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[o Ventus]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Tecco wrote...

Liara is a important part of the story and the cutest thing. too few cute, nerdy and deadly girls out there tbh.

If by "important" you mean "contrived on a retarded scale", then yeah, she's even more important than Shepard.

well .. most of the characters are not at their best in me3 ... shepard included.

Not even "most". More like all of them.

Except maybe Joker. He doesn't really do anything too idiotic (granted, he has little screentime in ME3 outside his side conversations).

[Dr_Extrem]

its just sad .. i liked shepard when he/she had quad.

after thessia, i personally was just just mad because of leng - why was my shepard not mad as well? i could only choose between sad and sad.


i still like liara - but she was cooler in lotsb. her cynism and dedication were more intense. she was also a little bit colder - i liked that.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I would gladly trade Liara away for Samara..

As for Shadow Broker operations, I would get Miranda to be the Shadow Broker. She is more capable than Liara

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Tecco wrote...

Liara is a important part of the story and the cutest thing. too few cute, nerdy and deadly girls out there tbh.

On because the devs made her important. I am sure they could make her unimportant. I am fine with being cute but I am not fine with her not doing her job as a Prothean scientist, a Shadow Broker properly.... & she is not deadly at all. Bring her around on any combat in ME3 on Hardcore or Insanity & she drops down like a wilted leaf . Also Liara is not nerdy in ME3. She was nerdy in ME1. Samantha does a better job at being nerdy 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Honestly Liara in ME3 is unbearable

1: She failed terribly at things she was supposed to do. She failed spectacularly as a Shadow Broker. For one thing, almost all the important people in the galaxy knows her identity as Shadow Broker (Shepard's squadmates, Hackett which means Alliance HQ, High level matriarchs, Illusive Man , etc). Secondly Illusive Man beat her to Mars & Thessia, both on crucial parts of the story. If Bioware wanted to introduce a replacement for Shadow Broker who is a female, at least base her qualities on some other female heads of intelligence, like M in James Bond. Bottom line Liara screwed up big time as Shadow Broker, an embarrassment to intelligence organizations. The only character that Shepard has teamed up with that behaves like M is Miranda Lawson. Idk why she didn't become the Shadow Broker.

2: She is too emotional. Yes losing your planet / homeworld is bad but you don't see anyone else being whiny about it. Liara is the head of a covert spy network. She is supposed to be cold & calculated & not bow down to pressure and losses. She is supposed to be tough. Being the head of an covert intelligence organization should have made her that. Also she is incapable of facing the truth about the asari : They are where they are now because they hoarded secret Prothean tech. Without it they would not be the most advanced species in the galaxy. & she couldn't even handle Javik for telling her that.

3: She also failed as a Prothean scientist / historian. As someone who took a minor in History, I have met really cool historians in my time like Jared Diamond , Ian Morris, etc. They are always open to things. Liara with her belief the Protheans are nice, prized equality ..Its just too naive. Too childish. Being a historian you always have 2 sides to the coin & she is only able to look at 1 side & be blinded by the other. & really, she actually didn't really do anything useful in ME3 if you look closely. It was Hackett's idea to find solutions to stop Reapers. It was Cerberus that gave us the intel to Javik. It was Coucillor Tevos who directed us to Thessia. Did Liara actually do any big Prothean related stuff ? NO. In ME1 she at least gave us the location of Ilos . Also as a important Asari figure in the galaxy, she didn't do anything to help the Asari to join the cause. Did you see her convincing Matriarchs or Tevos about them staying out is a bad idea ? No.

4: She also sucks as a teammate during combat. Her health is way too low & all her powers benefit only herself. Try bringing her to any mission on Insanity / Hardcore & she drops like a wilted leaf . As for the role of supportive biotics, Javik does a much better job at that being able to cast pull which is a mini singularity , dark channel (it can jump & you can have multiple combos & enemies cannot dodge it ) & his passives can boost the team. & Javik have more interesting interactions & dialogue in missions that she does.

Bottom line, she is too naive, too fragile (in combat & emotionally), got her blue bum-bum owned, didn't do anything useful or game changing , finding Prothean tech was not her idea, finding Javik did not come from her, she was wrong about Prothean species, she was unaware of her own species dirty secrets despite being Shadow Broker,...& Bioware forced her on us for no reason ...

