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No, she serves an integral part to the ME universe, and no other companion has the intellectual chops to fill the role she does as Shadow Broker.


But she never does anything! Traynor discovers every single substantive lead in ME3.
All Liara does is ask about your feelings in an unnecessarily breathy voice...a lot. Oh and of course lets not forget that she stares at you while you sleep.


Who discovered the crucible plans again (...and makes sure the project has the supplies it needs)?


Yes, we know, but what purpose does she serve after that? Nothing really. 

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spirosz wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

No, she serves an integral part to the ME universe, and no other companion has the intellectual chops to fill the role she does as Shadow Broker.


Miranda, Traynor, **** - Wrex is smarter IMO. 


IMO

If everything isn't all Wrex all the time, then there's not enough Wrex

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Helios969 wrote...

No, she serves an integral part to the ME universe, and no other companion has the intellectual chops to fill the role she does as Shadow Broker.


Right....which is why Miranda who was the only one who was capable of bringing Shepard back to life, because she's dumber than Liara, why Traynor does such a great job of intercepting transmissions and tracking down Kai Leng. It also explains why a Prothean that hasn't seen the light of day for 50,000 years had to be the one to tell her one of the Asari's oldest secrets that she had to have had access to. Or, you know, eyes.

I don't hate Liara, but to pretend that she is the only essential character to everything that happens in Shepard's life is completely bogus.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 13 août 2012 - 04:14 .


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spirosz wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

No, she serves an integral part to the ME universe, and no other companion has the intellectual chops to fill the role she does as Shadow Broker.


But she never does anything! Traynor discovers every single substantive lead in ME3.
All Liara does is ask about your feelings in an unnecessarily breathy voice...a lot. Oh and of course lets not forget that she stares at you while you sleep.


Who discovered the crucible plans again (...and makes sure the project has the supplies it needs)?


Yes, we know, but what purpose does she serve after that? Nothing really. 


We know that the Shadow Broker is playing a large role in getting the Crucible built and in providing aid/intel to the various factions. Of course it's only background information. She also creates the time capsule.

To answer your question: squadmate. EDI (tech), Liara (biotic) and Vega (soldier) are the core squad, characters that cannot be lost.  All ME games had some mandatory squadmates, who are always available. I mean, what purpose does Garrus serve in ME2?

Modifié par Barquiel, 13 août 2012 - 04:17 .


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NO.

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Barquiel wrote...

We know that the Shadow Broker is playing a large role in getting the Crucible built and in providing aid/intel to the various factions. Of course it's only background information. She also creates the time capsule.

To answer your question: squadmate. EDI (tech), Liara (biotic) and Vega (soldier) are the core squad, characters that cannot be lost.  All ME games had some mandatory squadmates, who are always available. I mean, what purpose does Garrus serve in ME2?


He can still die in ME2 and you don't have to recruit him in ME1.

That's the problem, Bioware didn't execute her role for her character to the extent, where she was needed for the whole game, which isn't HER fault because she is still a great character, it's Biowares and it wasn't till the EC that she could die. Remember the whole "there is no permanence to the squad" PR stunt Bioware was pulling when asked about the squad and ME2 characters, etc? Oh, I forgot - new players, best place to start, my mistake.  

The same could be said for Vega, was he needed? Probably not, but at least he didn't come up to your cabin after every mission to ask if you're okay, especially when a game all about "choices" doesn't let you tell her - stop, I don't need you up here, I'd rather have "x", etc. 

Modifié par spirosz, 13 août 2012 - 04:40 .


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spirosz wrote...

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Also, lol. If that's the case I would have supported the DLC if it allowed you to pick whichever character you wanted from your current team and replace them with a past squaddie.

If the DLC you want is solely for the option to kill Liara... Unplug your game and do something else. You're irrational anger at the fictional character has gone on long enough, lol


If Liara was only included for about 15 minutes in the game, how would you react? 


