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1. The stasis pods on Ilos only lasted a few centuries, and the pods on Eden Prime were supposed to open automatically after the reapers left. Any other facilities would presumably had been set up the same. Not to mention to keep Javik alive, all power in the facility had to be re-routed to his pod alone.
2. Reapers got the Prothean Empire map from the citadel. And systematically visited every spot on it.
3. By that logic there should have been survivors from the cycle before the protheans around back then too. Besides, having collectors out and about at all times increases the risk that their identity as husks might be revealed.
4. The VI on Ilos says that when the reapers left, all remaining indoctrinated protheans not made into collectors died of either starvation or exposure. And the protheans were actually one of many species during their cycle, they were simply the dominant and all species that served them were also called prothean after they 'joined' the empire. Besides, the collector base itself is massive and can hold untold number of inhabitants.
5. See 1, and ask yourself if you were a prothean would you stasis yourself for 50,000 years to go through the hell you already did on the off chance the next cycle managed to do what no other cycle had done before? IE - not lose control of the catalyst. I mean the VI on Thessia activates, notices the reapers, goes "you all are ****ed" and tries to deactivate itself.
6. Because if they had, it'd probably in ruins with the rest of the Batarian hegemony
7. Because when Saran cloned the krogan, he needed reaper help to do it, and when Okeer did it, all but the one he made with Collector tech were insane, and even then he said it took as much luck as science and couldn't be replicated. And that was for a living sapient species. Imagine how much more difficult it would be for an extinct one.

There's my simple attempt.


1. Presumably. Key word. There is no solid confirmation that any other stasis facilities had the same system of operation as the Eden Prime facility. And even if they did, why would that doom them to fail? The system on Eden Prime was capable of doing its job and would provide power enough to sustain thousands of Protheans in stasis. This wasn't a "Let's see if this works" situation, it was a "F*ck, if this doesn't work, our entire race will be wiped out" situation. The Protheans had the stasis pods perfectly tailored to sustain life for the amount of time needed and had planned out to ensure that they would be able to rise up and defeat the Reapers in the next cycle. What went wrong? Indoctrination. Indoctrinated agents revealed the facility and the Reapers launched an attack on it, which was not part of the plan the Protheans had created. Victory made the decision to draw power from the pods to initiate a neutron purge to kill off the Reaper invaders, dropping the power level significantly. If there was no need for a neutron purge, the Protheans would have made it out of stasis and Javik would not be alone. The idea of every single facility across the galaxy being discovered and sabotaged is absurd, especially when the Reapers were confident enough with their work that they didn't even bother to check for survivors, leaving Javik alive.
2. That wasn't my point. My point was that we have not been given any layout of the Prothean Empire's territory. Without that, we have no idea how much of the galaxy they conquered. However, we can assume that it was massive, expanding across the entire galaxy possibly, seeing as Javik knew about the Rachni and this cycle only discovered them by mistake and then refused to venture into unfamiliar relays anymore. If the Protheans weren't scared of encountering new foes beyond the relays, they likely expanded their reach very far and it is entirely possible that there are stasis facilities in uncharted parts of space that could be introduced in many ways (some people have a Raloi-esque freakout and try activating relays to flee from the Reapers, only to discover Prothean stasis pods or something like that).
3. Though we can't say with complete certainty, it seems that past cycles weren't exactly prepared for the Reaper threat. The only cycles with an advantage were the Protheans' one and ours, as they had a MASSIVE empire and we had the knowledge of them coming. Without something to bide the time, most cycles wouldn't have a great chance at building and utilizing a stasis facility before being found and processed into a Reaper. And it seems like most of them weren't as much concerned with self-preservation as much as they were with perfecting the Crucible. As for the Collectors, I was referring to them being added as MP enemies, as there is no reliable proof that they're all gone. But on a lore perspective, I don't think that Reapers really give 3 f*cks about being found out once they're invading. Sovereign wasn't exactly subtle when you spoke to him and the Reapers hadn't even mobilized yet. They don't need the element of surprise. What good will it do you to learn that giant space monsters are coming to rape reap all intelligent life ahead of time if you don't have the tools to defend yourself?
4. While I recall that Vigil was referring to the Protheans that went to alter the Keeper/Citadel signal, it doesn't matter what Vigil said about the rest of the Protheans because he was wrong. Saying that ALL Protheans died of starvation if they weren't huskified is inaccurate because Javik survived, so there is not a confirmed verdict on their fate. And besides, Javik said himself that they all lost connection to each other and no one knew each other's fates, which makes it nearly impossible for Vigil to truly know about the fate of each and every last Prothean. As for the Collectors, being the dominant species of the Protheans means that they're the most common, meaning they have the largest numbers and therefore would make up a larger number than the other species of their race. Being the largest percentage of an empire that likely expands across the entire GALAXY results in a massive population of that species, a number that would greatly exceed the space of the Collector Base, even with all of those wasted on the Prothean Reaper.
5. I don't even see how this relates to the question, but I'll just go with it: The stasis pods were not intended to house the Protheans for 50,000 years. If they were, they would've just dropped them at the next Reaper invasion, like Javik. The previous cycles did not activate the Crucible, they either couldn't build it or could not activate it, if they had then the Reapers would be gone or pacified.
6. That is not a solid answer, probably does not confirm anything and you're making quite a bold assumption without any evidence to back it up. Either form an argument seriously or don't form one at all.
7. Yeah, cloning an extinct species must be really tough *Cough*Kakliosaur*Cough*. But the Protheans aren't extinct, Javik is alive. There isn't really much reason for him to refuse; he's being given a chance to revive his race to defeat the Reapers, his original goal. It wouldn't ruin his character concept; it would just alter it to a degree.

