AresKeith wrote...
this isn't about it being op is it?
Are they getting higher scores than you?
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Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
You can only aim slashes horizontally. They don't go up, or down, unlike other powers of a similar nature.death_for_sale wrote...
I linked one video, there were two slash classes in two different spots. They were actually in two of the worst spots.
If you think that you can't use the ability safely behind a wall, you aren't doing it right.
You don't aim slashes up or down, they have a vertical component only.
You're still denying pros and cons of the ability that balance it out vs other abilities which still shows incredible bias, and faulty testings, which is nothing new to your attempts to nerf things, honestly.
You're also ignoring the rest of the class, and classes which help determine balance, too.
I'm asking you back up your findings personally, and show them. You've already messed up several times in your presentings.
Slash has an innate vertical component, but unlike Smash it cannot go below or very high above the horizontal plane. I've never claimed different. On the other hand it goes further than any other similar skill in the game and does more damage as it reaches it's end.
I messed up once on this due to information that I did not have. I've shown no bias towards or against anything.
Xtorma has a point. You can't just look at one facet of a power.
The fact that you don't look beyond the numbers is a clear show of bias against the ability. There's a lot that makes something balanced, and it's not just raw power.
Modifié par death_for_sale, 11 août 2012 - 05:19 .
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Vanguard back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
AresKeith wrote...
xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...
Re-buff smash, balance achieved.
You want a cookie or something?
this
and there's nothing wrong with the slash
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Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Vanguard back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
death_for_sale wrote...Smash was considered overpowered even though it does less damage, has less range, and is slower than the Slashes.
death_for_sale wrote...
I am looking at a situation where I, as well as many others, have seen an influx of Slash users since the Smash balance change. They generally all do the same thing, which is to spam Slashes through a wall for 90% of the match. It is a technique which requires no skill because it is overpowered, just as spamming Smash pre-balance took no skill.
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TeamLexana wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Vanguard back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yup, don't even bother if you're gonna be so cheesy about it, lol.
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well by the midway point that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
Your entire argument is weak. I'm not wasting energy on someone who puts in crap effort into proving a point, and refuses to listen to anyone.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
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Rebel_Raven wrote...
Your entire argument is weak. I'm not wasting energy on someone who puts in crap effort into proving a point, and refuses to listen to anyone.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
death_for_sale wrote...
TeamLexana wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Vanguard back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yup, don't even bother if you're gonna be so cheesy about it, lol.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to use any gear or anything, nobody ever uses that. I should have skipped all damage evos and only used slash once per wave to make it more accurate.
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AresKeith wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well by the midway point that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
so is this about your level 11 Vanguard playing with level 20's?
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Modifié par death_for_sale, 11 août 2012 - 05:37 .
Diffirence between you'n me? I'm not trying to change the game via skewed data.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Your entire argument is weak. I'm not wasting energy on someone who puts in crap effort into proving a point, and refuses to listen to anyone.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
Pot...Kettle...Black
Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 août 2012 - 05:44 .
Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 août 2012 - 05:46 .
death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
Guest_death_for_sale_*
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Diffirence between you'n me? I'm not trying to change the game via skewed data.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Your entire argument is weak. I'm not wasting energy on someone who puts in crap effort into proving a point, and refuses to listen to anyone.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
Pot...Kettle...Black
Further, I'm not in such a hurry that I'd post incorrect data. If you didn't have the data, you weren't thorough enough.
If I did present information to nerf, or balance something I'd be willing to listen to the detractors, and the supporters alike.
I certainly wouldn't try to screw the data, be narrow minded about my tests, only look at one facet of something as opposed to the larger picture.
Your methods are incredibly flawed, and I'm not the only one to call you on it.
death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Diffirence between you'n me? I'm not trying to change the game via skewed data.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Your entire argument is weak. I'm not wasting energy on someone who puts in crap effort into proving a point, and refuses to listen to anyone.death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
Pot...Kettle...Black
Further, I'm not in such a hurry that I'd post incorrect data. If you didn't have the data, you weren't thorough enough.
If I did present information to nerf, or balance something I'd be willing to listen to the detractors, and the supporters alike.
I certainly wouldn't try to screw the data, be narrow minded about my tests, only look at one facet of something as opposed to the larger picture.
Your methods are incredibly flawed, and I'm not the only one to call you on it.
I waited 3 days to post the data. I figured by that time someone would have pointed out flaws in the math in the balance group. I am willing to listen to the detractors if they can provide a logical argument, which so far they haven't.
The closest anyone has come to providing a logical argument is to point out that smash can go above and below the horizontal plane, that you may want to factor in combinations, and to point out class synergy.
I agreed with the first argument, but pointed out the disparity in distance, which is huge.
As far as combinations, what got smash balanced was not BE's or tech bursts, but the fact that it could be spammed through walls for huge stacking damage. Yes, you can get combos with Smash, but you can do the same with Slash.
As far as class synergy, both classes have a combo that requires good skills and tactics to use. They also have Slash, which requires neither. PA/PV have even less flexibilty, yet one skill was OP and needed to be balanced. No similar class has either a OHK combo or a charge and huge DR melee spam. The only similar class would be a Human Vanguard with Nova and as I've shown, Shockwave is nowhere close to the damage of Slash.
This is correct. Using elite gear isn't reflective of the majority of players, I'm sure. It skews results, and stacks favor in the corner of the OP.joker_jack wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.
Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.
*Yawn* Way to stack the deck in favor of your arguments. So predictable. Your bias knows no bounds.
Yeah, my poor level 11 stacked that deck alright. It's ok though, i'm sure I got carried.
PS. Your rebuttal is weak
With this setup any powerbase can be made to seem op. You elitist antics don't change the fact. You need to do an average joe test baseline. A majority of player you forget don't take gear.
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