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Biotic and Electric Slash Balance needed or buff Shockwave/Smash


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Ok, I figured I would level my Slayer back up to make a video. I wasn't planning on taking a video at Level 11, but I was doing so well that I figured I would for the heck of it. The link will be in the OP but it will take a while to upload.

Just for information, max damage selected across the board, Commando V, Power Amp III. I sure hope those level 20's I was with carried me since Slash isn't OP or anything.


Maybe I'm missing something, but for most classes isn't level 11 the Return of the Jedi Deathstar point: you're still missing some systems, but you're fully operational?


He could certainly max Biotic Slash and the Slayer's passive power evolutions with a level 11.


I did not have Evo 5 selected in passive. I was not planning on recording until the class was leveled to 20 but it was doing rather well so I popped on the recorder.

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death_for_sale wrote...

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:( Jealous, your actually getting "some" people debating this in your thread. My thread of a similar nature was just hit up by close to 95% trollers
My main gripe with slash is that it is highly effective versus everything except large units AND it has a VERY large area of affect.

So does Reave, you should go post how it's Op.:wizard:


Reave doesn't go through walls and stacks only 3 times. It's per second damage is not that high, even with 3 stacks.


I don't think Reave is op nor do I think the slashes are op, but please continue your crusade and ignore the real op stuff that is present in most lobbies.:whistle:

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 août 2012 - 06:47 .


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death_for_sale wrote...

I did do most of the testing myself. I presented it for review and then posted it here. As soon as I was advised that I had made an error, I recalculated everything and posted the new information. I was on a gold pub, none of the people there knew anything I planned and my mic is not working.

Gear is incredibly easy to get, especially consumables in JEP's.

*Looks at my manifest. Doesn't have a great deal of gear at the level you use, nevermind the gear you use.*
I buy JEPs, too. Your point falls flat. It's RANDOM. It's neither easy, or hard to get, it's random. You cannot use it as an excuse. Gear also comes in pretty much every pack at random.

Further people buy packs other than JEP to get better weapons, and characters even still. The point that "they're easy to get" will never float, IMO, and the fact you refuse to aknowledge that random can kick some people in the tender bits while gifting others, well, it just proves you refuse to listen to people.

The fact that you won't do an average joe test is yet another nail in the coffin. Not everyone plays at full gear, and high level consuemables all the time.

If you did testing on your own, you failed miserably in your rush to try and get something nerfed. You posted a faulty findings for review, and then used them in an act of self satisfaction.

You're still not accounting for everything as others have pointed out.

The fact that you won't take anything but DPS into account says volumes about the validity of your claims.

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Screenshaking for eweryone has to go.
Through walls ability has to go, or at least need severe damage reduction


1. yes

2. Would neuter the classes.

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Well, who the hell would play like OP is suggesting anyways, not me. I can only see farmers and scrubs trying that lame set-up. 


Oh, I agree completely.  I'll admit, sometimes I've spammed ESlash because there was no way to SS without getting ganked, and there was that one time on Condor where the game glitched and I couldn't see anything of the enemy except for the clouds left by smoke grenades, but max damage SS and duration-speced TC are just so much more fun.

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I'd like to remind everyone why elitist bs like is dangerous and that bioware does listen the forums. We go back to the sabotage nerf. There is a video that surfaced at this time of 4 fqi's that went into fbwgg and only used sabotage never firing a single shot save a missile at the end the wave to finish the last enemy. Shortly after the fqi got the nerf stick to the side of the head.

Alot of the piranha videos can be called suspect. Compare the rate you damage an atlas on bronze/silver to that on gold/platinum. Damage in these vids more closely resembles that on bronze/silver, among other abnormality. Point being a clever enough person can edit the vid to a certain point of view vs what actually happened.

Also there is an unintended side effect of the 10% shield gate reduction. It's Dutch door action, meaning the gate reduction works both ways. People have been doing more dying which has lead to a good amount of people not using medigel as they figure if they are dying this much, gel isn't worth wasting. Saw the same sort of side effect wth the tc nerf. Alot of infiltrators that spec for damage will refuse to rez. Though to be fair it doesn't matter cloak or not since you'll be brought out of cloak after a rez if tc doesn't glitch 1st. 

There is a vocal minority that is louder than the rest that doesn't represent the whole of the community. These threads are written as though they are voicing a thought as a whole rather than a one. I will say this now till the day this mp closes, The average player doesn't give a damn if a handful of player can solo high difficulties or have high knowledge of the game. Those of us who have played since me1 have that. Those just picking up me3 as their 1st experience are seeing the game change rapidly in a way that is restricting their enjoyment.

