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[upinya slayin]

I mean somebdy posted a video showing it takes 13 seconds to take down an atlas on gold and it used to take 6.5
The harrier is superior in pretty much everyway. I'm not saying it isn't good or that it isn't a viable weapon or that i won't use it. I just feel like it isn't naything better then any other assualt rifle at this point. the warm up period makes it annoying to sue on characters that isn't the destroyer since eveyr attack makes you start over and you have to be OOC for a long time to get its full power. The harrier does its full damage (which is more then the typhoon) immediatly and can be burst fired for full effectiveness. the typhoon can't. its the only AR other then the PPR that does this. i'll still use it for fun and its still good enough to use on any difficulty but it doens't feel like its that good anymore. anyone agree?

[Creakazoid]

The Harrier is the better weapon given a means to maintain your ammo supply (accessible ammo boxes, supply pylons, capacity boosts). The initial Burst DPS is much better on the Harrier, which saves the skin of any caster-based (read squishy) class. I still use the Typhoon sometimes on tanky builds like the Destroyer though.

[TMB903]

I use it on destroyer and it's a really fun weapon to use...It's still pretty strong but I use AP IV ammo, AR amp IIII and AR 15% gear with it so I can't say how it is without those...Ol Painless will always hold a place in my heart because it was what I used the first time I beat Platinum

[IndigoVitare]

How long does the Harrier take to bring down an Atlas?

[Kenadian]

I don't really like the Typhoon at I, to be honest. The damage feels underwhelming and it runs through ammo like a fat kid on candy.

[Gockey]

inb4ImmoratalStrifeandotherscomedefendit.

I agree. We know from the math what the damage should be. We can see on paper that it sounds like a solid gun. However, somewhere between the values listed and the actual in game performance, something seems off.

I certainly am not doing 1K dps a lot of the time. I had the Phoon day 1 of the DLC, and I can understand why they wanted to tweak it, I guess. It didn't feel gamebreaking then.

Now it's just too heavy, and I'm better off with the Harrier or the PPR.

[Flambirex]

The Particle Rifle is much, much better than it right now. The first nerf was OK, the second one just messed up the gun too much.

[kmmd60]

Harrier can't kill an Atlas on gold even with full consumable and amp. You need a refill. I played Harrier with Human soldier once; All my bullets can't kill a lone Prime. The purpose of the gun is different. Typhoon can strip shield/barrier/armor quite easily - Best for boss unit.

Pre-nerf it took 6 second to kill an Atlas, now it's 13 second. 13 second from average of 20-30 minute per gold match is barely noticeable, considered that there's slim chance that you're going to lone wolf an Atlas on Gold.

[tMc Tallgeese]

It does seem to have lost some of its original punch, however, it is still an effective weapon. I've always considered the Typhoon to have been the intended weapon of Destroyers as the synergy between the two is one of the best pairings in the game. I won't argue with many of the statistics as I'm not as fluent in the numbers as others.

[Ashen One]

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

[Nelzeben]

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

[quack123]

kmmd60 wrote...

Harrier can't kill an Atlas on gold even with full consumable and amp. You need a refill. I played Harrier with Human soldier once; All my bullets can't kill a lone Prime. The purpose of the gun is different. Typhoon can strip shield/barrier/armor quite easily - Best for boss unit.

Pre-nerf it took 6 second to kill an Atlas, now it's 13 second. 13 second from average of 20-30 minute per gold match is barely noticeable, considered that there's slim chance that you're going to lone wolf an Atlas on Gold.

I lone wolfed atlas' all the time pre nerf.

[Gamemako]

IndigoVitare wrote...

How long does the Harrier take to bring down an Atlas?

This.

It takes around 30 seconds and twice your spare ammo capacity.

[IndigoVitare]

Ashen Earth wrote...

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

Just going to point out that the way the Particle Rifle reloads means it's a lot slower at downing big bosses as you have to constantly wait for it to recharge.

So it's hardly "every way".

[bogsters23]

i loved it before the damage reduction. but now it seems to take forever to kill stuff and it seems it has more recoil that before.  i like the PPR now (LASER) 

[IndigoVitare]

Gamemako wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

How long does the Harrier take to bring down an Atlas?

This.

It takes around 30 seconds and twice your spare ammo capacity.

Clearly the Harrier needs a buff. If 13 seconds is considered bad, then 30 seconds is downright awful. The Harrier must be a useless trash weapon.

[Schachmatt123]

Yes, it is a good weapon now. But good is not enough for an UR weapon.

[KnoxZone1]

Harrier is far superior at killing the mook enemies, but Typhoon is still the go-to option for bosses. You can't go wrong with either.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

 There's nothing to defend, it was only ever really good on the destroyer, but it was nerfed anyway, more than once.. They are still the only class which can really do anything with it. 

[Immortal Strife]

Yes, it's a good gun even post nerf.

[Gamemako]

As a note to everyone here, the gun is buggy as hell and I'm not sure what the mechanics are actually supposed to be. If you want insanely awesome performance out of it, replicate the setup that Sp3c7eR used. Failure to do so may make the gun deal one third (!!!!) of what it could be doing.

[upinya slayin]

IndigoVitare wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

How long does the Harrier take to bring down an Atlas?

This.

It takes around 30 seconds and twice your spare ammo capacity.

Clearly the Harrier needs a buff. If 13 seconds is considered bad, then 30 seconds is downright awful. The Harrier must be a useless trash weapon.

the 13 sedonds only works on the destroyer where he has extra ammo capacity and keeps firing even when shot. any other class would take way more then 13 seconds.

[N7 Whiskey]

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

[Barneyk]

It still does a lot of damage and it is a really good weapon.

I do miss UBER mode as it was before though, but still...

[Ashen One]

IndigoVitare wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

Just going to point out that the way the Particle Rifle reloads means it's a lot slower at downing big bosses as you have to constantly wait for it to recharge.

So it's hardly "every way".

That depends on how you use it. I'm debuffing enemies with proxy mines, and flanking while my gun reloads. If you're retarded, and burn through the whole clip (not that it isn't possible to destroy a Platinum Atlas, the highest HP unit in the game with a single Particle Rifle clip and consumables on a GI/Destroyer) then of course you'll have to wait for the cooldown. The idea is to stop firing before it overheats.

Using a Typhoon, you need to wait for the reload animation to finish before you can continue your offense regardless. You're also more limited in range because of it's ridiculous recoil, (unless you're using stability enhancing equipment) and ****** poor accuracy when fired outside of cover. The Particle Rifle has perfect accuracy, and no recoil.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 10 août 2012 - 05:39 .