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[Lenimph]

No but what about morals... oh nevermind I'm on the internet

[Lenimph]

Listen I'm not going to argue about Miranda's awesomeness I just think it's in bad taste to kill the only squadie who did anything about Shepard's death. 

Miranda was just doing her job.  Shepard meant nothing to her other then bragging rights to TIM. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 11 août 2012 - 02:57 .

[ObserverStatus]

Speezy wrote...

Lenimph wrote...
Sure kill the person that gave Shepard a second chance. Their is nothing wrong with that. -.-

So killing Liara in ME3 would some retroactively cause the game from happening?

Well, yes is would.  I have explained why extensively in this thread, but TL,DR:  Shepard actually suffered massive head trauma during the collector attack at the beginning of ME2, and everything that has happened since then has been a dream. Liara has been caring for him ever since he went comatose and if she died, there would be noone to feed Shepard.

[Han Shot First]

Rubios wrote...

Liara got her ass saved by Miranda and the Cerberus guys in Omega, she would be already dead if they didn't arrive in time.

After that Liara was just a tool, Miranda brought back Shepard and TIM paid for it, period.

Liara is one of the most plot relevent squadmates in the entire series, regardless of whether or not the player approves of either the character or her plot relevence.

In Mass Effect 1 she divines the location of Ilos, without which Saren would have been miles ahead of Shepard in the race to the Conduit, and the Reapers would have kept on reaping. In Mass Effect 2(or rather, off screen in the comics) Liara prevents the Shadow Broker from obtaining Shepard's corpse, and turns it over to Cerberus for the Lazarus Project. In doing so she plays a supporting role in Shepard's resurrection, without which, the Reapers keep on reaping. In ME3 she is instrumental in getting the Crucible built, without which, the Reapers keep on Reaping. Or alternatively if the player is dumb enough to choose refuse, she enables the next cycle to defeat the Reapers by passing down the knowledge Shepard refused to use.

In short, without Liara the Reapers win.

Now just because Liara is so plot relevent doesn't mean the player has to like her. But denying that plot relevence is a bit silly.

There are only two other squadmates with a similar amount of plot relevence: Miranda and Tali. Miranda of course was project lead for the Lazarus Project, and Tali obtains the intel that implicates Saren in the attack on Eden Prime, getting his Spectre status revoked. Her intel also implicates Benezia, which leads to Liara's eventual recruitment.

Every other squadmate could be removed from the series without the plot altering drastically. The dynamic trio that I just mentioned however, play a crucual role in stopping the Reapers.

[Ryzaki]

God yes. Blueberry's plot armor needs to go.

[OchreJelly]

No, and I'm not a Liara fan, per se.

I just find it absurd that people desire to kill off (good-guy) fictional characters because they don't like them because of reasons.

[ObserverStatus]

Ryzaki wrote...

God yes. Blueberry's plot armor needs to go.

Well you see, Shepard is in a coma, and ME3 is a dream.  Her plot armor is impenetrable because she's been using her telepathy to steer the course of Shepards dreams.

[Ryzaki]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

God yes. Blueberry's plot armor needs to go.

Well you see, Shepard is in a coma, and ME3 is a dream.  Her plot armor is impenetrable because she's been using her telepathy to steer the course of Shepards dreams.

Poor Shepard. I guess that's the reason he pretty much dies in every ending. Anything to get away from that stalker.

[Jamie9]

I think that the Suicide Mission actually screwed BioWare over for ME3. The fact that everybody could die destroyed all of ME2 character's plot relevance.

So... I would like this if they could implement it well. I would never kill her myself, but more choice is always good.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

God yes. Blueberry's plot armor needs to go.

Well you see, Shepard is in a coma, and ME3 is a dream.  Her plot armor is impenetrable because she's been using her telepathy to steer the course of Shepards dreams.

Is this the new Indoctrination Theory?

Resist Liara's romance to win! 

[D24O]

Kill ALL the squadmates, let Shepard just walk up and shoot anyone!

[Terraforming2154]

Jamie9 wrote...