As I suspected, none of your answers hold up completely. The questions still stand if anyone wants to take another stab at it.

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what is this i dont even

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Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.



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RasenRebirth wrote...

My idea for a DLC Resurrection DLC brings the Protheans back through Salarian cloning with DNA collected from Ilos. In order to help in the fight and create new weapons for the battle against the reapers. Believing that Prothean warfare could change the tide of battle. TO THOSE THAT SAY NO VOICE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS STOP BEING CHILDISH SAYING NO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE A REASON I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY.


It's really that hard to understand the implications of adding protheans on the MP? Plus, Bioware already gave their answer, it's called particle rifle and fury.

anyway, if you really want to stick with that idea, go with "finding more protheans", cloning only make the idea worse...



edit: A reason? Javik is the last prothean, this is clear in several dialogues, the whole structure of "From Ashes" is based over that fact, from the first dialogue to the last. This mean it's impossible to find more protheans alive? No, this mean they need to change the whole structure of from ashes to add the d*mn protheans, which mean it's expensive and we wil have more polemic in a game that already had enough of it. It's jus not worth, it's better to release the prothean weapon and unique power, which they already did. That's it, you got your prothean, maybe you will have a real prothean on ME4. Maybe the entire game will be about protheans...

 and no, they can't ignore the SP, since both are linked, they can't change that on ME3. If they want to do an independent MP on ME4, okay, f*ck the lore, but on ME3 they are linked...

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 12 août 2012 - 06:05 .


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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, troll, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the protheans are extinct(excluding javik) and should remain so even javik has accepted their extinction you should too

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#181
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Klokos wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Why all the hate for Protheans?


Protheans killed my parents.


mine too!!! d*mn protheans, they will pay!!

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love the intelligent responses from most of those against the idea. they put alot of thought into it...
keatons is the only person who even tried, and while I disagree, he still made some good points.
Gotta agree with most of what father superior said, but then again lore is fickle at best when it comes to the multiplayer aspect.
Guess we'll have to wait and see, they'll have to come up with something if they want people to keep playing and protheans aren't necessarily out of the question.

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LeandroBraz wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

My idea for a DLC Resurrection DLC brings the Protheans back through Salarian cloning with DNA collected from Ilos. In order to help in the fight and create new weapons for the battle against the reapers. Believing that Prothean warfare could change the tide of battle. TO THOSE THAT SAY NO VOICE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS STOP BEING CHILDISH SAYING NO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE A REASON I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY.


