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[Dendio1]

The Tenken wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The Tenken wrote...

i really dont get the point of the nerfs to these abilities. I dont know too much about the shadow but as for the slayer i find it to be a fairly weak class besides slash spam and melee invincible fram usage so i would expect to be compensated. Imo is very hard and just plain ole no fun being a vanguard on plat.

Side note: why the need for nerfs... this isnt a competitive game. Is it becuase people feel they are being robbed of fun buy people who they think aren't working as hard. I see no other reason for it May game isnt ruined by kids GI's and slash spammers... i still get my points and my xp so i can get weapons/gear to use when playing with friends. Imo i rather slash spammers then kids running around out of cover and dying every five seconds but thats just me and i have been known to be a little weird lol

The way I see it nerfs/buffs happen to encourage the community to try different playstyles and to keep the game at its intended difficulty level.

good reply but all i seem to see is nerfs.Bioware should buff some classes so people have other options. I would love to be able to clear plat with a normal human soldier or drellguard or haman inflitrator without wanting to break my game in half. Instead of killing class/abilities to move people away. I would think buffing other classes/abilities would work just as well because we all know there are too many irrelavent classes/abilities/weapons when it comes to platinum 

Some classes could definately use a few buffs. There seems to be a power climb with the new classes and weapons, while the older assests remain untouched or only slightly buffed for the most part

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[Cyonan]

 I'm just going to throw this out here, because I can:

The DPS of Electric Slash(No Cloak): 450.44
The DPS of Biotic Slash: 527.11
The DPS of Smash: 433.45
The DPS of my Avenger X: 559.68

Our course of action is clear: We must nerf the Avenger.

Modifié par Cyonan, 11 août 2012 - 04:15 .

[rtbh99]

ahhh delicious slash babby tears

[AresKeith]

Cyonan wrote...

 I'm just going to throw this out here, because I can:

The DPS of Electric Slash(No Cloak): 450.44
The DPS of Biotic Slash: 527.11
The DPS of Smash: 433.45
The DPS of my Avenger X: 559.68

Our course of action is clear: We must nerf the Avenger.

yes its stronger than the GPR, nerf it lol

[retic]

Cyonan wrote...

 I'm just going to throw this out here, because I can:

The DPS of Electric Slash(No Cloak): 450.44
The DPS of Biotic Slash: 527.11
The DPS of Smash: 433.45
The DPS of my Avenger X: 559.68

Our course of action is clear: We must nerf the Avenger.

You sir...are my champion for the day. 

If bioware does nerf things based on threads like this, I'd be disappointed. I just cant stand incompetent and entitled whiners who demmand things that harm the legit player who aims to get better, not wish for the game to be easier. 

[Dendio1]

rtbh99 wrote...

ahhh delicious slash babby tears

Dat Screen Shake

[kitty209]

personally i say the slash is ok the way it is, yes it may be a bit strong, but you have to leave cover and do a long animation that actually move you and put you in danger, and the long time between the start of the animation untill the slash actually starting make it difficult to aim and hard to use on fast enemies like banshees or phantoms and half useless vs armor making it mostly effective on the smaller enemies, so leave the electrical slash as it is, if you really want to nerf it, make it faster to initiate, like, heavy melee animation so it wont move you around too much.

[retic]

kitty209 wrote...

personally i say the slash is ok the way it is, yes it may be a bit strong, but you have to leave cover and do a long animation that actually move you and put you in danger, and the long time between the start of the animation untill the slash actually starting make it difficult to aim and hard to use on fast enemies like banshees or phantoms and half useless vs armor making it mostly effective on the smaller enemies, so leave the electrical slash as it is, if you really want to nerf it, make it faster to initiate, like, heavy melee animation so it wont move you around too much.

Yep. And yeah....for all its dps capabilities, i felt that i have survived (and dealt more damage) more plat waves with my krogan soldier than with my slayer or shadow spamming slashes.

[xtorma]

death_for_sale wrote...

Dream-Maker wrote...

Your numbers still don't take into account the specificities this moves have other than DPS except range and the number of hittable targets. No mention of vertical orientation, roll cancellability, smash being way safer to use than the slashes in the open (even more so for shockwave).

They don't factor the impact of priming/detonating effects and force either. Therefore the analysis is still incomplete/biaised IMO.

As I said I'm not against an adjustment in cooldown to match smash's cooldown but the advantages smash has over these powers are way overlooked. Also shockwave is meant to be a crowd controle and biotic combo move rather than a damage one, it's also spammable as hell compared to any of these. Still could use a small buff though.

