entire second chapter can take place in a different location with almost all different quests aka your choices actually matter and while the combat isnt stellar everything about the witcher 2 is an improvement over the first game. people bash bioware because the games they make are getting worse not better. And as far as them bashing bioware it isnt really the case. The whole different color's thing was not a mention to bioware people on these forums just used it for their purposes. The different choices you make in the game actual affects the color of the scenery along with other things in the game thats what they were reffering to.

Modifié par robertm2, 11 août 2012 - 12:56 .