Why did they do that when they didn't do anything of the sort in ME1 or ME2 idk...So I would like to get her killed..Or send her to join Hackett & become a war asset...

[ChrisDV]

The Sin wrote...

Honestly Liara in ME3 is unbearable

1: She failed terribly at things she was supposed to do. She failed spectacularly as a Shadow Broker. For one thing, almost all the important people in the galaxy knows her identity as Shadow Broker (Shepard's squadmates, Hackett which means Alliance HQ, High level matriarchs, Illusive Man , etc). Secondly Illusive Man beat her to Mars & Thessia, both on crucial parts of the story. If Bioware wanted to introduce a replacement for Shadow Broker who is a female, at least base her qualities on some other female heads of intelligence, like M in James Bond. Bottom line Liara screwed up big time as Shadow Broker, an embarrassment to intelligence organizations. The only character that Shepard has teamed up with that behaves like M is Miranda Lawson. Idk why she didn't become the Shadow Broker.

Agreed. Too many people know Liara is the Shadow Broker for her to be effective in the role of a clandestine information broker.

The Sin wrote...

2: She is too emotional. Yes losing your planet / homeworld is bad but you don't see anyone else being whiny about it. Liara is the head of a covert spy network. She is supposed to be cold & calculated & not bow down to pressure and losses. She is supposed to be tough. Being the head of an covert intelligence organization should have made her that. Also she is incapable of facing the truth about the asari : They are where they are now because they hoarded secret Prothean tech. Without it they would not be the most advanced species in the galaxy. & she couldn't even handle Javik for telling her that.

Whilst I do agree with you on her emotional state, I think you can excuse the truth about the Asari since she's basically been told that everything she knows about her people was just a lie.

The Sin wrote...

3: She also failed as a Prothean scientist / historian. As someone who took a minor in History, I have met really cool historians in my time like Jared Diamond , Ian Morris, etc. They are always open to things. Liara with her belief the Protheans are nice, prized equality ..Its just too naive. Too childish. Being a historian you always have 2 sides to the coin & she is only able to look at 1 side & be blinded by the other. & really, she actually didn't really do anything useful in ME3 if you look closely. It was Hackett's idea to find solutions to stop Reapers. It was Cerberus that gave us the intel to Javik. It was Coucillor Tevos who directed us to Thessia. Did Liara actually do any big Prothean related stuff ? NO. In ME1 she at least gave us the location of Ilos . Also as a important Asari figure in the galaxy, she didn't do anything to help the Asari to join the cause. Did you see her convincing Matriarchs or Tevos about them staying out is a bad idea ? No.

No argument there. Hell, she's forced on the Eden Prime mission on the pretence of Shepard needing the resident Prothean expert, but her only contribution to the mission ("No, don't open that by forcing it! We need the key!") is something Edi could have done over radio.

The Sin wrote...

4: She also sucks as a teammate during combat. Her health is way too low & all her powers benefit only herself. Try bringing her to any mission on Insanity / Hardcore & she drops like a wilted leaf . As for the role of supportive biotics, Javik does a much better job at that being able to cast pull which is a mini singularity , dark channel (it can jump & you can have multiple combos & enemies cannot dodge it ) & his passives can boost the team. & Javik have more interesting interactions & dialogue in missions that she does.

Subjective - It all depends on your play style & how Shepard is specced.

[ddraigcoch123]

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

[StayFrosty05]

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

No, it's a back lash to the forced 'Love In' with Liara (ME2 and ME3) and her centre stage in ME3....ME1 gave us a choice in what kind of relationship we wished to develop with squad mates....yes it had it's Ninjamance issues....but we were still able to define our relationships on a non romantic level with our Squad Mates....that all went out the window in ME2 come Liara....my import through games Shep did not have a good friendship with Liara....he accused her of being a Stalker, etc... in ME1

ME2 (post LotSB) they hug.... and are suddenly besties?.......LotSB more besties BS?........All Shep could do was keep her off the Normandy....Quote: 'Let's keep this Professional"

ME3 comes the breathie "Liara" on meeting....If I heard my hubby talk to another woman like that he would be in for a very unpleasent experience.....From there on in it's just pure 'Love In' with Liara...and for gods sake if you have a single Shep....DO NOT TALK TO AETHYTA!!!.........and avoid all dialog at all costs with Liara.