Did you forget about ME2? LotSB was a DLC that came out well after the game. How did I react? With dissapointment. I didn't take to the forums to whine eternal

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I'm not saying I want Liara gone entirely; she does have an important purpose, after all. I'm just saying that we really didn't *have* to see her so friggin' often and it would be nice if she was treated with the same amount of potential fatality as the other characters. If Steve could potentially die, so should she. If Garrus could potentially die, so should she. Hell, if Shepard could potentially die, so should she.

I think I just kind of hate the way BioWare ignores and bashes their own characters at the expense of propping up their pet . . . you know, the characters that some people care about *coughJacobcough*. It's like I'm reading a fanfiction where the author feels the need to crap on the characterization of one character solely to make another look better in comparison. That's something I expect from fans, but not from the company itself.

Essentially, Liara is pretty much The Scrappy in my book.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 13 août 2012 - 11:54 .


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I do not understand how can there be people who do not love Liara ..Is Liara!

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I do not understand how can there be people who do not love Liara ..Is Liara!


You just answered your question.

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I do not understand how can there be people who do not love Liara ..Is Liara!


She's a creepy stalker.

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As an option sure.

She's a pain in the rear and if I can't permanently remove her then at least let me get her off the ship and replace her with someone worth having around.

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spirosz wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

We know that the Shadow Broker is playing a large role in getting the Crucible built and in providing aid/intel to the various factions. Of course it's only background information. She also creates the time capsule.

To answer your question: squadmate. EDI (tech), Liara (biotic) and Vega (soldier) are the core squad, characters that cannot be lost.  All ME games had some mandatory squadmates, who are always available. I mean, what purpose does Garrus serve in ME2?


He can still die in ME2 and you don't have to recruit him in ME1.

That's the problem, Bioware didn't execute her role for her character to the extent, where she was needed for the whole game, which isn't HER fault because she is still a great character, it's Biowares and it wasn't till the EC that she could die. Remember the whole "there is no permanence to the squad" PR stunt Bioware was pulling when asked about the squad and ME2 characters, etc? Oh, I forgot - new players, best place to start, my mistake.  

The same could be said for Vega, was he needed? Probably not, but at least he didn't come up to your cabin after every mission to ask if you're okay, especially when a game all about "choices" doesn't let you tell her - stop, I don't need you up here, I'd rather have "x", etc. 


Liara can die at the end of ME3 just like how Garrus and the other ME2 characters (most of them had absolutely no plot relevance) can only die at the end of ME2. Samara was the only exception, she is killable in the middle of the game. I really don't see the difference here. And Liara could always die in ME3. There was no beam scene (it was cut for some reason), but you saw your squadmates dead bodies on the ground with low EMS.

To be honest, I wouldn't have minded if they had kept the original design for the Thessia mission (the Liara/VS choice), it would have been an easy decision for me (Liara is my LI, and the VS was portrayed as extremely stupid in the leaked script). But making her killable in some DLC would be a waste of resources.

And she doesn't come to your cabin after every mission to ask if "you're okay". I remember 4 "cabin" scenes for a romanced Liara...
First time, she knocks on the door, and Shepard talks to her in the hallway (something anout the primarch and the crucible)
Second time, she sends Shep an email, then Shepard invites her up by intercom (time capsule)
Third time, she knocks on the door (because the salarian councilor contacted you)...and Shepard invites her in. You can talk about Virmire or "business".
Fourth time, romance scene

Modifié par Barquiel, 13 août 2012 - 11:41 .


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Barquiel wrote...

Liara can die at the end of ME3 just like how Garrus and the other ME2 characters (most of them had absolutely no plot relevance) can only die at the end of ME2. Samara was the only exception, she is killable in the middle of the game. I really don't see the difference here. And Liara could always die in ME3. There was no beam scene (it was cut for some reason), but you saw your squadmates dead bodies on the ground with low EMS.


You could kill Ashley/Kaidan and Wrex on Virmire. You could kill everyone in ME2. You could kill Ashley/Kaidan on the Citadel. You can have Tali die on Rannoch. You can kill Wrex on the Citadel. Steve (a potential LI but not a squadmate) can die. Liara is the only one from all three games that you cannot kill unless you kill everyone, and that's just obnoxious.

Barquiel wrote...