It's really that hard to understand the implications of adding protheans on the MP? Plus, Bioware already gave their answer, it's called particle rifle and fury.

anyway, if you really want to stick with that idea, go with "finding more protheans", cloning only make the idea worse...



edit: A reason? Javik is the last prothean, this is clear in several dialogues, the whole structure of "From Ashes" is based over that fact, from the first dialogue to the last. This mean it's impossible to find more protheans alive? No, this mean they need to change the whole structure of from ashes to add the d*mn protheans, which mean it's expensive and we wil have more polemic in a game that already had enough of it. It's jus not worth, it's better to release the prothean weapon and unique power, which they already did. That's it, you got your prothean, maybe you will have a real prothean on ME4. Maybe the entire game will be about protheans...

 and no, they can't ignore the SP, since both are linked, they can't change that on ME3. If they want to do an independent MP on ME4, okay, f*ck the lore, but on ME3 they are linked...

Javik believes he is the last. We know he is the Last from Eden Prime but what about other Colonies that did the same thing and had no malfunction 

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multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another

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RasenRebirth wrote...

Nissun wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

To those that say no I ask why and not just a no.


Because Javik is The Last Prothean.

If more protheans were brought in, he would become Javik That Prothean Guy That Hangs Out With Shepard. All his character story would go to hell, become completely meaningless, a waste of time and money (since I had to pay 10€ extra on release day just for him)

Javik would be the last true Prothean because the rest are clones.



It's not that easy to clone a sapient being, we know that from ME2, on the facility where grunt was made. Plus, there's nothing compelling to justify clonning protheans to help on the war, it's complete nonsense. It would make some MP players happy, but would make the entire fanbase freak out, ME can't handle that, there's enough people dissapointed e disinterested on the franchise, bioware can't just give any excuse to bring protheans to MP.
 The most important is what I said before, it will break the entire from ashes argument, it would require to change completely the DLC.

conclusion: Adding protheans on ME3 MP is impossible, don't matter how hard you want that, or how much you don't care about lore. Bioware can do whatever they want on the next one, but ME3 don't have a way to have protheans on MP...

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SapientesGladio wrote...

multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another


finally a voice of reason!

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SapientesGladio wrote...

multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another

Black ops 2 lol only fan boys will buy that Clone FPS

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Deadlysyns wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

My idea for a DLC Resurrection DLC brings the Protheans back through Salarian cloning with DNA collected from Ilos. In order to help in the fight and create new weapons for the battle against the reapers. Believing that Prothean warfare could change the tide of battle. TO THOSE THAT SAY NO VOICE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS STOP BEING CHILDISH SAYING NO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE A REASON I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY.


It's really that hard to understand the implications of adding protheans on the MP? Plus, Bioware already gave their answer, it's called particle rifle and fury.

anyway, if you really want to stick with that idea, go with "finding more protheans", cloning only make the idea worse...



edit: A reason? Javik is the last prothean, this is clear in several dialogues, the whole structure of "From Ashes" is based over that fact, from the first dialogue to the last. This mean it's impossible to find more protheans alive? No, this mean they need to change the whole structure of from ashes to add the d*mn protheans, which mean it's expensive and we wil have more polemic in a game that already had enough of it. It's jus not worth, it's better to release the prothean weapon and unique power, which they already did. That's it, you got your prothean, maybe you will have a real prothean on ME4. Maybe the entire game will be about protheans...

 and no, they can't ignore the SP, since both are linked, they can't change that on ME3. If they want to do an independent MP on ME4, okay, f*ck the lore, but on ME3 they are linked...

Javik believes he is the last. We know he is the Last from Eden Prime but what about other Colonies that did the same thing and had no malfunction 


It's possible, but if the Alliance find this protheans and put then to fight, Javik and Shepard (and Liara, the Shadow Broker) won't know that? It won't affect the dialogs we have with him, since the entire DLC is about he being the last? More protheans change everything for Javik. Plus, they are very clear about their inttentions with Javik. He barely survived when he was going to the capsule, it wasn't that easy to escape the reapers. One of the possible last dialogues with him, he say he will join his people, his purpose is complete with the end of the war. It's that it's a one time thing for Bioware, they have no inttention of bringing the protheans back from the death... 


I'm not trying to destroy your hopes, I'm being realistic here, there's nothing that make adding protheans to the MP a good idea, ignoring this is foolishing yourself...

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Deadlysyns wrote...