The sad part is, I used to actually like Liara until I was forced to love her....when I had actual choices with her.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 25 novembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

The Sin wrote...

Honestly Liara in ME3 is unbearable

1: She failed terribly at things she was supposed to do. She failed spectacularly as a Shadow Broker. For one thing, almost all the important people in the galaxy knows her identity as Shadow Broker (Shepard's squadmates, Hackett which means Alliance HQ, High level matriarchs, Illusive Man , etc). Secondly Illusive Man beat her to Mars & Thessia, both on crucial parts of the story. If Bioware wanted to introduce a replacement for Shadow Broker who is a female, at least base her qualities on some other female heads of intelligence, like M in James Bond. Bottom line Liara screwed up big time as Shadow Broker, an embarrassment to intelligence organizations. The only character that Shepard has teamed up with that behaves like M is Miranda Lawson. Idk why she didn't become the Shadow Broker.

2: She is too emotional. Yes losing your planet / homeworld is bad but you don't see anyone else being whiny about it. Liara is the head of a covert spy network. She is supposed to be cold & calculated & not bow down to pressure and losses. She is supposed to be tough. Being the head of an covert intelligence organization should have made her that. Also she is incapable of facing the truth about the asari : They are where they are now because they hoarded secret Prothean tech. Without it they would not be the most advanced species in the galaxy. & she couldn't even handle Javik for telling her that.

3: She also failed as a Prothean scientist / historian. As someone who took a minor in History, I have met really cool historians in my time like Jared Diamond , Ian Morris, etc. They are always open to things. Liara with her belief the Protheans are nice, prized equality ..Its just too naive. Too childish. Being a historian you always have 2 sides to the coin & she is only able to look at 1 side & be blinded by the other. & really, she actually didn't really do anything useful in ME3 if you look closely. It was Hackett's idea to find solutions to stop Reapers. It was Cerberus that gave us the intel to Javik. It was Coucillor Tevos who directed us to Thessia. Did Liara actually do any big Prothean related stuff ? NO. In ME1 she at least gave us the location of Ilos . Also as a important Asari figure in the galaxy, she didn't do anything to help the Asari to join the cause. Did you see her convincing Matriarchs or Tevos about them staying out is a bad idea ? No.

4: She also sucks as a teammate during combat. Her health is way too low & all her powers benefit only herself. Try bringing her to any mission on Insanity / Hardcore & she drops like a wilted leaf . As for the role of supportive biotics, Javik does a much better job at that being able to cast pull which is a mini singularity , dark channel (it can jump & you can have multiple combos & enemies cannot dodge it ) & his passives can boost the team. & Javik have more interesting interactions & dialogue in missions that she does.

Bottom line, she is too naive, too fragile (in combat & emotionally), got her blue bum-bum owned, didn't do anything useful or game changing , finding Prothean tech was not her idea, finding Javik did not come from her, she was wrong about Prothean species, she was unaware of her own species dirty secrets despite being Shadow Broker,...& Bioware forced her on us for no reason ...

Why did they do that when they didn't do anything of the sort in ME1 or ME2 idk...So I would like to get her killed..Or send her to join Hackett & become a war asset...

1. Liara is not like the other generations of Shadow Brokers, she focuses on intelligence rather than criminal activites. She has a PMC (Private Military) so technically, there is no reason for her to be a shadow. Everyone knows her being the SB, but nobody knows her pawns/minions/jockeys/thugs/troops/onions.
2. I agree with this one, she cries way too much. Who cares if your species planet blows up? What effect does it have on you? If Earth blew up, I would be sad, and next day after I would forget it and go live on another planet. Of course if it happened today, then I would be really screwed. Can't live on the moon without O2 and H2O.
3. She uncovered the Crucible plans, helped with Javik and did some behind-the-scenes stuff. Blow more smoke outta yo' punk ass.
4. Couldn't care if you play like me, I don't even tell my squadmates to do anything, I go solo and rambo.

