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[Xaijin]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

No protheans. They're dead. The end. Get over it.

Oh hi! I'm a Rachni LOL.


I was considered "extinct" during the Prothean Empire, the current cycle, ME1, ME2, and ME3. LOL Yet we keep coming back to life nao k?


u mad we no die bro? lol



Also...



Protheans Extinct... ME1

Huskified Protheans(Collectors) In ME2

Javik in ME3

Collectors mention in codex in ME3



Yeah, lore... keeping using that fallacious arguement! 

There's nothing fallacious about it. Collectors aren't protheans as the game rather blatantly points out what with Javik's vengeance speech and it's pretty cool you completly coveniently ignore EDI's explanantion as to what happened. Collectors are what's left, which is pretty mucht he entire point of Javik's arc in ME3.

Fallacious seems to be on your end.

Dead, gone, buh bi, thanks for playing.

[M.T.Headed]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Why all the hate for Protheans?

I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, while I like Javik, the idea of thousands like him would just annoy me. Thousands of jerka**es telling me how primitive I am? No thanks.

[DullahansXMark]

M.T.Headed wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Why all the hate for Protheans?

I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, while I like Javik, the idea of thousands like him would just annoy me. Thousands of jerka**es telling me how primitive I am? No thanks.

This.

Apparently, in order to ascend beyond primitiveness, we have to let the Reapers win.

[Zaixx]

Too many protheans, i think a prothean soldier and sential is enough ....

[Father Giliam]

DullahansXMark wrote...
How did I defeat my own logic? We have Furies that do the EXACT SAME THING that Protheans do, so why would we waste resources cloning something we can already train up?

And they wouldn't have cloned that animal if there was something already like it. And you really think Krogans don't already ride around in vehicles? They prefer awesomesaurus rexes, obviously. They're better with them than they are in a vehicle. More effective soldier = better war effort.

Ill tell you how: Your logic is, if theres something that can already do it, why create more of it, exluding the fact that a higher number of whatever it is will obviously benefit the effort.

As such, can you seriously say that at that day and age, that there wasnt a single vehicle that couldnt do exactly what they do? The chances are slim to none. The most likely reason why they cloned them was because theyre easier to produce, and they are most likely easier to handle for a Krogan. However, this does not change the fact they do the same thing as another.

Honestly I cant see how youre still trying to argue. Youre talking about helping the war effort, yet you argue against the fact that producing more soldiers is a waste of resources. Let me ask you this question, If you had to choose between 2 Krogans vs 1 Krogan riding one of them, which would you choose? If you chose the latter, you dont know whats effective. Sure, the single Krogan is now more effective on an individual basis, but hes alone. 2 Krogans will be much more effective with the ability to work together.

Also, lore wise, Protheans are more potent biotics then a Fury. And now that I noticed it, youre arguing this based off of them both using Dark channel. This is defeated by the fact that many powers are shared among different classes.


If you want my honest opinion, I wouldnt expect cloning them to happen lore-wise, as I highly doubt Javik would allow it. If it was done in secret and he found out, hed likely go on a rampage.

Modifié par Father Giliam, 11 août 2012 - 04:55 .

[SavagelyEpic]

Father Giliam wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...
How did I defeat my own logic? We have Furies that do the EXACT SAME THING that Protheans do, so why would we waste resources cloning something we can already train up?

And they wouldn't have cloned that animal if there was something already like it. And you really think Krogans don't already ride around in vehicles? They prefer awesomesaurus rexes, obviously. They're better with them than they are in a vehicle. More effective soldier = better war effort.

Ill tell you how: Your logic is, if theres something that can already do it, why create more of it, exluding the fact that a higher number of whatever it is will obviously benefit the effort.

As such, can you seriously say that at that day and age, that there wasnt a single vehicle that couldnt do exactly what they do? The chances are slim to none. The most likely reason why they cloned them was because theyre easier to produce, and they are most likely easier to handle for a Krogan. However, this does not change the fact they do the same thing as another.

Honestly I cant see how youre still trying to argue. Youre talking about helping the war effort, yet you argue against the fact that producing more soldiers is a waste of resources. Let me ask you this question, If you had to choose between 2 Krogans vs 1 Krogan riding one of them, which would you choose? If you chose the latter, you dont know whats effective. Sure, the single Krogan is now more effective on an individual basis, but hes alone. 2 Krogans will be much more effective with the ability to work together.

Also, lore wise, Protheans are more potent biotics then a Fury. And now that I noticed it, youre arguing this based off of them both using Dark channel. This is defeated by the fact that many powers are shared among different classes.


