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[Paranoidal nemesis]

I was wondering if anyone could make the argurment that this game should be considered a sequel.  I'm don't want this to be misinterpreted as me bashing the game (Although I do have an almost fanatical dislike for this game), but I do think that some of the backlash could have been reduced if  the game didn't have the number 2 in the title. 

[Face of Evil]

I think this is a very wearisome and tedious topic of discussion that ultimately doesn't accomplish anything.

Yes, it's a sequel. Why try to make it out to be anything different than what it is? Are you simply running out of ideas for how to voice your displeasure?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 10 août 2012 - 07:27 .

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Face of Evil wrote...

I think this is a very wearisome and tedious topic of discussion that ultimately doesn't accomplish anything.

Yes, it's a sequel. No, you didn't like it. Jesus, why try to make it out to be anything different than what it is?

Perhaps you didn't read my post, but I asked for people to tell me why its a sequel, if you don't like the topic, don't post in the thread.

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Filament wrote...

Because the devs say it is.

And the devs are always right.

[Dave of Canada]

What makes something a spin-off rather than sequel?

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Filament wrote...

When it's about whether a game in their own IP is a sequel to a previous game in their own IP, yes.

I respect the developers, but I don't think the events of Origins have anything to do with the events of Dragon age 2.  There is no continuation of the story, and and it doesn't answer any of the questions Origins posed.  Yea the developers can call it whatever I want, but I think its a little misleading.

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Dave of Canada wrote...

What makes something a spin-off rather than sequel?

A Sequel
1. Something that follows; a continuation.2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.3. A result or consequence.

A Spin off
1. any product or development derived incidentally from the application of existing knowledge or enterprise
2.
(Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a book, film, or television
series derived from a similar successful book, film, or television
series

DA2 is derived from Origins, but its not a continuation of it. 

Modifié par Paranoidal nemesis, 10 août 2012 - 08:05 .

[jackofalltrades456]

*Shrugs* I always saw Dragon Age 2 like one of those awful direct-to-tv sequels you're always seeing from Disney.

I mean sure it's a fine game on it's own, but it's an awful sequel to Origins.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Filament wrote...

When it's about whether a game in their own IP is a sequel to a previous game in their own IP, yes.

^^This. 

The themes are still the same and devloped further in DA2. 

[Vox Draco]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

*Shrugs* I always saw Dragon Age 2 like one of those awful direct-to-tv sequels you're always seeing from Disney.

I mean sure it's a fine game on it's own, but it's an awful sequel to Origins.

Nice comparison. Really, with the less-epic scale of the story and the many reused materials DA2 really feels like a low-budget  direct to video sequel made only to squeeze out some more money (and having almost none of the initial cast in it, to keep the budget even lower...)

[hoorayforicecream]

So according to the OP, the Elder Scrolls games aren't sequels either. Good to know.

[whykikyouwhy]

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

A Sequel
1. Something that follows; a continuation.2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.3. A result or consequence.

A Spin off
1. any product or development derived incidentally from the application of existing knowledge or enterprise
2.
(Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a book, film, or television
series derived from a similar successful book, film, or television
series

DA2 is derived from Origins, but its not a continuation of it. 

DA2 is a continuation in the narrative of, and about, the Dragon Age universe, so it follows the definition you provided for a sequel. Sequels don't necessarily follow or center around characters, but can be (and have been) about the world/environment. 

[Cutlasskiwi]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

So according to the OP, the Elder Scrolls games aren't sequels either. Good to know.

And Fallout.

[Plaintiff]

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

Filament wrote...

When it's about whether a game in their own IP is a sequel to a previous game in their own IP, yes.

I respect the developers, but I don't think the events of Origins have anything to do with the events of Dragon age 2.  There is no continuation of the story, and and it doesn't answer any of the questions Origins posed.  Yea the developers can call it whatever I want, but I think its a little misleading.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade doesn't continue the story of Raiders of the Lost Ark, so it's not a real sequel either! And for that matter, Temple of Doom is also a spin-off because it's even less related to either of those! None of the Lethal Weapon movies are sequels to the first one because they all deal with different cases! None of the Grand Theft Auto, Fable, Fallout or Elder Scrolls games are real sequels either!

This is a nonsensical line of logic. Sequels are not subjective, you don't get to decide whether or not a game counts as a sequel based on personal feelings, the word "sequel" has an objective dictionary definition, that DA2 fits perfectly.

1. A published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.
2. Something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event.

Both of these definitions are appropriate for DA2. It takes place after the events of events of DA:O, and Hawke's arrival in Kirkwall occurs as a result of the events of DA:O, namely the Blight and the destruction of Lothering. It also develops themes that were present in DA:O, but were not necessarily the main focus, like the persecution of mages and the mysterious history of Thedas in general.

The developers have said, multiple times, that they are telling the story of Thedas, not the story of one particular character. DA2 is a continuation of the history of Thedas, so it is a sequel.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 11 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[Ozzy]

I know for sure that I would have been much more warm towards DA2 if it was marketed as a spinoff or something similar.

[Celtic man51]

To some.....
DA2 = Dragon age: Kirkwall Chronicles

Still its up to you if you think it is or isn't technically a sequel

[DPSSOC]

DA2 is a sequel. It's not a direct sequel where we follow the narrative and characters from one work to another, but it is a sequel. While I'll admit there's next to nothing connecting DA2 to DA:O aside from taking place in the same world, there is enough that connects them for me to consider DA2 a sequel. Really wish they'd called it something else since numbering, or just numbering I should say, a sequel implies a direct sequel (to me anyway) which this game is definitely not.

[Fortlowe]

Actually, I've been asking for a spin off for ages. A proper action adventure with light RPG elements in the vein of Assassin's Creed (set in Antiva) or Dead Space (set in the Fade).

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Dragon age 2 is a sequel, simply because it is called Dragon age 2.

[EricHVela]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dragon age 2 is a sequel, simply because it is called Dragon age 2.

The second Dragon Age was going to have the title: Dragon Age: Exodus. The evidence is within the game files.

Someone changed it to Dragon Age 2 very late in the development.

[Darth Death]

It should have been called Dragon Age, instead of DA2.