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All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), Jedore wanted a Krogan clone army.

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No Female protheans you can't Clone a Female from a Male WTF kind of logic is that oh i have a male i will make an exact physical copy that is Female


Yep, there we go. I was wondering before why I thought female Protheans would be so tacky. There it is.

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Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

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No Female protheans you can't Clone a Female from a Male WTF kind of logic is that oh i have a male i will make an exact physical copy that is Female


Yep, there we go. I was wondering before why I thought female Protheans would be so tacky. There it is.

I didn't bother looking to see if someone noticed that Female Protheans would be impossible with only Male Dna. Too lazy but i am guessing no one did 

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Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Whom I will add... was very frowned upon.

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Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Actually I was thinking of Jedore in ME2, but both work.

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I didn't bother looking to see if someone noticed that Female Protheans would be impossible with only Male Dna. Too lazy but i am guessing no one did 


Well, it most certainly IS possible, but... why?

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Whom I will add... was very frowned upon.

But cloning Protheans might Benefit the Galaxy Cloning Krogans to make killing machines = Evil

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I didn't bother looking to see if someone noticed that Female Protheans would be impossible with only Male Dna. Too lazy but i am guessing no one did 


Well, it most certainly IS possible, but... why?

I doubt it you would have to Rewrite the Genetic code of the DNA and the process would take a very long time and likely Cost Javik a lot of DNA Samples i feel getting one from him might be tough 

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...
I didn't bother looking to see if someone noticed that Female Protheans would be impossible with only Male Dna. Too lazy but i am guessing no one did 


Well, it most certainly IS possible, but... why?


Although I dont want to start it up again, this is what I was trying to argue about. It can be done, but I just didnt agree with your reason on why they wouldnt do so, as I stated before, the chances of it happening are still low if not non-existant.

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Deadlysyns wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...
I didn't bother looking to see if someone noticed that Female Protheans would be impossible with only Male Dna. Too lazy but i am guessing no one did 


Well, it most certainly IS possible, but... why?

I doubt it you would have to Rewrite the Genetic code of the DNA and the process would take a very long time and likely Cost Javik a lot of DNA Samples i feel getting one from him might be tough 


What I'm saying is that if you put enough work into it, you could make the males females, THEN use the DNA to make them, but there's no point in doing that. You're trying to raise an army, not a co-ed Prothean public school.

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Whom I will add... was very frowned upon.


Its late so I forgot about that. I don't remember Grunt being a clone. I know he was genetically engineered but that doesnt neccesarily mean he was a clone. IE you can take a fertalized egg and then change the dna before it becomes a full embryo which is different from cloning. Also technically using genetic engineering you could possibly change the DNA of a male to a female at this stage. (The thing is it would takes years to map and fully document prothean DNA to the extent neccesary to do that unless they got the knowledge elsewhere.)

Plus the animals are a bit different to a species like the protheans (from a good guy perspective). Some people irl arn't against the idea of say cloning cows to make more meat but are highly against cloning a person. It may be a similar situation in the galaxy where it was partially ok (well the salarians f'd up a lot of times in regards to Krogans and a lot of races hate what they did so they may not have been "on board" with that project either) but cloning a Prothean wouldnt be ok.

(Evil guys could clone Protheans all they want, cause they are evil and morals don't matter.)

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Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.



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Deadlysyns wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Whom I will add... was very frowned upon.

But cloning Protheans might Benefit the Galaxy Cloning Krogans to make killing machines = Evil


Considering the Krogans (if I remember correctly from the game) are basically one of the most important races in the fight against the reapers I think cloning Krogan killing machines isn't evil if they are for fighting reapers. (I'm pretty sure it was stated in the game that the Krogans were basically the only ones really putting up a fight and pushing the reapers back? Feel free to correct me.)

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Ziguehart wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

Rogue reapers kill lore. So does an intelligent non reaper killing a Reaper no more LORE excuses give me a Four eyed Bug now 

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Infinitio wrote...
Its late so I forgot about that. I don't remember Grunt being a clone. I know he was genetically engineered but that doesnt neccesarily mean he was a clone. IE you can take a fertalized egg and then change the dna before it becomes a full embryo which is different from cloning. Also technically using genetic engineering you could possibly change the DNA of a male to a female at this stage. (The thing is it would takes years to map and fully document prothean DNA to the extent neccesary to do that unless they got the knowledge elsewhere.)

Plus the animals are a bit different to a species like the protheans (from a good guy perspective). Some people irl arn't against the idea of say cloning cows to make more meat but are highly against cloning a person. It may be a similar situation in the galaxy where it was partially ok (well the salarians f'd up a lot of times in regards to Krogans and a lot of races hate what they did so they may not have been "on board" with that project either) but cloning a Prothean wouldnt be ok.

(Evil guys could clone Protheans all they want, cause they are evil and morals don't matter.)


He was a clone as they used Krogan DNA to make him. Cloning is the process of taking DNA and producing an identical lifeform. However, in Grunts case (also as in Star Wars) the clones were enhanced so that they would mature at a much quicker rate, or be outright matured when created. Grunt is different then from a straight up clone, which must mature at a natural rate, but hes still is one.