If you want my honest opinion, I wouldnt expect cloning them to happen lore-wise, as I highly doubt Javik would allow it. If it was done in secret and he found out, hed likely go on a rampage.

Worst arguement I've ever heard. Really? Producing more soldiers is not a waste of resources, wasting an incredibly high amount of resources to produce a small amount of soldiers who are only equally or minimally more effective than existing soldiers which can be trained and produced at a much higher rate is a goddamn huge waste of resources.

[DullahansXMark]

Father Giliam wrote...

Ill tell you how: Your logic is, if theres something that can already do it, why create more of it, exluding the fact that a higher number of whatever it is will obviously benefit the effort.

As such, can you seriously say that at that day and age, that there wasnt a single vehicle that couldnt do exactly what they do? The chances are slim to none. The most likely reason why they cloned them was because theyre easier to produce, and they are most likely easier to handle for a Krogan. However, this does not change the fact they do the same thing as another.

Honestly I cant see how youre still trying to argue. Youre talking about helping the war effort, yet you argue against the fact that producing more soldiers is a waste of resources. Let me ask you this question, If you had to choose between 2 Krogans vs 1 Krogan riding one of them, which would you choose? If you chose the latter, you dont know whats effective. Sure, the single Krogan is now more effective on an individual basis, but hes alone. 2 Krogans will be much more effective with the ability to work together.

Also, lore wise, Protheans are more potent biotics then a Fury. And now that I noticed it, youre arguing this based off of them both using Dark channel. This is defeated by the fact that many powers are shared among different classes.


If you want my honest opinion, I wouldnt expect cloning them to happen lore-wise, as I highly doubt Javik would allow it. If it was done in secret and he found out, hed likely go on a rampage.

The Protheans had their chance to fight, and they lost. Why would we reincarnate the losers? If anything we should focus our efforts into de-indoctrinating Reaper forces so we could finally get a playable Reaper class (we have Geth and Cerberus, why not?), because THEY'RE the winning side. Plus, gaining one soldier and making them lose one is a very promising prospect compared to extensive cloning JUST to get what we basically have: more soldiers.

And I'd rather ride that thing than bring my buddy into war with me. But that's just me.

[DullahansXMark]

SavagelyEpic wrote...


Worst arguement I've ever heard. Really? Producing more soldiers is not a waste of resources, wasting an incredibly high amount of resources to produce a small amount of soldiers who are only equally or minimally more effective than existing soldiers which can be trained and produced at a much higher rate is a goddamn huge waste of resources.

About damn time I saw you again, dude.

[Father Giliam]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Worst arguement I've ever heard. Really? Producing more soldiers is not a waste of resources, wasting an incredibly high amount of resources to produce a small amount of soldiers who are only equally or minimally more effective than existing soldiers which can be trained and produced at a much higher rate is a goddamn huge waste of resources.

Telling me a natural born biotic is harder to produce compared to N7 ranked biotic human? Not sure if serious. The N7s are trained in battle for years, time that obviously isnt available.

The Protheans had their chance to fight, and they lost. Why would we reincarnate the losers? 

Current Cycles fight pushed to near extinction: Matter of Months.

Protheans: ~300 Years.

Modifié par Father Giliam, 11 août 2012 - 05:05 .

[StrawHatMoose]

Pretty sure soldiers and infiltrators aren't supposed to have biotic powers (lift and cluster nades are classed as biotic powers), I don't mind the other classes. But tell me how this channel burst works.... and why the vanguard has no combat powers?

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

What I find truly confounding about anti-nerfers as evidenced above...

*uses lore arguement*

*fails*

"Oh but why waste time cloning in war lol, they're just soldiers!"

*Presents evidence of Salarians cloning dinosaurs for Krogans to ride*

"Oh but they are just animals, they're resources, blah,blah."

Wait. Just animals? So a bunch of ride-able dinosaurs are more tactically important & valuable then HIGHLY INTELLIGENT BIOTICS?! Let alone the chance to bring back an extinct race which
EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE PRACTITIONER OF SCIENCE would not even think twice about doing! lol defeat your own fallacious logic much?


I don't get it? Protheans would be fun to play as, add variety other than re-used pre-existing races, and can be lore-friendly.


Any argument against that is... disturbing. What are you? A stubborn donkey? The Anti-Prothean people have ZERO legitimate reasons for opposing them other than the fact that they just personally don't like Protheans. That is not a justifiable argument as it pertains to your opinions exclusively. It's selfish. Like-wise Why the **** would I want another Turian with new abilities? Boring. This works both ways. You guys have yet to make any point that adding Protheans would be bad.


They can be worked in while maintaing lore.