Speaking as a fan of this phenomenal series, it's saddening that we've become another CoD style community. You have a small sect of player that they believe they know everything about the game and thus if you don't believe what they believe then your not good enough to play, even if your equal in skill with these idiots. There is no changing the minds of the elitist. It's either their way or the high way.

This is not about entitlement either as alot of you so called god player tend to through around to label the rest of us. It's about being being able to play a game without having some twit dictate how to play. Death you've already shown us how much of an elitist you are by this very thread. You do realize there isn't going to balance until the glitches are fixed (some caused by the balance changes). I'll sign off for now with this thought, The game doesn't belong to you, me the other elitist or other players. Bioware owns this and we simply get to play in this great universe. You don't like it, go play another fps. You don't like what me or the other players fed up with the elitist bs are saying, well too bad, I can tell you there are plenty more verbal pipe bombs were this came from.

Modifié par joker_jack, 11 août 2012 - 07:27 .


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S9ilent wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

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:( Jealous, your actually getting "some" people debating this in your thread. My thread of a similar nature was just hit up by close to 95% trollers

My main gripe with slash is that it is highly effective versus everything except large units AND it has a VERY large area of affect.


So does Reave, you should go post how it's Op.:wizard:


Reave is not highly effective vs everything. It takes reave a LONG time to kill anything that is protected (by shields), and reave has inferior incapacitating affects.
Electric slash will drop the defenses of any non-large unit in at most two hits (I do not know if it works any better now that the gold shield gate is < 100%, I might try that later)


Two things.

1. Electric Slash is crap vs armor, like everything else in the N7 Shadow's skillset. So your implication that it is highly effective vs everything is misplaced.

2. Powers are not, and have never been affected by the shield gate

Quit making posts about game mechanics you clearly don't understand. It makes you look incredibly ignorant.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 11 août 2012 - 06:54 .


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GO NERF YOURSELF

the game is rated M stupid kid go play call of duty dont waste my time

Modifié par hyperdimension neptunia, 11 août 2012 - 06:57 .


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Would be nice to see DfS crusade for important bug fixes, and buffing things he believes should be buffed with the sort of energy he's trying to destroy without worthwhile plans.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

Would be nice to see DfS crusade for important bug fixes, and buffing things he believes should be buffed with the sort of energy he's trying to destroy without worthwhile plans.


speaking of bugs, can Bioware please fix the Vanguard glitch that they claim they fixed but didn't, and buffs the Locast really needs one because the gun sucks on silver

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AresKeith wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Would be nice to see DfS crusade for important bug fixes, and buffing things he believes should be buffed with the sort of energy he's trying to destroy without worthwhile plans.


speaking of bugs, can Bioware please fix the Vanguard glitch that they claim they fixed but didn't, and buffs the Locast really needs one because the gun sucks on silver


Screw the Locust, buff the dam Black Widow and Javelin they are fricken Ultra Rare Snipers for god sake.

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Immortal Strife wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Would be nice to see DfS crusade for important bug fixes, and buffing things he believes should be buffed with the sort of energy he's trying to destroy without worthwhile plans.


speaking of bugs, can Bioware please fix the Vanguard glitch that they claim they fixed but didn't, and buffs the Locast really needs one because the gun sucks on silver


Screw the Locust, buff the dam Black Widow and Javelin they are fricken Ultra Rare Snipers for god sake.


This I support. Damn Javelin has big issues still with shield gate.  

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video is done uploading, no sound until it processes. I had 3 points in fitness so you will see me go down a couple of times.

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so glad i have actual friends to play with so i can avoid people like you.

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The video is rather flawed, in my opinion.

First off, it's Firebase White/Geth. Slash/Smash are great at farm setups. I don't believe that the game should be balanced around what farmers do, though. They're always going to find something that makes things a bit easier.

Secondly, it's a random game with pugs, so your score doesn't mean much. I've scored 122k on a Drellguard with a Katana(On Firebase Reactor/Cerberus), while second place was about 60k. Should we nerf that as well for being "OP"?

If you're just going off DPS numbers, then they suggest that all 3 abilities need a buff, since gun DPS annihilates them. I was being sarcastic, but I wasn't lying when I said that the Avenger has a higher single target DPS than any of those abilities(except ES in cloak), with just an Extended Barrel and +27.5% damage from Alliance Training. Guns also benefit even more from consumables than powers do. Of course, these abilities are all much better than my Avenger X, because theorycrafted numbers aren't everything =P

I played some games with both Vanguards tonight(all Random/Random/Gold). Neither of them could sit in one place and spam without being overrun quickly. Both of them got a decent number of Smashes or Slashes off anyway. Ex-Cerberus also had some BEs, while my Slayer had none(No other Biotics in the group).

