And, sometimes the sound effects get annoying, but that usually only starts to wear on me if we get to wave 10 or something and I've had to sit by them and hear it all match.
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Why Biotic and Electric Slash NEED Re-working
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#126
Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:43
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Really, the only problem is when you have Slayers and Shadows spamming the Slashes, if standing anywhere near them and going ADS or into scope (for sniping), your screen starts shaking so violently from the Slashes you can't even see where you're aiming (not to mention if the path of the Slashes goes obscures your view). Rather frustrating when you're trying to go through Cloak cycles with a Widow or Valiant.
And, sometimes the sound effects get annoying, but that usually only starts to wear on me if we get to wave 10 or something and I've had to sit by them and hear it all match.
And, sometimes the sound effects get annoying, but that usually only starts to wear on me if we get to wave 10 or something and I've had to sit by them and hear it all match.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:56
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I agree. Any power can be spammed. Guns are spammed by their nature. The powers are balanced by weight and cooldown and having a very long animation. If you're in the open don't count on it saving you when there are pyros or marauders or hunters right in front of you. With insta-casting powers you can fire and run doing at least something. It requires precise timing or you are down a lot.Homey C-Dawg wrote...
Biotic and electric slash do NOT need to be reworked just because people spam them in farming games.
In fact, let's cut to the chase: make every power have the exact same cooldown of 5 no make it 10 seconds so everyone cannot spam anything reave, stasis, warp, GRENADES, etc. Let's make all guns have exactly the same DPS fair is fair right everything must be balanced.
(BTW the last paragraph is sarcasm for those that don't get it.)
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#128
Posté 11 août 2012 - 02:03
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Play the game how you want to play it and shut up about about how other people go about their business. If someone wants to spam ES...who cares?. So long as it helps the team, im all for it. I swear, these threads of pointless complaining are so stupid, and pointless. Just because its not a method you would use, you think Bioware should "readjust" it?. Get over yourself. This board is so filled with threads about non issues it isn't even funny.
#129
Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:30
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It's utterly impossible for someone camping behind a cover/wall to outscore a decent player who don't. Simple reason: Good players can seek the enemy out and destroy most of them before they ever come close to the capming spot. If you got outscored, you were just waiting around for easy kills yourself. So what's worse, spamming ES, spammining other tech/biotics, spamming TX/fire, spamming grabs or just spamming the fire button? Are any of these really better than the other? No. Any character, including the ES/BS users should easily take down any enemy much quicker by using their abilities properly rather than spamming something through walls. Stop whining.MrFuddyDuddy wrote...
They realy should at least give it a more engthy cast delay, had a game where a Shadow did nothing but spammed ES all game and had first place by a good 20k. While the score doesn't really bother me its the simple fact how easy it was for this guy to dominate by just standing behindd a wall al game and pressing one button
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:37
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LOL I don't care. I don't see this outside of farming matches in FBW/FBG.
It's not a real problem if you ask me.
It's not a real problem if you ask me.
#131
Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:42
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it's so map specific. you bring a shadow to Rio - Reaper run and tell me if it's even possible to do this wall slashing abuse.
Every class has a map where each build shines.
Every class has a map where each build shines.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:02
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Strict31 wrote...
infithehuman wrote...
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Longer cool-down, and no wall penetration would completely fix the massive amount of abuse this has been getting. The other two powers for Shadow and Slayer even out well. They are both really fun classes to play without even having the Slash. I use the slash only for crowd control if I'm in a fix. I would much rather cut somebody head off with a flaming sword or pop some heads, but thats just me, and Im sure my opinion doesnt count haha
Really BAD idea. Slayer already sucks. (well except for those who spam...)The PD is useless, charge not that viable on gold, squishy, the animation takes too long so charge + slash not an option, no DR for heavy melee...
So NO. Already the slayer feels like a shadow who failed the N7 course....
I used to think the Slayer sucked.
Then, I changed my perspective to come at the character a little differently. Sorta like what I did with the Vorcha. I thought he sucked as well until I simply started playing him in a different manner than I did other classes.
That Phase Disruptor can be beast if you use it correctly. Requires some accuracy and a little bit of timing, but it reliably staggers most enemies. And if you pair up with a Geth Engineer or a Demolisher who can replenish your shields, you become even more deadly with the power.
His teleport dodge is extrememly useful when Charging, and he's the first Vanguard that I've felt realtively comfortable Charging Banshees. I throw a Talon onto the guy and put in work on enemies.