They make tactical sense.

They add variety.

Prothean models already exist so implementing them are no issue.

Fun!



Well, will ya look at that!

[SavagelyEpic]

Father Giliam wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Worst arguement I've ever heard. Really? Producing more soldiers is not a waste of resources, wasting an incredibly high amount of resources to produce a small amount of soldiers who are only equally or minimally more effective than existing soldiers which can be trained and produced at a much higher rate is a goddamn huge waste of resources.

Telling me a natural born biotic is harder to produce compared to N7 ranked biotic human? Not sure if serious. The N7s are trained in battle for years, time that obviously isnt available.

LOL

Mass-reproducing members of a long-extinct race is easier than training human biotic soldiers. Yep. Okay then.

"Natural born" biotics encompass every other Council race, which also invalidates your arguement. You want to be picky and only employ 'natural' biotics? Yes, instead of any number of skilled allied biotic combatants, we should blow billions of credits trying to clone a dead-as-dead-can-be species.

You've already lost all credibility. You're obviously trolling.

[Father Giliam]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

LOL

Mass-reproducing members of a long-extinct race is easier than training human biotic soldiers. Yep. Okay then.

"Natural born" biotics encompass every other Council race, which also invalidates your arguement. You want to be picky and only employ 'natural' biotics? Yes, instead of any number of skilled allied biotic combatants, we should blow billions of credits trying to clone a dead-as-dead-can-be species.

You've already lost all credibility. You're obviously trolling.

I dont think you understand how cloning works. It can produce them at a mature stage, with the abilities of a soldier that would of needed to have been trained for years, while this happens in a much shoter time frame. Sure, if we put it up versues the already trained soldiers, of course it would be favourable to use the resources elsewere. But this isnt what im arguing. Im arguing its quite within the possiblity of them doing so (though it would definatly not be on a mass production) if they wanted. 

He argued it would be counter productive compared to an animal that increases the effectiveness of a single soldier. In my eyes I would much rather have 2 soldiers compared to a bit more effective single soldier. Also there was somewhat of a semantics argument that went unnoticed comparing a soldier to a living weapon.

Modifié par Father Giliam, 11 août 2012 - 05:12 .

[DullahansXMark]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

What I find truly confounding about anti-nerfers as evidenced above...

*uses lore arguement*

*fails*

"Oh but why waste time cloning in war lol, they're just soldiers!"

*Presents evidence of Salarians cloning dinosaurs for Krogans to ride*

"Oh but they are just animals, they're resources, blah,blah."

Wait. Just animals? So a bunch of ride-able dinosaurs are more tactically important & valuable then HIGHLY INTELLIGENT BIOTICS?! Let alone the chance to bring back an extinct race which
EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE PRACTITIONER OF SCIENCE would not even think twice about doing! lol defeat your own fallacious logic much?


I don't get it? Protheans would be fun to play as, add variety other than re-used pre-existing races, and can be lore-friendly.


Any argument against that is... disturbing. What are you? A stubborn donkey? The Anti-Prothean people have ZERO legitimate reasons for opposing them other than the fact that they just personally don't like Protheans. That is not a justifiable argument as it pertains to your opinions exclusively. It's selfish. Like-wise Why the **** would I want another Turian with new abilities? Boring. This works both ways. You guys have yet to make any point that adding Protheans would be bad.


They can be worked in while maintaing lore.

They make tactical sense.

They add variety.

Prothean models already exist so implementing them are no issue.

Fun!



Well, will ya look at that!

At least you make a good argument. Thing is though, as much as I really wouldn't mind Prothean characters (honestly; though I would probably never play as one that much because I honestly just don't like Protheans), I'm not every anti-Prothean advocate out there. If BW does NOT add Protheans to the multiplayer, you have some disappointed fans; on the other hand, if you do, there ARE actually people who will ragequit this game, and a smaller playerbase is much less preferable than a bigger playerbase.

Let alone the chance to bring back an extinct race which
EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE PRACTITIONER OF SCIENCE would not even think twice about doing!

But before I go, I just wanna defeat this point with some troll logic:

lol, if you think scientists support Prothean revival, just show them Javik. A few mentions of primitives with that... accent and those scientists will be derailed and uninterested.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Xaijin wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

No protheans. They're dead. The end. Get over it.

Oh hi! I'm a Rachni LOL.


I was considered "extinct" during the Prothean Empire, the current cycle, ME1, ME2, and ME3. LOL Yet we keep coming back to life nao k?


u mad we no die bro? lol



Also...



Protheans Extinct... ME1

Huskified Protheans(Collectors) In ME2

Javik in ME3

Collectors mention in codex in ME3



Yeah, lore... keeping using that fallacious arguement! 

