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[Baa Baa]

revo76 wrote...

 If this question would be:
'If James Could Be Killed in a Future DLC, Would Fans Want This?'
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[F4H bandicoot]

Speezy wrote...

I don't really recall her doing anything on Eden Prime but stating the obvious either.

Without ehr Shep would have just forced the thing open. He was actaully going to do this until Liara told him how the thing worked. No liara, No Javik.
I want my Javik.

[Podge 90]

a DLC where Shepard gets to rip the tentacles from her head with his bare hands would be preferable.

ew, bald wimmin.

[Jonathan Shepard]

I love Liara. Giving the players who don't like her the choice to off her is completely fine by me. I say why not add some more wrinkles in the story? Maybe this choice -gasp- could actually matter?!

[Han Shot First]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

I love Liara. Giving the players who don't like her the choice to off her is completely fine by me. I say why not add some more wrinkles in the story? Maybe this choice -gasp- could actually matter?!

I like the original idea they had in mind for Thessia, where Shepard would have had to make a Virmire-like choice between the Virmire Survivor and Liara.

I'm all for choices.

But threads like these are just created by fans who are butthurt that Bioware either killed their favorite squadmate or left them off the squad.

Also, character hate is lame.

I never quite understood the "I want to kill character X!' threads, even more so when the threads are motivated by jealousy over content written for another character.

[Asari_Sunrise]

Speezy wrote...

Liara isn't really necessary for anything.

Even on Thessia she doesn't do jack ****

She bypassed the barrier locking you out of the Temple on Thessia, and she provided important background information about the Asari, without which the reveal about Athame being a Prothean would make less sense.

On Eden Prime, she informs Shepard of the correct way to open the pod. Without this information, Shepard may well have damaged the pod and killed Javik.

Without her, both of these parts of the game would have happened very differently, and her not being present would probably have adversely affected some other parts of the game, considering she was the one to receive the message about the Ardat Yakshi monastery.

Modifié par Asari_Sunrise, 11 août 2012 - 11:21 .

[PrimeOfValor]

Baronesa wrote...

No

Billions upon Billions of times no!

Liara cannot die! She is larger than life!

[rubynorman]

Asari_Sunrise wrote...

Speezy wrote...

Liara isn't really necessary for anything.

Even on Thessia she doesn't do jack ****

She bypassed the barrier locking you out of the Temple on Thessia, and she provided important background information about the Asari, without which the reveal about Athame being a Prothean would make less sense.

On Eden Prime, she informs Shepard of the correct way to open the pod. Without this information, Shepard may well have damaged the pod and killed Javik.

Without her, both of these parts of the game would have happened very differently, and her not being present would probably have adversely affected some other parts of the game, considering she was the one to receive the message about the Ardat Yakshi monastery.

Yeah, and she saved you from falling on Thessia too

[MACharlie1]

Asari_Sunrise wrote...

Speezy wrote...

Liara isn't really necessary for anything.

Even on Thessia she doesn't do jack ****

She bypassed the barrier locking you out of the Temple on Thessia, and she provided important background information about the Asari, without which the reveal about Athame being a Prothean would make less sense.

On Eden Prime, she informs Shepard of the correct way to open the pod. Without this information, Shepard may well have damaged the pod and killed Javik.

Without her, both of these parts of the game would have happened very differently, and her not being present would probably have adversely affected some other parts of the game, considering she was the one to receive the message about the Ardat Yakshi monastery.

So....she acts chiefly as an advisory role? Basically playing EDI in ME2? Providing exposatory background information for the player

Yeah. That's not something really useful in context to the story itself. 

As for above - no reason why an alternative squaddie couldn't do the same. There isn't anything inherently special about Liara's presence besides doing mundane tasks that could have been performed by anyone else. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 11 août 2012 - 11:26 .

[Han Shot First]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

While I appreciate that many feel that Liara is shoved down their throats, I really like her. The solution to the Liara-problem is not to have less of her, but to have more fleshed out material for the other squaddies and not so minor characters. Because when you think about it, she doesn't get much more face time than Javik or "I want to be a real girl"-EDI (she settles for being a "Real Doll ™"), just that the rest get totally shafted.

To reasonable for it to get much attention from the BSN.

Makes sense, therefore must discard and RAGE!

[ChrisDV]

Asari_Sunrise wrote...

Speezy wrote...

Liara isn't really necessary for anything.