I think that the Suicide Mission actually screwed BioWare over for ME3. The fact that everybody could die destroyed all of ME2 character's plot relevance.

So... I would like this if they could implement it well. I would never kill her myself, but more choice is always good.

They really should have held off on being able to kill squadmates until the last game.  And it probably wouldn't have hurt to have made ME2 have a smaller, more focused squad so you could have a mixed ME1 & ME2 squad for the final game.

They really limited themselves with how ME2 was implemented.


In regards to Liara, I like her, but I wouldn't mind DLC like that. Never going to happen though.

[Seifer006]

Mr.House wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Also, that space is Miranda's Lawson's office who needs to return. So, for Miranda Fans I'm with you. Kick Diana Allers off to have Zaeed Massani (The Human-K.R.O.G.A.N.) Return.

Wrong, that room was Andersons old room, before he was replaced by Shepard as CO, so it became theirs. Then Miranda made it her office without premission, it was then made into an empty room when the Alliance took over the ship, thus Liara took it over since it had enough room for her equipment. The room has changed hands three times, if it has to go back to anyone, it should be Anderson.

LMAO

I guess you've forgtten the SR1 Normandy was blown up. SR2 is completely different, it was Cerberus Ship. It was Miranda's office

[Seifer006]

Speezy wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Fine, you want to FINALLY be rid of Liara. Shepard remains dead at the beginning of ME2. The story ends there.

Cool.

Cool

[Seifer006]

Lizardviking wrote...

Instead of making pointless threads like this, how about people turn their attention towards rallying support for DLC that includes the more neglected characters?

I've already done that. but thanx for asking

[Seifer006]

Speezy wrote...

Maybe Miranda can get the damn body herself.

Miranda rulez. so much better than Liara

[Master Xanthan]

Honestly I don't see "fans can finally kill off liara in this exciting dlc!!!!" as a good selling point for leviathan.

[Han Shot First]

Rubios wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Rubios wrote...

Liara got her ass saved by Miranda and the Cerberus guys in Omega, she would be already dead if they didn't arrive in time.

After that Liara was just a tool, Miranda brought back Shepard and TIM paid for it, period.

**snip**

That's a pretty huge strawman, I never said she's not plot relevant through the trilogy.

I said that Shepard is back because Miranda and TIM, Liara does the mercenary job, is she wasn't there they would just send any other guy to do the job and bring Sheps' body back instead of using Liara, TIM has plenty of people able to do so.

One of TIM's strongpoints is that he's generally a good judge of what tools are needed for certain tasks. He could have potentially used someone else to fill Shepard's role in commanding the SR2, but he doesn't. He spends a fortune and two years on the Lazarus Project, because he recognizes that Shepard is the best man (or woman) for the job. He displays similar strengths in selecting Miranda for the Project lead of Lazarus, and in both recruiting just enough familiar faces for the SR2 to keep Shepard comfortable, and in filling the other spots on the crew with Cerberus personnel who present a more noble and friendly face of the organization than Shepard is used to. None of the Cerberus personnel in the Lazarus cell have been involved in any of Cerberus more controversial or 'evil' projects, a deliberate move by TIM to manipulate Shepard into seeing them in a different light.

How does all of that relate to Liara?

Using TIM's demonstrated judge of character as a guide, his selection of Liara couldn't have been random. Besides needing someone who was combat capable, he also likely needed someone who had first hand experience of the threat the Reapers posed and a personal stake in Shepard's recovery. A random merc or Cerberus goon might not be as motivated to recover a corpse when they have neither first hand experience with the Reapers or a personal connection to Shepard. As such, they might be less willing to risk their own skin if things got too hairy. Liara also had another trait that was useful to TIM: She wasn't likely to tell Cerberus to f--k off before they had even finished making their sales pitch (Ashley) and wasn't tied up with duties that made her unavailable. (either VS, Wrex, or Tali)

The only other squadmate that could have been an option for TIM was Garrus. But if the writers had gone that route, they would have to had to have scrapped the Archangel plotline or given it to someone else.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 août 2012 - 04:00 .

[L-train32]

NEVER!