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[Cultist]

Would you like to see evil and\\or malicious companions in Dragon Age 3?
Not scoundrels or opportunists but cruel and ruthless party members like Edwin, Viconia, Bishop or One-Of-Many?
Dragon
Age 2, as well as DA:O got only "grey" companions. But would you like
to see someone who is actually evil? Like tevinter magister, who is not
repenting for owning slaves and abusing his power, blood mage, who wish
to butcher templars or consort with demons. Assassins without moral
code, reaver who fights just to spill more blood and defeat more foes?
We
got a lot of good and neutral ones, but not a single bad guy\\girl on
our side. the closest one to "evil companion" was Morrigan.

[Beerfish]

It is very very tough to write a proper evil character. The best out of the ones you mention for me was Bishop. A near perfectly written character.

[Eternal Phoenix]

It's not that tough. Presumably they wouldn't want to save the world to save innocents so just give them another goal for saving the world. Fame? Glory? Gold? Women? Men? Power? Authority? Anyone could serve as their driving force.

However chaotic evil characters would need to turn against the player after they see that he keeps doing good things. A chaotic evil character wouldn't want to be around a do-gooder. I can see a problem with a chaotic evil character who just wants to kill everything and everyone.

Lawful evil characters are much easier to implement as they would have a use for laws and wouldn't just be out to kill everyone and everything they come across.

Yes. I would like to see proper evil companions in Dragon Age 3. Ones that love murder and ones that strive for power. A tevinter magister blood mage would be a great companion to have.

[Rayndorn]

 I would find an   "evil"  companion really intresting - but it depends what you mean by that. If you mean a "Mwa ha ha, I want to fuel my magic with your blood and set people on fire", evil character, then.... probably not. What would they gain from assisting your character? But if you mean a "I like to kick dogs and be selfish" character, then maybe. They could have an "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude towards you. I'm thinking a mix of Morrigan and Jack from ME2.

[Windninja47]

Seeing as there isn't really a good/evil scale in dragon age it wouldn't make much sense. And besides, a truly evil character wouldn't want fame and fortune, he'd just want to watch the world burn. Also, in a game where you can't be evil, who would become good friends with a truly evil character?

[Rayndorn]

Windninja47 wrote...

Seeing as there isn't really a good/evil scale in dragon age it wouldn't make much sense. And besides, a truly evil character wouldn't want fame and fortune, he'd just want to watch the world burn. Also, in a game where you can't be evil, who would become good friends with a truly evil character?

  

You're correct in the morality of the game - even if you're a heartless jerk, your still led towards a heroic or neutral goal. Yet like I said before, there's no reason your companion could not be in an alliance of convenviance only with you.

Modifié par Hazasaurus98, 10 août 2012 - 09:26 .

[Face of Evil]

We could recruit Nyree from Dragon Age: Redemption. She was pretty evil.

[Winged Silver]

I think it would be an interesting experience to have 'evil' companions be able to join your squad. But if that is the direction Bioware ends up going in, they ought to make sure it's more or less...optional (unless the evil player happens to be key to saving the world and that's why you have to drag them along). Having an evil companion would sort of remind me of Fallout 3's style...where certain companions were unlocked based on your karma level. I think it would be a fun concept, and would definitely feel more realistic to me anyways, if I could really dislike a character/companion. :happy:

[wowpwnslol]

Definitely. Evil companions add flair to the game.

In Baldur's Gate 2, Viconia was one of the most interesting characters ever made in a video game. Whether you romanced her or not, her dialogues were well written and added to the game's atmosphere.

[TheBlackAdder13]

the closest one to "evil companion" was Morrigan

I think Zevran was much more evil than Morrigan. Morrigan's about as gray as they come because she's so inscrutable, as of now in the series anyway. Zevran just hides it between jests and flirtations but he's pretty dangerous. In fact he fits your description of "an assassin without moral code" for an evil character.

Would I like to see someone even more evil than Zevran? Yes. It'd also be awesome if you could romance them. >

[YohkoOhno]

I find the evil route too cliched, and to be honest I don't think we should be encouraging people to role-play evil or nihilistic characters.

I think Bioware has actually improved their games by removing those extremes. I would like to see them further remove things like Paragon/Renegade from their games, and just make the choices more subtle.

I'm sure the metrics they've taken back up that they should aim for more heroic characters or at least avoid the psychotic "chaotic stupid" players want to play.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Windninja47 wrote...

Seeing as there isn't really a good/evil scale in dragon age it wouldn't make much sense. And besides, a truly evil character wouldn't want fame and fortune, he'd just want to watch the world burn.