SapientesGladio wrote...

multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another

Black ops 2 lol only fan boys will buy that Clone FPS


Im buying Blk ops 2 solely for zombies hahaha
Rumor is that ****s awesome with modern guns..and aliens 

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LeandroBraz wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

My idea for a DLC Resurrection DLC brings the Protheans back through Salarian cloning with DNA collected from Ilos. In order to help in the fight and create new weapons for the battle against the reapers. Believing that Prothean warfare could change the tide of battle. TO THOSE THAT SAY NO VOICE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS STOP BEING CHILDISH SAYING NO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE A REASON I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY.


It's really that hard to understand the implications of adding protheans on the MP? Plus, Bioware already gave their answer, it's called particle rifle and fury.

anyway, if you really want to stick with that idea, go with "finding more protheans", cloning only make the idea worse...



edit: A reason? Javik is the last prothean, this is clear in several dialogues, the whole structure of "From Ashes" is based over that fact, from the first dialogue to the last. This mean it's impossible to find more protheans alive? No, this mean they need to change the whole structure of from ashes to add the d*mn protheans, which mean it's expensive and we wil have more polemic in a game that already had enough of it. It's jus not worth, it's better to release the prothean weapon and unique power, which they already did. That's it, you got your prothean, maybe you will have a real prothean on ME4. Maybe the entire game will be about protheans...

 and no, they can't ignore the SP, since both are linked, they can't change that on ME3. If they want to do an independent MP on ME4, okay, f*ck the lore, but on ME3 they are linked...

Javik believes he is the last. We know he is the Last from Eden Prime but what about other Colonies that did the same thing and had no malfunction 


It's possible, but if the Alliance find this protheans and put then to fight, Javik and Shepard (and Liara, the Shadow Broker) won't know that? It won't affect the dialogs we have with him, since the entire DLC is about he being the last? More protheans change everything for Javik. Plus, they are very clear about their inttentions with Javik. He barely survived when he was going to the capsule, it wasn't that easy to escape the reapers. One of the possible last dialogues with him, he say he will join his people, his purpose is complete with the end of the war. It's that it's a one time thing for Bioware, they have no inttention of bringing the protheans back from the death... 


I'm not trying to destroy your hopes, I'm being realistic here, there's nothing that make adding protheans to the MP a good idea, ignoring this is foolishing yourself...

The Pods were Damaged also it could be a new Dlc where u have to Take Javik along kind of like how you have to take Liara along in the From Ashes Dlc Mission

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SapientesGladio wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

SapientesGladio wrote...

multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another

Black ops 2 lol only fan boys will buy that Clone FPS


Im buying Blk ops 2 solely for zombies hahaha
Rumor is that ****s awesome with modern guns..and aliens 

Story of Black ops 2 made me hate it. Why jump so far ahead why not just make up your own story right after Black ops 1 

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SapientesGladio wrote...

multiplayer is separate from single player lore, other than the ally boost.

Besides, if bioware wishes to keep up and compete with black ops 2 and borderlands 2

This mass effect "3" needs all it can get.

Anyway who cares, its just a game. Pure fiction, stop whining cause a game says one thing and ppl say another


It's not separated, Bioware was clear that they only added the MP because it fit on the SP plot. They ARE linked, you can wish this is not truth, you can use falacy and nonsense to try to show this isn't truth, but won't change the fact, it's linked, deal with that..

 Protheans have the same power to save the MP as a Turian Infiltrator have, just to give an example, but the Turian infiltrator won't bring problems to Bioware, the protheans will. Which they will choose?

and if it's just a game, why do you care so much about protheans on MP? It's just a skin, maybe a different roll, a different voice, but that's it, just a different butt to stare at. Why do you care so much?

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Deadlysyns wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

My idea for a DLC Resurrection DLC brings the Protheans back through Salarian cloning with DNA collected from Ilos. In order to help in the fight and create new weapons for the battle against the reapers. Believing that Prothean warfare could change the tide of battle. TO THOSE THAT SAY NO VOICE IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS STOP BEING CHILDISH SAYING NO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE A REASON I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY.