However, I believe that this is the communities problem. Remember when everyone was screaming "LIARARWWW" when ME2 was out? LoTSB was created and was very successful and Bioware went with the mentality that we want more Liara.

BSN forced this upon itself and now its "i hav deh iq unda teh 70" members are crying. Of course this is a different story if you didn't scream Liara, but truly, it's Bioware's fault.

[StayFrosty05]

The Sin wrote...

Honestly Liara in ME3 is unbearable

1: She failed terribly at things she was supposed to do. She failed spectacularly as a Shadow Broker. For one thing, almost all the important people in the galaxy knows her identity as Shadow Broker (Shepard's squadmates, Hackett which means Alliance HQ, High level matriarchs, Illusive Man , etc). Secondly Illusive Man beat her to Mars & Thessia, both on crucial parts of the story. If Bioware wanted to introduce a replacement for Shadow Broker who is a female, at least base her qualities on some other female heads of intelligence, like M in James Bond. Bottom line Liara screwed up big time as Shadow Broker, an embarrassment to intelligence organizations. The only character that Shepard has teamed up with that behaves like M is Miranda Lawson. Idk why she didn't become the Shadow Broker.

2: She is too emotional. Yes losing your planet / homeworld is bad but you don't see anyone else being whiny about it. Liara is the head of a covert spy network. She is supposed to be cold & calculated & not bow down to pressure and losses. She is supposed to be tough. Being the head of an covert intelligence organization should have made her that. Also she is incapable of facing the truth about the asari : They are where they are now because they hoarded secret Prothean tech. Without it they would not be the most advanced species in the galaxy. & she couldn't even handle Javik for telling her that.

3: She also failed as a Prothean scientist / historian. As someone who took a minor in History, I have met really cool historians in my time like Jared Diamond , Ian Morris, etc. They are always open to things. Liara with her belief the Protheans are nice, prized equality ..Its just too naive. Too childish. Being a historian you always have 2 sides to the coin & she is only able to look at 1 side & be blinded by the other. & really, she actually didn't really do anything useful in ME3 if you look closely. It was Hackett's idea to find solutions to stop Reapers. It was Cerberus that gave us the intel to Javik. It was Coucillor Tevos who directed us to Thessia. Did Liara actually do any big Prothean related stuff ? NO. In ME1 she at least gave us the location of Ilos . Also as a important Asari figure in the galaxy, she didn't do anything to help the Asari to join the cause. Did you see her convincing Matriarchs or Tevos about them staying out is a bad idea ? No.

4: She also sucks as a teammate during combat. Her health is way too low & all her powers benefit only herself. Try bringing her to any mission on Insanity / Hardcore & she drops like a wilted leaf . As for the role of supportive biotics, Javik does a much better job at that being able to cast pull which is a mini singularity , dark channel (it can jump & you can have multiple combos & enemies cannot dodge it ) & his passives can boost the team. & Javik have more interesting interactions & dialogue in missions that she does.

Bottom line, she is too naive, too fragile (in combat & emotionally), got her blue bum-bum owned, didn't do anything useful or game changing , finding Prothean tech was not her idea, finding Javik did not come from her, she was wrong about Prothean species, she was unaware of her own species dirty secrets despite being Shadow Broker,...& Bioware forced her on us for no reason ...

Why did they do that when they didn't do anything of the sort in ME1 or ME2 idk...So I would like to get her killed..Or send her to join Hackett & become a war asset...

Well said....kudo's The Sin..........Aside from Miranda being SB, I would have to agree with everything you have said here.....Though I never use Liara in my Squad unless I am forced to, so can't comment in that regard.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

No, it's a back lash to the forced 'Love In' with Liara (ME2 and ME3) and her centre stage in ME3....ME1 gave us a choice in what kind of relationship we wished to develop with squad mates....yes it had it's Ninjamance issues....but we were still able to define our relationships on a non romantic level with our Squad Mates....that all went out the window in ME2 come Liara....my import through games Shep did not have a good friendship with Liara....he accused her of being a Stalker, etc... in ME1

ME2 (post LotSB) they hug.... and are suddenly besties?.......LotSB more besties BS?........All Shep could do was keep her off the Normandy....Quote: 'Let's keep this Professional"

ME3 comes the breathie "Liara" on meeting....If I heard my hubby talk to another woman like that he would be in for a very unpleasent experience.....From there on in it's just pure 'Love In' with Liara...and for gods sake if you have a single Shep....DO NOT TALK TO AETHYTA!!!.........and avoid all dialog at all costs with Liara.

