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[Gamemako]

upinya slayin wrote...

the 13 sedonds only works on the destroyer where he has extra ammo capacity and keeps firing even when shot. any other class would take way more then 13 seconds.

He is not shot once in either video and he is specced for ROF rather than capacity.

[Lucrece]

Harrier's better against regular mobs -- Typhoon is the best weapon against boss units. People saying the Harrier's better against bosses don't know what they're talking about.

Typhoon/Reegar on a Destroyer is all you need. Granted, the Typhoon will only be used by the Destroyer or Demolisher.

[upinya slayin]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

 There's nothing to defend, it was only ever really good on the destroyer, but it was nerfed anyway, more than once.. They are still the only class which can really do anything with it. 

thats kinda my point.

a gun like the krysea (pre nerf) could be used on any class easiuly and wipe out crowds

the typhoon however
only works good on 1 class
requires you to be OOC
has to warm up and can't be burst fired
is heavy as hell and not accurate at long range

[upinya slayin]

Lucrece wrote...

Harrier's better against regular mobs -- Typhoon is the best weapon against boss units. People saying the Harrier's better against bosses don't know what they're talking about.

Typhoon/Reegar on a Destroyer is all you need. Granted, the Typhoon will only be used by the Destroyer or Demolisher.

i could agree the harrier isn't an ideal boss gun. the claymore or pirhanna are awesome boss guns. probably the best in the game. the typhoon might be the best boss AR but for its weight it should be able to be the only weapon you need for a agme. you can have a harrier and reegaer with teh same cooldown for that matter

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

 the gun is heavy as all heck, which would cut into the time marksman is available, plus a turian soldier would have to be out of cover too long for the gun to ramp up, they don't have the stagger protection or the defenses of the destroyer to withstand that.

[upinya slayin]

Chriss5688 wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

Just going to point out that the way the Particle Rifle reloads means it's a lot slower at downing big bosses as you have to constantly wait for it to recharge.

So it's hardly "every way".

I believe I've seen Ashen say he managed to kill an Atlas with the PPR using one clip on a GI specced for Duration on TC and Speed & Vision instead of Damage on Hunter Mode... don't underestimate it.

Ashen is a good player i'd value his opinion more then people i haven't seen play before. Also i ahven't used the PPR yet since the buff but i've seen people wipe out crowds with it. also i did do an all PPR game pre buff and with fire focused on bosses they went down in seconds.

[upinya slayin]

Gamemako wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

the 13 sedonds only works on the destroyer where he has extra ammo capacity and keeps firing even when shot. any other class would take way more then 13 seconds.

He is not shot once in either video and he is specced for ROF rather than capacity.

getting shot doens't effect the destroyer. he still maintains fire when other classes don't i find my self reamping it up before using soft cover in order to use it effectively on other classes.

[IndigoVitare]

Chriss5688 wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

Just going to point out that the way the Particle Rifle reloads means it's a lot slower at downing big bosses as you have to constantly wait for it to recharge.

So it's hardly "every way".

I believe I've seen Ashen say he managed to kill an Atlas with the PPR using one clip on a GI specced for Duration on TC and Speed & Vision instead of Damage on Hunter Mode... don't underestimate it.

I don't. I like the Particle Rifle. But the idea that the Particle Rifle is better than the Typhoon in every possible way is ludicrous.

[N7 Whiskey]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

 the gun is heavy as all heck, which would cut into the time marksman is available, plus a turian soldier would have to be out of cover too long for the gun to ramp up, they don't have the stagger protection or the defenses of the destroyer to withstand that.

So does being shot make you have to re-rev up the Typhoon then?  Turian Soldier with racial weapon stability & headshot damage, Marksman accuracy & headshot damage could allow you to use it from much further away than other classes.  I use Turians a lot and have no issues staying out of cover long enough to dump a couple Revenant clips into enemies, but I don't have any experience with Typhoon so maybe it's a different animal altogether.

[Nelzeben]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

Unless you're fighting Geth. Or an Atlas fires a missile. Or a Brute charges at you. That's just the problem - without stun-immunity, the weapon is, as I said, tricky to use. (Note that I didn't say "impossible".)

It's also so heavy that you need a class that doesn't use its powers too much or not at all, in which case you can carry a sidearm.

I think there are better alternatives.

Edit: Spelling. <_<

Modifié par Nelzeben, 10 août 2012 - 05:49 .

[Mgamerz]

How long does a harrier take to kill an atlas?
You are using one sided proof to backup your claims.

[Kenadian]

Gamemako wrote...

As a note to everyone here, the gun is buggy as hell and I'm not sure what the mechanics are actually supposed to be. If you want insanely awesome performance out of it, replicate the setup that Sp3c7eR used. Failure to do so may make the gun deal one third (!!!!) of what it could be doing.

Then there is no point in using it. This buggy thing has been relegated to "never touching" UR shelf along with the Javelin.

[Ashen One]

IndigoVitare wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It is inferior the the Particle Rifle in almost every way.

I have the Typhoon at rank X, and wouldn't even think about using it on anything other than the Destroyer. That's a problem.