There are more types of "evil" than muhahahahahaha wanting to destroy the world. As Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer once said: "truth is, I don't want him [Angel] to destroy the world. I like the world. It's full of happy meals on legs." Spike's certainly still an evil, bloodsucking vampire, but he doesn't want the world to end. 

I would imagine most humans/elves/dwarves/qunari are against destroying the world as that would adversely affect them. Other than the Darkspawn and demons in Thedas, all other forms of "evil" are self serving just like in real life. 




 

Also, in a game where you can't be evil, who would become good friends with a truly evil character?

Another evil NPC or evil PC? Or a PC with good, longterm goals and intentions but is really self serving and has something to gain from a friendship or romance with the evil character? The potential is endless! 

ETA: Who's to say you can't be evil in the next game? The main plot seems to be about the mage/templar war, so you can be working to be furthering the ends of either faction and still be evil. But we don't know enough about the plot yet to speculate. 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 11 août 2012 - 12:53 .

[Winged Silver]

If we are indeed meant to be a Seeker for the Chantry, the possibilities are endless! You could stick with the Chantry and help people, or you could defect and befriend blood mages! And who's to say those blood mages are necessarily evil? or maybe they are? > I think providing evil npcs and evil options for the pc are splendid ideas.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Why not?It'd make for some interesting Banter and in game Conflicts and decisions.

[Plaintiff]

And how do you determine which characters are the "evil" ones?

The hypothetical examples you listed sound like boring, shallow caricatures.

[Windninja47]

I just don't think it would make much sense story wise. A selfish companion would be fine, one like Isabella who is really only out for herself. But my definition of evil must be different than yours. If you are thinking of having a serial killer companion then as I said- wouldn't make much sense. A character that does mean things though, that's fine (and we've really already had quite a few companions like that.)

[CuriousArtemis]

Not really, unless the character seems nice and then "betrays" the party at a crucial plot point. That could be interesting and shocking! But generally speaking, I that the PC and his/her companions are all friends and "in this together."

[CELL55]

If done right, it could be very interesting.

[wsandista]

Yes. Someone like Bishop would be excellent in DA.

[Cultist]

I never mentoned evil for evil sake. Edwin wanted power above all, Bishop was a killer that was forced to serve you, One-Of-Many simply hungered, HK-47 was a droid and hated living creatures, Viconia used to think in drow categories and just don't care for somewone's sufferings. Every "Evil" characher could be motivated to join your Hero. Tevinter magister - to gain power or exact vengerance, Blood Mage - to keep away from templars, Demons - well, just to have fun in the world along with you.
AD&D got horrible concept of alignment, where you were forced to be Caotic Evil, for example, with everyone. You couldn't be merciless to Templars, while being friendly to mages - Alignment forced you to be an ultimate ****. Dragon Age seting, luckily, have no such limitations and you can ally with murderous Blood Mage, who can kill every Chantry sister and templar but readily sacrifice him\\herself to save fellow mages.

Modifié par Cultist, 11 août 2012 - 06:08 .

[Allan Schumacher]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Definitely. Evil companions add flair to the game.

In Baldur's Gate 2, Viconia was one of the most interesting characters ever made in a video game. Whether you romanced her or not, her dialogues were well written and added to the game's atmosphere.

I'd wager that Viconia is hardly an evil character at all, regardless of what her alignment says.

[Gibb_Shepard]

No. Idiotic concepts such as "good" and "evil" should be left at the door.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The problem with evil is that it often turns out as idiotic. It is as if something is amputated from their brain. Evil characters can be interesting when they are pragmatic for an example. As long as they are consistent they can be interesting. Example: ME3's Javik turned out to be more interesting than I thought. He is a product of his empire, born during the reaper war, and represents their doctrine. He is rather consistent in that role. He would not be viewed as evil there, but he sure raises some eyebrows in Shepard's cycle.

[Sylvanpyxie]

Assassins without moral code

We've already had this one.

Bishop

Bishop wasn't all that evil, tbh, despite what his alignment says. He's just self serving, and he respects strength more than anything.

Would he help a load of random strangers if they were about to be eaten by Bugbears? Probably not. But he wouldn't go around slaughtering innocent people at random.

He just doesn't want to save people that refuse to save themselves, it's one of the reasons he respects the Player in NwN2, when the Githyanki attacked the townsfolk fought them back.

If this is the kind of "evil" that you're asking for, then sure. More self serving ego-maniacs would be cool. If you're asking for Xzar level crazy evil, then no thanks.

Edit: Also since you've listed One of Many and Bishop along with Edwin and Viconia, i should probably point out that One of Many and Bishop were not written by Bioware.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 11 août 2012 - 10:40 .