The sad part is, I used to actually like Liara until I was forced to love her....when I had actual choices with her.

What about the forced friendship with Garrus? Why was my Shepard happy to see him again? AUTODIALOUGE. Yeah, Liara is forced.

COMPLAIN

[StayFrosty05]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

No, it's a back lash to the forced 'Love In' with Liara (ME2 and ME3) and her centre stage in ME3....ME1 gave us a choice in what kind of relationship we wished to develop with squad mates....yes it had it's Ninjamance issues....but we were still able to define our relationships on a non romantic level with our Squad Mates....that all went out the window in ME2 come Liara....my import through games Shep did not have a good friendship with Liara....he accused her of being a Stalker, etc... in ME1

ME2 (post LotSB) they hug.... and are suddenly besties?.......LotSB more besties BS?........All Shep could do was keep her off the Normandy....Quote: 'Let's keep this Professional"

ME3 comes the breathie "Liara" on meeting....If I heard my hubby talk to another woman like that he would be in for a very unpleasent experience.....From there on in it's just pure 'Love In' with Liara...and for gods sake if you have a single Shep....DO NOT TALK TO AETHYTA!!!.........and avoid all dialog at all costs with Liara.

The sad part is, I used to actually like Liara until I was forced to love her....when I had actual choices with her.

What about the forced friendship with Garrus? Why was my Shepard happy to see him again? AUTODIALOUGE. Yeah, Liara is forced.

COMPLAIN

Yes, Garrus is forced too....though if you dislike the force that much you do have the option of offing him in ME2...he isn't essential to gaining Turian support, you don't actually need him as a maker/breaker in ME3....problem solved....Plus his not hovering around every bl**dy step my Shep takes on the Normandy.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 25 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

No, it's a back lash to the forced 'Love In' with Liara (ME2 and ME3) and her centre stage in ME3....ME1 gave us a choice in what kind of relationship we wished to develop with squad mates....yes it had it's Ninjamance issues....but we were still able to define our relationships on a non romantic level with our Squad Mates....that all went out the window in ME2 come Liara....my import through games Shep did not have a good friendship with Liara....he accused her of being a Stalker, etc... in ME1

ME2 (post LotSB) they hug.... and are suddenly besties?.......LotSB more besties BS?........All Shep could do was keep her off the Normandy....Quote: 'Let's keep this Professional"

ME3 comes the breathie "Liara" on meeting....If I heard my hubby talk to another woman like that he would be in for a very unpleasent experience.....From there on in it's just pure 'Love In' with Liara...and for gods sake if you have a single Shep....DO NOT TALK TO AETHYTA!!!.........and avoid all dialog at all costs with Liara.

The sad part is, I used to actually like Liara until I was forced to love her....when I had actual choices with her.

What about the forced friendship with Garrus? Why was my Shepard happy to see him again? AUTODIALOUGE. Yeah, Liara is forced.

COMPLAIN

Yes, Garrus is forced too....though if you dislike the force that much you do have the option of offing him in ME2...he isn't essential to gaining Turian support, you don't actually need him as a maker/breaker in ME3....problem solved....Plus his not hovering around every bl**dy step my Shep takes on the Normandy.

I want Garrus alive, but I don't want to have a ****ing bromance with him. It's almost like my Shepard and garrus are both gay together.

[StayFrosty05]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Yes, Garrus is forced too....though if you dislike the force that much you do have the option of offing him in ME2...he isn't essential to gaining Turian support, you don't actually need him as a maker/breaker in ME3....problem solved....Plus his not hovering around every bl**dy step my Shep takes on the Normandy.

I want Garrus alive, but I don't want to have a ****ing bromance with him. It's almost like my Shepard and garrus are both gay together.