Just going to point out that the way the Particle Rifle reloads means it's a lot slower at downing big bosses as you have to constantly wait for it to recharge.

So it's hardly "every way".

I believe I've seen Ashen say he managed to kill an Atlas with the PPR using one clip on a GI specced for Duration on TC and Speed & Vision instead of Damage on Hunter Mode... don't underestimate it.

I don't. I like the Particle Rifle. But the idea that the Particle Rifle is better than the Typhoon in every possible way is ludicrous.

When you consider the fact that the Particle Rifle can destroy the highest HP unit in the game on a setup optimized primarily for utility with damage as a secondary concern, whereas the Typhoon probably could not (i'd need to go test it, but I sincerely doubt it) it's not so "ludicrous".

The Particle Rifle has only one of the same drawbacks as the Typhoon which is the warm up time. It's relatievely lightweight for it's DPS potential (1.4, same as Saber, Graal, GPS) unlike the Typhoon. It has no recoil, unlike the Typhoon and perfect accuracy which means your theoretical DPS is often a reality. With a Typhoon, you're constantly going to ammo crates because it burns through ammunition. Not a problem with the Particle Rifle, and if you're really good with it, you don't even have to suffer through a reload animation.

Yeah, the Typhoon is inferior.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 10 août 2012 - 05:55 .

[Nelzeben]

Mgamerz wrote...

How long does a harrier take to kill an atlas?
You are using one sided proof to backup your claims.

I think that was just an example of how much it was nerfed. It's a lot easier to hit just about everything that isn't a boss with the Harrier than it is with the Typhoon. (In my experience, at least.)

[N7-RedFox]

No

[PolisMassa]

I really dont like it, to much recoil and horrible accuracy.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

 the gun is heavy as all heck, which would cut into the time marksman is available, plus a turian soldier would have to be out of cover too long for the gun to ramp up, they don't have the stagger protection or the defenses of the destroyer to withstand that.

So does being shot make you have to re-rev up the Typhoon then?  Turian Soldier with racial weapon stability & headshot damage, Marksman accuracy & headshot damage could allow you to use it from much further away than other classes.  I use Turians a lot and have no issues staying out of cover long enough to dump a couple Revenant clips into enemies, but I don't have any experience with Typhoon so maybe it's a different animal altogether.

 It's not that they can't use it, it's just not ideal, they can make other weapons so much better, it was as if the typhoon were only put into the game for destroyers for some reason

[Dama733]

The Typhoon I am finding is a good boss/sub-boss killer, but for the common enemy scrubs it can be a bit annoying given the shield blocks your view when you aim most of the time.

Just a Typhoon 1 can kill a full shield/armour Atlas in one clip if you keep the fire focused on the cockpit or other weakspots.

[upinya slayin]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I didn't like it THAT much to begin with and don't really use it anymore now. On any other class than the Destroyer, it's fairly tricky to use effectively.

But I'm sure a few people will come and defend it any moment now by saying we just don't know how to use it.

I don't have it yet thanks to the RNG, but everyone I play with has it so I've seen what it can do.  It is still very effective for what a LMG is designed to do but obviously not a weapon to be used on any and every class.  

That said, I would think that a Turian Soldier would make awesome use of the Typhoon due to Marksman and racial passives.  I mean, if the TS can make the Shuriken and Inciscor useable, surely he can wreck it with the Typhoon.

 the gun is heavy as all heck, which would cut into the time marksman is available, plus a turian soldier would have to be out of cover too long for the gun to ramp up, they don't have the stagger protection or the defenses of the destroyer to withstand that.

So does being shot make you have to re-rev up the Typhoon then?  Turian Soldier with racial weapon stability & headshot damage, Marksman accuracy & headshot damage could allow you to use it from much further away than other classes.  I use Turians a lot and have no issues staying out of cover long enough to dump a couple Revenant clips into enemies, but I don't have any experience with Typhoon so maybe it's a different animal altogether.

anything that stuns you makes you rev it up again

[Salaj]

its good but MAH LAZOR is better now,and since i dont have the harrier,its my best AR

[ryoldschool]

Dama733 wrote...

The Typhoon I am finding is a good boss/sub-boss killer, but for the common enemy scrubs it can be a bit annoying given the shield blocks your view when you aim most of the time.

Just a Typhoon 1 can kill a full shield/armour Atlas in one clip if you keep the fire focused on the cockpit or other weakspots.

The spector video was a Typhoon X, Warp IV ammo, Assault Rail III, Barrage V gear on Platinum.  With that setup he could not finish off an atlas with one clip.

[Battlepope190]

It's still a great weapon. All you chumps are just mad it isn't the instant win easy mode noob cannon it was before.

[Dudeskio]

The fact that the debate here seems to be between the Harrier, Typhoon, and PPR tells us all we need to know. We now have 3 viable, BALANCED ARs. How awesome is that?

[Ashen One]

Battlepope190 wrote...

It's still a great weapon. All you chumps are just mad it isn't the instant win easy mode noob cannon it was before.

I'm not mad at all.

I just don't see a point in using it on anything but the Destroyer, when the Particle Rifle is clearly superior to it.