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Infinitio wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Father Giliam wrote...

Infinitio wrote...

All I have to say is... cloning? If cloning was that easy the Krogans would have just cloned themselves and not cared so much that they could not have anymore babies and were a dieing race...

It seems pretty obvious to me that cloning is either not possible or very frowned upon in the ME universe?


Well, as I pointed out earlier, the Salarians brought back an extinct species as war animals for Krogan to ride into battle. Also, Grunt is a "clone" (genetically engineered Krogan), and I forget what it was, but there was the person trying to clone himself a Krogan army.

Saren in ME1


Whom I will add... was very frowned upon.

But cloning Protheans might Benefit the Galaxy Cloning Krogans to make killing machines = Evil


Considering the Krogans (if I remember correctly from the game) are basically one of the most important races in the fight against the reapers I think cloning Krogan killing machines isn't evil if they are for fighting reapers. (I'm pretty sure it was stated in the game that the Krogans were basically the only ones really putting up a fight and pushing the reapers back? Feel free to correct me.)

I think it was stated they had yet to see a reaper other then Scouting parties. But everytime Krogans have been cloned it was for Nefarious reasons 

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For the people who don't care about lore: why do you care about Protheans?

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I think it was stated they had yet to see a reaper other then Scouting parties. But everytime Krogans have been cloned it was for Nefarious reasons 


On Tuchunka yes, they were mainly fighting scouting parties. On Palaven the Krogans + Turians were only able to stop the reaper advance, but were not able to push them back. Regardless the Krogan were a major assest in the war effort.

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Really? Refreshed the page 3-4 times and my post didnt pop up. :| Darn double post.

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Why all the hate for Protheans?

i like how you ask that with that avatar picture...

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Father Giliam wrote...

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LOL

Mass-reproducing members of a long-extinct race is easier than training human biotic soldiers. Yep. Okay then.

"Natural born" biotics encompass every other Council race, which also invalidates your arguement. You want to be picky and only employ 'natural' biotics? Yes, instead of any number of skilled allied biotic combatants, we should blow billions of credits trying to clone a dead-as-dead-can-be species.

You've already lost all credibility. You're obviously trolling.


I dont think you understand how cloning works. It can produce them at a mature stage, with the abilities of a soldier that would of needed to have been trained for years, while this happens in a much shoter time frame. Sure, if we put it up versues the already trained soldiers, of course it would be favourable to use the resources elsewere. But this isnt what im arguing. Im arguing its quite within the possiblity of them doing so (though it would definatly not be on a mass production) if they wanted. 

He argued it would be counter productive compared to an animal that increases the effectiveness of a single soldier. In my Eyes I would much rather have 2 soldiers compared to a bit more effective single soldier.



...There is just so many things wrong with this post I'd never be able to list them all.

But first off, it's readily apparent that everything you know of cloning came from Star Wars. No. That's not how cloning works. It's definitely not how it works in real life and there's nothing to suggest that's the way it works in Mass Effect, considering the only major technological breakthrough between now and then is the onset of Mass Effect technology. Even in Star Wars, it took them TEN YEARS- NOT considering the decades it would've taken to bring all the infrastructure needed to assemble such an army.

And human rights (? Sentient rights?) considerations aside, it is not "quite" within the possibility of the Alliance or any other Council race of doing so. Could it be possible? If it were peacetime, and they pooled their resources and the best of their minds, possibly. As it is in the circumstances of the Reaper invasion? Maybe not outright impossible, but so far out of the realm of possibility it might as well be so. They barely had the resources to complete the Crucible, what makes you think they're all miracle-workers all of a sudden? This kind of science is not easy. You don't just snap your fingers and ressurect a dead race. And if they had decided to abandon the Crucible project and pool the entire galaxy's last and final hope into bringing back the Protheans? Well, all stupidity of such a course of action aside, what's to even guarantee their loyalty? Why would the newly-created Protheans fight for us? Javik did, but he's a real Prothean. All these guys would have is Prothean DNA, nothing else. They would not be Prothean beyond that. No memories, no society, no loyalties. Especially: No unique Prothean combatant abilities or powers that would set them apart or above any currently existing soldier.

But all those arguements are pointless when you bring the major deciding factor into the equation: For the amount of resources they could use to recreate Prothean soldiers, you could train a higher number of human/allied biotics. There is no sane reason for any of the Council governments, especially not under the circumstances, to waste resources on bringing back the Protheans no matter how badly their scientists want to or how cool people would think it would be. Sure it might be possible, but that's a non-consideration.

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I never wanted protheans in MP

Javik should be unique

let the idea die like the rest of his race did

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Father Giliam wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...
I think it was stated they had yet to see a reaper other then Scouting parties. But everytime Krogans have been cloned it was for Nefarious reasons 


On Tuchunka yes, they were mainly fighting scouting parties. On Palaven the Krogans + Turians were only able to stop the reaper advance, but were not able to push them back. Regardless the Krogan were a major assest in the war effort.

Still Krogan are powerful but Protheans could kill them ask Javik

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I never wanted protheans in MP

Javik should be unique

let the idea die like the rest of his race did


this...left me wheezing , im laughing so hard...just....woooow

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