Even on Thessia she doesn't do jack ****

She bypassed the barrier locking you out of the Temple on Thessia, and she provided important background information about the Asari, without which the reveal about Athame being a Prothean would make less sense.

On Eden Prime, she informs Shepard of the correct way to open the pod. Without this information, Shepard may well have damaged the pod and killed Javik.

Without her, both of these parts of the game would have happened very differently, and her not being present would probably have adversely affected some other parts of the game, considering she was the one to receive the message about the Ardat Yakshi monastery.

Yeah, because EDI couldn't hack the barrier or scan Javik's stasis pod from up on the Normandy. OH WAIT, yes she could, as proven several times during ME2. She could easily be replaced in the temple, since all she does is effectively give you the cliffnotes version of the religion before the other squaddie points Athame's resembelance to the Protheans (Or in Javik's case, just outright say "That's clearly a Prothean.")

And it's not like the Asari couldn't just contact Shepard directly to request the Norrmandy's aid with the monastery, considering he's a council Spectre & they go to him about the Thessia mission in the first place.

[Pitznik]

I heard in the new DLC you can actually have Liara in BOTH squadmate slots. Yes, you heard me right - twice as much Liara goodness, complete with amazing and lengthy Liara/Liara banter.

[Mavqt]

I would say yes if...

There was a choice between 2 squadies.
And have Miranda as a temp sqaudmate so I could off her instead.


/troll

[Asari_Sunrise]

Speezy wrote...

Reasons why Liara is important to the plot.

1.) Opens door.

Not really, If you're willing to go back to ME1, she was the one who understood the vision enough to realise that Ilos was where you should be heading. Without knowing that, Saren manages to get to the Conduit unimpeded, opens the Citadel Relay, and the Reapers have their instant win.

But since this is about ME3, lets talk about her main achievments there.

1) Finding the Crucible plans, which is what allows you to be victorious in the end.
2) Helps on Eden Prime, so that Shepard can safely extract Javik instead of killing him.
3) Allows Shepard to get access to the Temple of Athame (opening a door, as you put it)

While you could, perhaps, argue she is not entirely necessary, she is clearly very important to the story, and the most logical choice by FAR in terms of the story for doing all of these things. in ME3.

[Mavqt]

^ Hackett analyzes and deciphers the data? Don't think so.

[MACharlie1]

Speezy wrote...

1.) Hackett pretty much tells you about it. So no need for Liara there.

2.) EDI, or even a terminal, could tell you how to deal with Javik.

3.) Asari councilor gives you the codes for the door.

Adding to number 3 - IT'S A DOOR! She literally opens a door. If your arguement is seriously "Liara is important to the story because she unlocks the door to the Temple." You're going to have a hard time. 

How many doors has Shepard broken into the past game? Alot. 

I'm willing to give you some of the Crucible information. Maybe she made it faster because she knows how read Prothean information but truthfully, it's a stretch since we ourselves were able to decipher the beacon on Mars without Liara being there. That and she only uncovered that it was blueprints. She essentially downloaded it - read it. "Oh blueprints" and sent the data to be analyzed by Crucible scientists. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 11 août 2012 - 11:50 .

[Asari_Sunrise]

Speezy wrote...

1.) Hackett pretty much tells you about it. So no need for Liara there.

2.) EDI, or even a terminal, could tell you how to deal with Javik.

3.) Asari councilor gives you the codes for the door.

It's quite possible that Hackett only knew of the plans because Liara had already found them. That's speculation (hah) at best, so I'll concede to your points - if you're willing to have all of these changes implemented, then perhaps you don't need Liara, though I stand by the fact that her being there is more logical, and that she is still very important to the overall story, especially when considering what she does in ME1/2.

[Mavqt]

Liara got lead to the beacon by her network and Hackett gave her access to it.
She found/discovered the blueprints that had eluded the human researchers for what 30+ years? And found out it was a powerfull device/weapon.
She then told hackett about it.
He got a copy of the blueprints and sent it to a bunch of scientists.

[Mavqt]

Traynor is a comms specialist, recieving transmissions and S.O.S calls.
She's no Prothean researcher or scientist.

[MACharlie1]

mavqt wrote...

Traynor is a comms specialist, recieving transmissions and S.O.S calls.
She's no Prothean researcher or scientist.

...and yet managed to track down Kai Leng better then our Shadow Broker. Go figure.

Oh yeah. Liara was busy crying.Well, she gets a free pass on that one...<_<

Modifié par MACharlie1, 12 août 2012 - 12:01 .