And she doesn't come to your cabin after every mission to ask if "you're okay". I remember 4 "cabin" scenes for a romanced Liara...
First time, she knocks on the door, and Shepard talks to her in the hallway (something anout the primarch and the crucible)
Second time, she sends Shep an email, then Shepard invites her up by intercom (time capsule)
Third time, she knocks on the door (because the salarian councilor contacted you)...and Shepard invites her in. You can talk about Virmire or "business".
Fourth time, romance scene


The time capsule scene is optional; you won't get that unless you talk to her (which is a good thing). However, there are multiple other instances of where you have to talk to her (she's the one that gives you the Ardat-Yakshi mission, as I recall). I'm just saying that we could have done with 70% less Liara-required content. Making her optional would have made everyone happy: the Liaramancers could have gotten what they wanted and the others would have had the option of not being forced to interact with her if they chose not to. But because BioWare has a boner for Liara, they forced her on everyone. The Master does not approve.

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You could kill Ashley/Kaidan and Wrex on Virmire. You could kill everyone in ME2. You could kill Ashley/Kaidan on the Citadel. You can have Tali die on Rannoch. You can kill Wrex on the Citadel. Steve (a potential LI but not a squadmate) can die. Liara is the only one from all three games that you cannot kill unless you kill everyone, and that's just obnoxious.


Wrong. Joker is completly unkillable.

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 août 2012 - 12:12 .


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Liaramancers incoming!

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People would kill Liara and then complain when killing the head of the galaxy's largest intelligence network had some form of negative impact.

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tonnactus wrote...

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You could kill Ashley/Kaidan and Wrex on Virmire. You could kill everyone in ME2. You could kill Ashley/Kaidan on the Citadel. You can have Tali die on Rannoch. You can kill Wrex on the Citadel. Steve (a potential LI but not a squadmate) can die. Liara is the only one from all three games that you cannot kill unless you kill everyone, and that's just obnoxious.


Wrong. Joker is completly unkillable.

Joker is not a squadmate.

Sajuro wrote...

People would kill Liara and then complain when killing the head of the galaxy's largest intelligence network had some form of negative impact.

I would even be fine with that. Simply having the option would be good enough for me, even if I didn't always take it.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 14 août 2012 - 02:38 .


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Yes.

All squadmates should have the ability to die as a result of actions taken by the player.

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Right....which is why Miranda who was the only one who was capable of bringing Shepard back to life, because she's dumber than Liara, why Traynor does such a great job of intercepting transmissions and tracking down Kai Leng. It also explains why a Prothean that hasn't seen the light of day for 50,000 years had to be the one to tell her one of the Asari's oldest secrets that she had to have had access to. Or, you know, eyes.

I don't hate Liara, but to pretend that she is the only essential character to everything that happens in Shepard's life is completely bogus.


Agreed

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Speezy wrote...

Julian Fuentes wrote...

I do not understand how can there be people who do not love Liara ..Is Liara!


You just answered your question.





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tonnactus wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...



You could kill Ashley/Kaidan and Wrex on Virmire. You could kill everyone in ME2. You could kill Ashley/Kaidan on the Citadel. You can have Tali die on Rannoch. You can kill Wrex on the Citadel. Steve (a potential LI but not a squadmate) can die. Liara is the only one from all three games that you cannot kill unless you kill everyone, and that's just obnoxious.


Wrong. Joker is completly unkillable.


lol

the whole joker argument is laughable

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Unschuld wrote...

Yes.

All squadmates should have the ability to die as a result of actions taken by the player.


pretty much

Modifié par Seifer006, 14 août 2012 - 03:34 .


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TS2Aggie wrote...



Wrong. Joker is completly unkillable.


Neither is Steve.

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 août 2012 - 11:32 .


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mauro2222 wrote...

Liaramancers incoming!


Frankly I've seen more Thanemancers crying on this thread than Liaramancers.

If Liara could be killed in DLC, where it would fit?

Thane defended the salarian councillor while he was terminally ill and he certainly didn't left the party from backdoor, neither did Mordin or VS.

I don't see any sense in killing a character unless its made to push the plot forward.