This guy^^ right here gets it. Thank you. I completely agree! And everyone says Phase disruptor is garbage, but I love it, It does great work at opening up an enemy for anything. My Shadows phase disruptor is at max, my biotic charge is at max, I have 3 tiers put into slash, and I have the passive tiers set for weapon damage and shields/health. I use a Falcon X with OmniBlade and extended barrel, and Hornet X with ULM and High velocity barrel to help with armor. I effectively have control at any range with this character when I use it. I only use the BS when someone has primed a target with biotics or for crowd control. I mean, honestly, this character is quick enough to get out of a tight spot when in close range battle.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:08
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infithehuman wrote...
Btw, Shadow not using shadow strike seems like a blasphmey...I mean you have Tactical cloak + shadow strike + a beautiful dodge. What is not to love. Shadow strike + dodge + shadow strike -> dead phantom. Dancing a tango with the phantom and getting the upper hand is a RUSH
^^This guy is right. especially a gold phantom. that sh*t has me jumping, its so intense. I like cloaking and heavy melee as well. Nothing like a good ol sword fight haha
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:14
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THIS is the CORE of the direction I didn't like ME2-3 taking. Spam powers all day long, when powers were supposed to be something special. Back in ME1 I had an Adept that had SPECIAL powers, he could insta-kill 3 enemies with a single throw, but that was a SPECIAL moment, and most of the time it was about shooting your gun anyway.
These slashes are just more annoying to you because they take so much screen space, but ALL the powers are spammed like that, you just don't notice them that much. This can only be fixed by going back to VERY LONG SEPERATE cooldowns, and 300% more empowered powers, but it won't happen. Suck it up?
^^SOMEONE ELSE WHO GETS IT.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:16
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Something definitely needs to be done when people go around playing the game they purchased however they feel like. If they're not going to stop themselves from having fun, I think it's BioWare's duty to do it for them.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:21
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And now we have John aiming for a triple post bump. John's had a tough time with this thread and he really needs this to keep it going. And here we go, can he do it? ...AND HE DOES! Incredible! A triple post bump! Fantastic form! The world celebrates this achievement!
If they nerf the cooldown then people can't use it reliably and the class disappears. The fact that it can be spammed is the only reason to use it. Phase Disruptor would be nice if it could set off explosions, but as it is it isn't viable on higher difficulties for most players because of the amount of skill required to use it effectively. The players you played with had no skill, you're right there, but that misses the point of the thing. It's a game, and they're not looking to challenge themselves. They want to get credits and unlock new stuff or finish off their manifests. Sorry you got bored, but I myself enjoy getting a guaranteed victory.
If they nerf the cooldown then people can't use it reliably and the class disappears. The fact that it can be spammed is the only reason to use it. Phase Disruptor would be nice if it could set off explosions, but as it is it isn't viable on higher difficulties for most players because of the amount of skill required to use it effectively. The players you played with had no skill, you're right there, but that misses the point of the thing. It's a game, and they're not looking to challenge themselves. They want to get credits and unlock new stuff or finish off their manifests. Sorry you got bored, but I myself enjoy getting a guaranteed victory.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:22
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Why is every video is see on this subject FBW. Go play U/U/P and you will get tore up with those classes. Your vid shows a hack objective so spamming slash makes sense if you have a garbage weapon which the pheaston is.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:22
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DnVill wrote...
JonnHatch wrote...
youtu.be/iGktId9bpy4
Seriously, I end up with people like this 8 OUT OF 10 MATCHES. Bioware, is this what you want out of your game? A button masher??
From what I can tell. He's a lot more useful in the team than you are... whining and crying about a skill.
I'm not crying:) And well, of course he is useful, otherise I couldnt have taken that video, jacka*s. I love how dumb some of you people are. "He's more useful than you because you are just sitting there, hater". I'M SITTING THERE BECAUSE I WAS RECORDING THAT GUY SPAMMING THAT POWER. UNLIKE HIM, I NEED BOTH HANDS TO PLAY.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:26
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I think the only rational, clear-headed thing to do here is for us to go over to OP's house and efficiently beat him senseless with 2 x 4's.
Maybe that would appeal to his "visual and technically minded" (ha ha) side.
You are cute! I'm sorry I offended you if thats you in the video pressing ONE BUTTON for 30 minutes. Wait, he DID pull the trigger for 1 second. On the other hand, I'll play to your 5th grade beatdown threat and say BRING it haha. If you saw me, you would reconsider.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:28
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You apparently are one of those guys that doesnt read the whole thread lol. I'm not farming. It was a random match. GTFO.WiqidBritt wrote...
you're complaining about someone spamming powers while farming?
isn't that the whole point of farming?
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:28
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You go to a mindless FBW corner of shame farming match, and then complain about mindless farmers lol. You think anyone with a shred of intelligence will take you seriously?