Then you choose to take the Palavan's moon dialog friendship hit....you don't have to speak to him again once his on the Normandy though, he isn't going to follow you up to your room or breath down your neck....you have to go to him, he doesn't come to you....but you can still use him as a squaddie without the extra on board the Normandy tinsel.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 25 novembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

@The Sin and OP honestly... you want to spend your time on this... how about you enjoy the game you want to play by oh I don't know... not playing the DLC with Liara in... and not choosing her as a team mate or a love interest... for those of us who appreciate the continuity across three games and think that the lair of the shadow broker is a pretty decent chunk of dlc and story telling which lives up to the best that the ME as a story driven game has to offer... and like her as a character can carry on having her as part of our game...
Maybe the amount of hate and venom expended against the Liara character is a backlash to the fact that she is one of the most popular characters in ME...
So maybe you guys would do better running a thread about who you positively would like to see in dlc or in ME4...

LoTSB DLC is a good DLC for those who doesn't know a thing about Intelligence & Covert Organizations and the requirements for a person to lead such organizations and do that well. Having Liara become Shadow Broker is like having a university history research professor who knows a bit about martial arts immediately become the head of CIA / MI6 / Mossad. That does not happen. It is unpractical & doesn't make sense.  

If you want the best DLC in Mass Effect so far, try Overlord. It is an actual downloadble content, meaning you have an option to buy it or not buy it. It is also not a cut game content made DLC. Overlord also approaches core themes of Mass Effect, science and science fiction in an engaging, emotional and thoughtful manner. Themes in Overlord : Interaction of organics and synthetics, how far can they go ? Virtual reality ; How far should scientific research be taken ? What makes a research ethical or not ? Does relationships such as family ties matter in pursuit of science ? Do we treat research subjects differently because they are different from normal people (autistic) ? These are valid  explorable themes befitting what a sci-fi game should be about/  It also approaches some real world aspects of research like the time contstraint, probability of failure really well. & the ending of Overlord is very emotional and touching. That is a DLC worthy of being in a sci-fi game

What did we get in LoTSB ? A scientist who stopped becoming a scientist / researcher and turned into an incompetent information broker (bugged office, traitorous assitant) because her lover / friend died and her pursuit of rescuing another friend she is not even sure if he is alive or not . Did we really get into why Liara switched jobs ? & a dramatic switch at that ? No. She is suddenly an information broker. What was wrong with her being Prothean Scientist ? At least we could have her in ME2 working on some big Prothean research & Shepard has to help her gather data from remote worlds. That would have provided a good foundation for the Crucible plans and the discovery of Javik on Eden Prime in ME3.

I loved Liara in ME1. She was nerdy, geeky & viewed Shepard as both a curiosity (she hadn't met many humans + Cipher) & love. She was actually helpful at the right moment in ME1 with Ilos. I just don't like what she became. & the fact that she has more character development in ME3 versus other characters disappoints me. 

I am not being hateful or venomous. I am pointing out the faults in Liara's character arc and development which is really massive. I am pointing out why she does not fit her intended role in ME3. As for future DLC ideas, this thread is a future DLC idea. I wouldn't mind sacrificing Liara for some greater good or sending her to work with Hackett. I don't see any reason for her to be with Shepard in ME3. The only real thing I see her doing is some tiny work on Crucible via some of the logs on her computer which further supports my theory that she should be sent to work on the Crucible as a war asset. Samara is more competent warrior & biotic than her, Miranda is a competent biotic and tech specalist & she have experience as Shepard's XO. As for Javik's discovery, Shepard has the Cipher and could understand Prothean language, recordings. No need for Liara to be actually there. 

[Dragon_Claw]

[MassStorm]

Hate is not going to give you anything OP

[Aurora313]

YES! By holy heaven, yes!

She's have FAR too much attention in the extended material and her status as writer's pet on furthers my passionate dislike for her character.

[Descy_]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes. A million times yes.

[Barquiel]

It's pretty laughable that they closed the whole character/romance forum because "there is entirely too much fighting, rule breakage and petty bickering"...while at the same time the OP creates a new "I want to kill Liara" thread every two weeks in the story forum.

[Zazzerka]

Arcian wrote...

Death to Liara! Death to T'Soni!

But not Ali Hillis. She is cool beans.

I agree with half of what you just said.

[Zazzerka]

Dat eyebrow raise indeed.

OP just hasn't embraced eternity yet.

[Dragon_Claw]

Haters gonna hate...


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