The vertical orientation is not a hindrance, smash has a small DR component which is why it is safer in the open (again, not part of this discussion). Priming, detonating, and force are not an issue here. It is spammable behind walls and reaches much further than Smash.

I will have to disagree with the statement that orientation isn't a hinderance. Anything that limits a power's effectivness should be factored into the analysis. That also includes priming and detonating. You have to consider the power as a whole , and not pick apart pieces of it.

[valium]

does biotic slash detonate biotic explosions?

[Rebel_Raven]

death_for_sale wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I linked one video, there were two slash classes in two different spots. They were actually in two of the worst spots.

If you think that you can't use the ability safely behind a wall, you aren't doing it right.

You don't aim slashes up or down, they have a vertical component only.

You can only aim slashes horizontally. They don't go up, or down, unlike other powers of a similar nature.

You're still denying pros and cons of the ability that balance it out vs other abilities which still shows incredible bias, and faulty testings, which is nothing new to your attempts to nerf things, honestly.

You're also ignoring the rest of the class, and classes which help determine balance, too.

I'm asking you back up your findings personally, and show them. You've already messed up several times in your presentings.

Slash has an innate vertical component, but unlike Smash it cannot go below or very high above the horizontal plane. I've never claimed different. On the other hand it goes further than any other similar skill in the game and does more damage as it reaches it's end.

I messed up once on this due to information that I did not have. I've shown no bias towards or against anything.

Xtorma has a point. You can't just look at one facet of a power.

The fact that you don't look beyond the numbers is a clear show of bias against the ability. There's a lot that makes something balanced, and it's not just raw power.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

Threads like this is why This game gets less and less players everyday.

Modifié par shooterking07, 11 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[Rebel_Raven]

shooterking07 wrote...

Threads like this is why I stop playing this game.

Threads like this are killing the forum.

[Immortal Strife]

This thread is entertaining.

I personally like SS and ES on the shadow but you can't really have both without gimping their damage-which is what I do btw. I'd also like to point out how many player are willing to spec out of shadow strike to spam a power through a wall-sounds way too boring and I would never do it.

On to the Slayer who is a mess if you ask me and IMO is easily the worst of the new characters. He has low health with barrier draining skills, dash & Phase Disruptor. His melee is good but you have to sacrifice even more health to make it so.

To be honest there are about 5 other things I would nerf before even batting an eyelash towards the slash abilities. Op, your thread is premature and maybe you should look elsewhere for balance changes.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 août 2012 - 04:59 .

[AresKeith]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

shooterking07 wrote...

Threads like this is why I stop playing this game.

Threads like this are killing the forum.

It use to be about Character builds, DLC ideas, people showing off their characters, etc. Now its all nerf this, nerf that, buff this, Balance

[xtorma]

death_for_sale wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

 I'm just going to throw this out here, because I can:

The DPS of Electric Slash(No Cloak): 450.44
The DPS of Biotic Slash: 527.11
The DPS of Smash: 433.45
The DPS of my Avenger X: 559.68

Our course of action is clear: We must nerf the Avenger.

Your avenger doesn't go through walls and requires at least some sort of aim. It also does not have innate bonuses to damage without mods.

But your analysis only considers dps.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Buff Smash and Shockwave.

Seriously, go try Novaguarding a Banshee RIGHT THE HELL NOW.

[inappropriate comment removed. User banned.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 11 août 2012 - 10:36 .

[xtorma]

Sorry huge screw up

Modifié par xtorma, 11 août 2012 - 04:59 .

[ripper000]

waka.

[Father_Jerusalem]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Buff Smash and Shockwave.

Also, kill yourself.

Too far. Reported.

[AresKeith]

xtorma wrote...


Sorry huge screw up

its a good thing the page is like that now, because its quieter at this time lol

Modifié par AresKeith, 11 août 2012 - 05:02 .

[its THAT guy]

You know the funny thing is, no matter how much the majority of the community doesn't want it, this thread will most likely get the attention of BW balancers simply because of how long it is and gives credibility to the OP's intent to nerf. Doesn't matter how much you all argue against it, the more attention you give to him and his thread, the more likely the powers will be nerfed.

Reminds me of a 54+ page thread on the Piranha...

[xtorma]

its THAT guy wrote...

You know the funny thing is, no matter how much the majority of the community doesn't want it, this thread will most likely get the attention of BW balancers simply because of how long it is and gives credibility to the OP's intent to nerf. Doesn't matter how much you all argue against it, the more attention you give to him and his thread, the more likely the powers will be nerfed.

Reminds me of a 54+ page thread on the Piranha...

I hope they do look at it.