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#143
Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:33
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Well based on this thread I respeced my shadow to max out shadow strike ( 6/3/6/5/6 ) and I ended up on a farming run - you gotta be kidding me. I was able to cloak/ss run away sometimes, but also the darn cloak does not always allow you to be invisible to the Geth, lol. Got killed a bunch of times after I did a SS ( yes, had the fire power while cloaked + duration build ) in the early rounds, and ended up spamming the only level 3 ES for the most part.
So, those guys who you are complaining about are probably doing the best that they know how in order to help out.
The Shadow is a fun build to play on a normal mission, but you ought to realize that people on farming runs just want the credits mostly and are trying to help out.
On a side note, I actually like to use the farming runs to test out new builds/weapon set-ups because you are playing gold level enemies so you can see the damage, and you probably won't be a drain on the team.
So, those guys who you are complaining about are probably doing the best that they know how in order to help out.
The Shadow is a fun build to play on a normal mission, but you ought to realize that people on farming runs just want the credits mostly and are trying to help out.
On a side note, I actually like to use the farming runs to test out new builds/weapon set-ups because you are playing gold level enemies so you can see the damage, and you probably won't be a drain on the team.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:39
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Well based on this thread I respeced my shadow to max out shadow strike ( 6/3/6/5/6 ) and I ended up on a farming run - you gotta be kidding me. I was able to cloak/ss run away sometimes, but also the darn cloak does not always allow you to be invisible to the Geth, lol. Got killed a bunch of times after I did a SS ( yes, had the fire power while cloaked + duration build ) in the early rounds, and ended up spamming the only level 3 ES for the most part.
So, those guys who you are complaining about are probably doing the best that they know how in order to help out.
The Shadow is a fun build to play on a normal mission, but you ought to realize that people on farming runs just want the credits mostly and are trying to help out.
On a side note, I actually like to use the farming runs to test out new builds/weapon set-ups because you are playing gold level enemies so you can see the damage, and you probably won't be a drain on the team.
I understand you completely, and you have a valid point. Thats probably all this was for the lobby I joined, a farming run. AND, in their defense, they were all using a Phaeston. I hope in the future that they get more fun weapons to use with all the credits they are farming. I am fortunate enough to have every Ultra Rare at least Level 3, and I dont even farm. I just play alot. Still, when I play silvers, I encounter a large amount of BS/ES spammers. And when i say spammer, I mean 8+ uses of it in a row.
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:39
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ezrafetch wrote...
Really, the only problem is when you have Slayers and Shadows spamming the Slashes, if standing anywhere near them and going ADS or into scope (for sniping), your screen starts shaking so violently from the Slashes you can't even see where you're aiming (not to mention if the path of the Slashes goes obscures your view). Rather frustrating when you're trying to go through Cloak cycles with a Widow or Valiant.
And, sometimes the sound effects get annoying, but that usually only starts to wear on me if we get to wave 10 or something and I've had to sit by them and hear it all match.
This right here is the only reason that either Slash ability needs to be looked at.
I enjoy playing my Shadow and Slayer as much as the rest of you - and spamming those slashes through walls are part of the fun sometimes.
However, when I know I'm in a position where it'll really impede the shot placement of my fellow galactic-defenders due to WUBWUBing the living hell out of their screens - I won't use it. Even if I really, really want to. (I usually really, really want to.)
So, in all honesty.. I think they just need the ridiculous minor-earthquake effect removed from them. Should see monumentally less whining about them at that point. (Other than the "QQ They stole mah kills" rhetoric. That isn't going anywhere, sadly.)
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:41
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Who is the noob with the excellent vidoe capture skills?
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:42
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Anyway, I'm tired of everyone being p1ssed at me for expressing my opinion which is a valid complaint to anyone that enjoys the game, so I'm going to say ZOMG BIOTIC SLASH IS AWESOME AND SO IS ELECTRIC SLASH IM SO GLAD I GOT THIS GAME NOW I GET TO HIT RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB RB OVER AND OVER AND OVERRRRRRRR AND IT GOES THROUGH THE WALL AND HITS EVERY ENEMY ON THE MAP AND I CAN EAT A SANDWICH AND GET COOL HI SCORE YAY
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:42
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Pacificsharp09 wrote...
Who is the noob with the excellent vidoe capture skills?
Thats my cellphone jack@ss
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:44
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So yeah Biotic Slash is awesome everybody, I cant wait to go home and use it so much that I rupture a vessel because its so intense. And Im going to eat a sandwich at THE SAME TIME
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Posté 11 août 2012 - 03:54
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JonnHatch wrote...
So yeah Biotic Slash is awesome everybody, I cant wait to go home and use it so much that I rupture a vessel because its so intense. And Im going to eat a sandwich at THE SAME TIME
^ This guy gets it =D