It's really that hard to understand the implications of adding protheans on the MP? Plus, Bioware already gave their answer, it's called particle rifle and fury.

anyway, if you really want to stick with that idea, go with "finding more protheans", cloning only make the idea worse...



edit: A reason? Javik is the last prothean, this is clear in several dialogues, the whole structure of "From Ashes" is based over that fact, from the first dialogue to the last. This mean it's impossible to find more protheans alive? No, this mean they need to change the whole structure of from ashes to add the d*mn protheans, which mean it's expensive and we wil have more polemic in a game that already had enough of it. It's jus not worth, it's better to release the prothean weapon and unique power, which they already did. That's it, you got your prothean, maybe you will have a real prothean on ME4. Maybe the entire game will be about protheans...

 and no, they can't ignore the SP, since both are linked, they can't change that on ME3. If they want to do an independent MP on ME4, okay, f*ck the lore, but on ME3 they are linked...

Javik believes he is the last. We know he is the Last from Eden Prime but what about other Colonies that did the same thing and had no malfunction 


It's possible, but if the Alliance find this protheans and put then to fight, Javik and Shepard (and Liara, the Shadow Broker) won't know that? It won't affect the dialogs we have with him, since the entire DLC is about he being the last? More protheans change everything for Javik. Plus, they are very clear about their inttentions with Javik. He barely survived when he was going to the capsule, it wasn't that easy to escape the reapers. One of the possible last dialogues with him, he say he will join his people, his purpose is complete with the end of the war. It's that it's a one time thing for Bioware, they have no inttention of bringing the protheans back from the death... 


I'm not trying to destroy your hopes, I'm being realistic here, there's nothing that make adding protheans to the MP a good idea, ignoring this is foolishing yourself...

The Pods were Damaged also it could be a new Dlc where u have to Take Javik along kind of like how you have to take Liara along in the From Ashes Dlc Mission


A SP DLC could be a solution, but won't happen, as I said, Bioware let clear in form ashes that this was a one time thing. Anyway, this would be the way to follow if they would do that: SP DLC finding this prothean squad, then MP DLC with then on the fight (which the fanbase will hate with all the strenght they have left. I'm telling you, ME can't handle a move like that).

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I will hate if ME4 has no Shepard

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Deadlysyns wrote...

I will hate if ME4 has no Shepard


but it will have no Shepard =)


 Shepard history is the trilogy. The ME universe is a lot larger than Shepard, there's a lot of things they can explore.

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The reason people don't like it is becasue it takes the lore of the third game and throws in out the airlock. The protheans were extinct for 50,000 years, the fact we found 1 alive was downright almost bad writing. Now throw in an entire unseen horde of them running around and you take javik's unique characterization and backstory and dismantle it completely. He is no longer a lone survivor avenging his race in a world he doesn't understand, he's just the dumb guy who joined shepard and gave up too early.

It's like finding out shepard not only had a sibiling, but their was an entire extended family of him, clan shepard, all just as super awesome as he is. Or in the sole survivor story finding out that everyone of shepards old squad was still alive and kicking. It takes the special circumstances of the character and destroys it.

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LeandroBraz wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

I will hate if ME4 has no Shepard


but it will have no Shepard =)


 Shepard history is the trilogy. The ME universe is a lot larger than Shepard, there's a lot of things they can explore.

Shepard is Mass effect thats like taking Drake out of Uncharted 

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Trikx_AD wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.


Damn, I'm out of gifs to put in here

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OP ...... no

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I actually like most of the idea you got in there, except the clonning part. Even if it would be really great work, I believe even the salarians can't manage to clone the protheans in just what.. 3 years since the discovery of Ilos? Even if they would clone Javik (and I thought about that when I first saw him), because he is alive and has fresh material to colect and such, I think it would take a lot of time to research their genetics and stuff. And since I think (can't remember wuite well) that it never was totally clear that Shepard wiped out all the collectors in ME2, they could come back as enemy yea, just hope no harbinger tho... that "assuming control", "bioatacks will tear you apart" stuff is so tiring xD

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Boss Fight
Fight a huge enemy
from the faction, Havester for reapers, Oculus if they ever do
collectors, A-61 Gunship for cerberus, Geth Colossus for geth.


But this is something that I was specially thinking and even talking about with my friend that plays with me. A special wave in which a big unique boss appears and you got to fight it. I think it would be great. (and it's great to see that it's not just me who wanted that /o/)

I see lots of people rejected right away without even caring to say anything, I think that if its just to post something like that it's better not to post at all.
You got the time to think it over and write it here to show everybody, congrats on that, even if bioware wouldn't listen.