There's nothing fallacious about it. Collectors aren't protheans as the game rather blatantly points out what with Javik's vengeance speech and it's pretty cool you completly coveniently ignore EDI's explanantion as to what happened. Collectors are what's left, which is pretty mucht he entire point of Javik's arc in ME3.

Fallacious seems to be on your end.

Dead, gone, buh bi, thanks for playing.

And you utterly fail to defeat any of my points. Keep trying! 


Collectors ARE Protheans. Yes they are not EXACTLY prothean but, well you know... just look at husks, Marauders, Banshees, Cannibals, Ravagers, Brutes... Collectors are Protheans. You fail.

And you completely miss the point I made. So I will repeat.

ME1 - Protheans extinct

ME2 - Still extinct BUT presence of Prothean remnants - Collectors

ME3 - Oh hey! We found a stasis pod on Eden Prime that contains a live Prothean, yay!


Understand? 


Oh and again... Hi I'm a Rachni, lol I'm back... AGAIN! 

[Aiiro]

If bioware says it's okay, then fine. They make the lore/game after all.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

What I find truly confounding about anti-nerfers as evidenced above...

*uses lore arguement*

*fails*

"Oh but why waste time cloning in war lol, they're just soldiers!"

*Presents evidence of Salarians cloning dinosaurs for Krogans to ride*

"Oh but they are just animals, they're resources, blah,blah."

Wait. Just animals? So a bunch of ride-able dinosaurs are more tactically important & valuable then HIGHLY INTELLIGENT BIOTICS?! Let alone the chance to bring back an extinct race which
EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE PRACTITIONER OF SCIENCE would not even think twice about doing! lol defeat your own fallacious logic much?


I don't get it? Protheans would be fun to play as, add variety other than re-used pre-existing races, and can be lore-friendly.


Any argument against that is... disturbing. What are you? A stubborn donkey? The Anti-Prothean people have ZERO legitimate reasons for opposing them other than the fact that they just personally don't like Protheans. That is not a justifiable argument as it pertains to your opinions exclusively. It's selfish. Like-wise Why the **** would I want another Turian with new abilities? Boring. This works both ways. You guys have yet to make any point that adding Protheans would be bad.


They can be worked in while maintaing lore.

They make tactical sense.

They add variety.

Prothean models already exist so implementing them are no issue.

Fun!



Well, will ya look at that!

At least you make a good argument. Thing is though, as much as I really wouldn't mind Prothean characters (honestly; though I would probably never play as one that much because I honestly just don't like Protheans), I'm not every anti-Prothean advocate out there. If BW does NOT add Protheans to the multiplayer, you have some disappointed fans; on the other hand, if you do, there ARE actually people who will ragequit this game, and a smaller playerbase is much less preferable than a bigger playerbase.

Let alone the chance to bring back an extinct race which
EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE PRACTITIONER OF SCIENCE would not even think twice about doing!

But before I go, I just wanna defeat this point with some troll logic:

lol, if you think scientists support Prothean revival, just show them Javik. A few mentions of primitives with that... accent and those scientists will be derailed and uninterested.

Funny.



But even that is not true(yes I know you said troll logic)


Basing the entire Prothean race on Javik is fallacious.



Imagine if you will, Jack, subject Zero was the last human. Some alien species finds her in stasis... Is it correct for them to assume ALL humans act like Jack? No. The same applies for Javik & the Protheans.

[rdnanez]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

[Father Giliam]

Aiiro wrote...

If bioware says it's okay, then fine. They make the lore/game after all.

Reminds me of the guy who somehow came up with what Talis sweat would taste/smell like and someone told a Bioware dev on twitter, to which the dev replied saying it tasted like (insert something that I forget here) and said its now canon since he said it 

[rdnanez]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

this

[DullahansXMark]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...


Funny.



But even that is not true(yes I know you said troll logic)


Basing the entire Prothean race on Javik is fallacious.



Imagine if you will, Jack, subject Zero was the last human. Some alien species finds her in stasis... Is it correct for them to assume ALL humans act like Jack? No. The same applies for Javik & the Protheans.

Racism works in mysterious ways, my friend.

And watch what would happen when Jack started mouthing off at the new aliens. They'd be all like

You humans are all racist!

[rdnanez]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

[Father Giliam]

DullahansXMark wrote...

You humans are all racist!

Was waiting for someone to post this for some reason.

[Infinitio]

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?

[Deadlysyns]

No Female protheans you can't Clone a Female from a Male WTF kind of logic is that oh i have a male i will make an exact physical copy that is Female