Ex-Cerberus was also more risky, and I was running at critical health a lot more often than my Slayer due to the shortened range on Smash.

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Biotic and electric slash....overpowered?

LOL I WISH.

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video is done uploading, no sound until it processes. I had 3 points in fitness so you will see me go down a couple of times.


I watched the vid, big surprise-FBWGG. Balance should not be determined by how well you can farm with it. Please go play a platinum non farming/camping run without another biotic and report back.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 août 2012 - 07:30 .


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Whoops DP

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So you want a skill to be nerfed based on farming? Is this what you are trying to tell us in your video?

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Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.

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joker_jack wrote...

Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.


london/ reapers/ platinum with level 11 slayer/shadow, that would be funny to watch and see him fail

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joker_jack wrote...

I'd like to remind everyone why elitist bs like is dangerous and that bioware does listen the forums. We go back to the sabotage nerf. There is a video that surfaced at this time of 4 fqi's that went into fbwgg and only used sabotage never firing a single shot save a missile at the end the wave to finish the last enemy. Shortly after the fqi got the nerf stick to the side of the head.

Alot of the piranha videos can be called suspect. Compare the rate you damage an atlas on bronze/silver to that on gold/platinum. Damage in these vids more closely resembles that on bronze/silver, among other abnormality. Point being a clever enough person can edit the vid to a certain point of view vs what actually happened.

Also there is an unintended side effect of the 10% shield gate reduction. It's Dutch door action, meaning the gate reduction works both ways. People have been doing more dying which has lead to a good amount of people not using medigel as they figure if they are dying this much, gel isn't worth wasting. Saw the same sort of side effect wth the tc nerf. Alot of infiltrators that spec for damage will refuse to rez. Though to be fair it doesn't matter cloak or not since you'll be brought out of cloak after a rez if tc doesn't glitch 1st. 

There is a vocal minority that is louder than the rest that doesn't represent the whole of the community. These threads are written as though they are voicing a thought as a whole rather than a one. I will say this now till the day this mp closes, The average player doesn't give a damn if a handful of player can solo high difficulties or have high knowledge of the game. Those of us who have played since me1 have that. Those just picking up me3 as their 1st experience are seeing the game change rapidly in a way that is restricting their enjoyment.

Speaking as a fan of this phenomenal series, it's saddening that we've become another CoD style community. You have a small sect of player that they believe they know everything about the game and thus if you don't believe what they believe then your not good enough to play, even if your equal in skill with these idiots. There is no changing the minds of the elitist. It's either their way or the high way.

This is not about entitlement either as alot of you so called god player tend to through around to label the rest of us. It's about being being able to play a game without having some twit dictate how to play. Death you've already shown us how much of an elitist you are by this very thread. You do realize there isn't going to balance until the glitches are fixed (some caused by the balance changes). I'll sign off for now with this thought, The game doesn't belong to you, me the other elitist or other players. Bioware owns this and we simply get to play in this great universe. You don't like it, go play another fps. You don't like what me or the other players fed up with the elitist bs are saying, well too bad, I can tell you there are plenty more verbal pipe bombs were this came from.


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I really really hope bioware doesn't listen to incompetent players when they decide on "balancing" issues.

Forget the numbers and theorycraft. Log on to mass effect 3 and keep practicing/levelling up. Case in point; would you biotic/electric slash when you're surrounded and there are NO walls separating you and that horde of ravagers? If you answed no, you just proved that the slashes arent OP. if you answed yes, you either have a good teammate out there ready to set up a BE or TB or you're just incompetent because you WILL go down if you attempt a slash.

Modifié par retic, 11 août 2012 - 07:41 .


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I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run. I'm still convinced that the Slayer and Shadow get their butts handed to them on Platinum for the most part and really need a DPS weapon to post a good score. Exception being a cerb run with mad Phantom murders from being SSed.

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joker_jack wrote...

Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.


Easy enough to do, if you can persuade the team to camp in the LZ, behind the car.  Unfortunately, most prefer the 'common wisdom' and IMO less optimal spot of the balcony.

Death, if you need another Slayer to do a vid of Gold London Reapers using slash tactics, let me know.  Mine might be a bit OP, since he's level 20 now...Image IPB